As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

[Scribe]

well you keep saying this over and over about Naamah but she's only mentioned once in Scripture and it doesn't say she was married died young, married someone in her own tribe or what. It don't say she was evil or good or nothing other than this so I myself wont say she was when no one actually knows.

You seem to be trying to make it confusing when what I was suggesting was very simple.

I am suggesting that these women in Cain's camp being mentioned at all and their names meaning fair, pleasant beautiful, is there for a reason. My theory of interpretation is that they are mentioned to draw attention to their looks. I am also thinking that it was something they did to make themselves to be lusted after in a wicked manner. That information comes later but here they are mentioned so that you know who he is talking about when he references them in Gen 6:2

1) because these women in Cain's Camp were mentioned and no women in Seth's lineage are mentioned. It seems to be an obvious attempt to get our attention about that fact.
2) No one really needs to guess who the daughters of men might be. Since no women are mentioned in lineage of the Sons of God, only those mentioned in the lineage of Cain, this suggests that Cain's camp is the sons of men as opposed to the sons of God.
(A way of saying men who have their heart set on this life only. Men with a horizontal view. Who reject the counsel of God and despise the day of his coming. Who walk in the error of Cain. Who not only let sin crouch at their door but invite it in to master over them. )
3) the meanings of the names of the women mentioned certainly would be noticed by a Hebrew reader. Mentioning a daughter who's name meant Fair or beautiful, and then later referencing daughters of men who were fair is something that the Hebrew reader would notice. He would remember Chapter 4 and say "Ah HA" , well maybe not "ah ha" but he would make a connection, where English readers don't snap to the reference.

The first time I read it. I always made very high marks in reading comprehension tests in school. When I read Gen 6:2 about sons of God and daughters of men, I looked backwards to see if he had mentioned them and my mind had been wandering like I would have done reading any other book, and sure enough I noticed in Gen 4 the reference to the duaghters of men in Cains clan and the Seths clan calling upon the name of the Lord and I understood Gen 6: 2 perfectly.

Someone had to explain the Angel / wives / giant offspring theory to me and I could not believe they were serious. I actually wondered if they were saved. And the first people who told me about it weren't. I was in jail. I found out from reading Dakes Anontated bible and hearing people like Jimmy Swaggert that there were sincerely saved people who believed the angel theory so I had to take a step back and be patient with people.

All I can say today about people who insist on the angel theory is that the angel theory robs the reader of the rich theological teaching in this dawn of the world event about those who are called to separate from evil and dedicate themselves to the Lord

I know I have repeated myself in these threads, but I can tell from responses that people don't read everything I have posted previously so I will keep trying to point people to the light.

Let us separate from those that would influence us to do evil in this world and fellowship with the holy saints of God as we seek to know the Lord and to live a life ready for his sudden appearing. Do not get distracted by relatioinships that are not going to lead you to a closer walk with Jesus. Satan is still using the same strategies of ancient times, not angels making giant babies, but sending you an ungodly man or woman to draw you away.

 

[Phoneman-777]

well you keep saying this over and over about Naamah but she's only mentioned once in Scripture and it doesn't say she was married died young, married someone in her own tribe or what. It don't say she was evil or good or nothing other than this so I myself wont say she was when no one actually knows.

The Bible never says explicitly that "angels" can have sex with women either...isn't it only fair that you afford the same room for interpretation for others as you do for yourself?

 

[Phoneman-777]

lol, you said "if your going to..." as if I wrote the book of Jude when he's who wrote it right?

Jude doesn't rigidly tie verses 6 and 7 together and neither should we.

 

[Scribe]

well you keep saying this over and over about Naamah but she's only mentioned once in Scripture and it doesn't say she was married died young, married someone in her own tribe or what. It don't say she was evil or good or nothing other than this so I myself wont say she was when no one actually knows.

When the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fait and took them wives of all which they chose , God's response was that they were flesh and His Spirit will not keep striving with them. They would be wiped out in 120 years.

This means they were doing something evil, and that this act resulted in them becoming given over to evil, filled with violence and rapine and total wickedness in every thought continuously.

The reference to the daughters of men is painting with a big brush. Thousands of sons of God marrying thousands of daughters of men over a period of time. Naamah is referenced simply to explain who the daughters of men were not to highlight her individual characterists.

The fact that they saw the daughters of men were fair and married them sounds innocent until you read "My Spirit shall not always strive with man because he is Flesh" and then you know it was the wicked lust of the flesh kind of attraction and marrying against God's will type of choice they were making that is being referenced here.

You don't have much to go on. You have to make the most logical conclusion about these short brief statements. But as you study the entire bible you recognize the beauty and the majesty in these concise statements.

Also I do think there is a little of "hiding" the truth from those who's hearts are not capable of receiving it. Only those that love holiness will love this interpretation. The compromisers with the world and those who wink at sin will find the angel theory more entertaining and less convicting and demanding of their personal life.

 

[iamsoandso]

lol, it says one thing about Naamah in the Scriptures and that's it https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/4-22.htm

 

[Truth7t7]

Again, this is not about Chuck. Stop using him as your fall guy for misinterpreting scripture.

I guess some folks just cannot accept what they do not perceive as fitting their personal interpretations.

and I'll ignore you too!

(The Son's Of God) were human men, that married human women

Glad to be on your ignore, the playground bully dosen't win this one.

 

[Truth7t7]

The KJV scholars did not follow such a simple translation rule. Using devil when Daimonion was the Greek word seemed to be something appropriate for this verse. John 7:20

The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: (Daimonion )who goeth about to kill thee?

I am not sure why they translated it a devil if it is supposed to be demon. I am not a Greek Scholar but I am guessing there is some reasoning other than just "it is always demon in English for Daimonion" since it was not translated that way in this instance by those who were some of the best Greek scholars who have ever lived.

I don't know the answer but I will stay open to learn.

My research finds the example of (Christ) and his followers are (Christians)

Same for the (Devil) his followers are (devil/devils) it's that simple

 

[Truth7t7]

Do your homework. There is ONE devil, satan, and many demons.

Seems you are ok with reading bad interpretations as long as you already have that stuck in your repertoire of hasty retorts

You are defending something that is actually silly to defend but you know, it seems you are already stuffed with as much as you care to know

and yes, ignore

As expected, absolutely no scripture to support your claims

Fallen Angel's are devils, its that simple

 

[Phoneman-777]

(The Son's Of God) were human men, that married human women

Glad to be on your ignore, the playground bully dosen't win this one.

Take it easy! Sophistry — er, I mean SophieT — is obviously very easily offended so reaching her with the truth requires one must tread lightly. “Be all things to all snowflakes.”

 

[PennEd]

Dont forget the topdog himself here (me) agrees with you on this particular topic! ISNT THAT ALL THAT MATTERS?

So now the question is: SINCE it will be like the days of Noah, WHEN wil lthe nephilim come back and in WHAT FORM? spirits or actual real giants that people will say are UFOs?

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.

The answer will be speculative. So first let's restate what's NOT speculative.

1. The original Nephilim were offspring of the union of fallen angels and human women.

2. These first gen were all destroyed.

3. ALL flesh had corrupted themselves, except Noah.

4. Genesis 6: There were (Nephilim) giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward,

5. Numerous OT passages refer to some form of Nephilim (not completely human) appearing after the flood.

6. Jesus said As it were in the days of Noah so shall it be when He comes back.


So this begs the questions where did these post Flood Nephilim come from, are they here today, and if they are not, how will they reappear? The Bible is silent on exactly HOW they appear.

So on with the speculation!

 

[PennEd]

Dont forget the topdog himself here (me) agrees with you on this particular topic! ISNT THAT ALL THAT MATTERS?

So now the question is: SINCE it will be like the days of Noah, WHEN wil lthe nephilim come back and in WHAT FORM? spirits or actual real giants that people will say are UFOs?

So there several possibilities.

The two that I think are most plausible:

1. The regressive corrupted genes were carried forth by one or more of Noah's daughters in Law.

ALL flesh had corrupted itself except Noah. I think it is safe to assume Mrs. Noah, since they are regarded as "one flesh" by God, is incorrupt as well. Meaning their children are incorrupt.

My niece's son has cystic fibrosis. Terrible disease. BOTH of his parents must carry the gene, and even then there is only a 1 in 4 chance of their offspring getting the disease.
This may be why future nephilim are not only less prevalent post Flood, but of smaller scale and abilities. (King Og of Bashan was 15 ft, Goliath 10-12 ft, instead of 30 ft or more)

2. Humans will CORRUPT THEMSELVES through the knowledge of various DNA manipulation techniques, culminating in taking the mark of the beast, which will likely include Satan's DNA. Thus, once taken, the Satanic DNA they have incorporated into their genes, can NEVER be undone, and they are forever irredeemable.

Watching the direction we are taking option 2 is looking more and more likely.

If you have Netflix watch the documentary 'Unnatural Selection" . Here's a trailer:

 

[Magenta]

... let's restate what's NOT speculative.

1. The original Nephilim were offspring of the union of fallen angels and human women.

That is speculative, being assumed from/read into the text, and not explicitly stated.

 

[Grandpa]

Very interesting topic @PennEd !!!

Genesis 4:13-16
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.


Cain is cursed and his curse is to be removed from the presence of God.


Genesis 4:25-26
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.


Here we have Eve expressly saying that God has given her a seed and that seed begins to call upon the name of the Lord.

Which calling upon the name of the Lord would imply they were in the presence of God and were opposed to those who were NOT in the presence of God... (Cain and his seed)


John 1:10-13
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


It would appear to me that when men began to call on the name of the Lord that is when they became sons of God.


Genesis 6:1-2
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.



Did those men who called on the name of the Lord (and became sons of God) not get married and have children at first??? But then, some time later, they saw that women were something to be desired? The text doesn't necessarily say that the daughters of men were ONLY Cains seed but from both sides... Seth and Cain.


Genesis 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Why would those who call on the name of God having children be caused to be giants? And "men which were of old", "men of renown"???


I don't have the answers to most of these questions. Just thinking that possibly both sides are correct and that sons of God doesn't have to be angels, but also I wouldn't rule out the possibility that they ARE angels.


Something is definitely going on here in the lives of these people who grow to be almost 1000 yrs old that we are not understanding or possibly it is purposely hidden.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.

The answer will be speculative. So first let's restate what's NOT speculative.

1. The original Nephilim were offspring of the union of fallen angels and human women.

2. These first gen were all destroyed.

3. ALL flesh had corrupted themselves, except Noah.

4. Genesis 6: There were (Nephilim) giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward,

5. Numerous OT passages refer to some form of Nephilim (not completely human) appearing after the flood.

6. Jesus said As it were in the days of Noah so shall it be when He comes back.


So this begs the questions where did these post Flood Nephilim come from, are they here today, and if they are not, how will they reappear? The Bible is silent on exactly HOW they appear.

So on with the speculation!

Giants were born to human women, that were impregnated by human men

Angels dont maintain human sperm, nor marry human women, (The Sons Of God) in Genesis 6:1-5 took human wives, and were human men

This fairytale has went so far as to claim a book written by Enoch, claimed these giants were 450 ft tall, and ran out of food so they started eating humans?

Really Big Smiles!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Giants were born to human women, that were impregnated by human men

That is DEFINITELY NOT what is written in the Bible. And if that were the case, there would have been no need to contrast the two groups. Do you see your fallacy? And have you read and studied the connected passages in other portions of Scripture. Since you know nothing about angels, let's allow God to tell us what actually happened.

 

[Hevosmies]

So there several possibilities.

The two that I think are most plausible:

1. The regressive corrupted genes were carried forth by one or more of Noah's daughters in Law.

ALL flesh had corrupted itself except Noah. I think it is safe to assume Mrs. Noah, since they are regarded as "one flesh" by God, is incorrupt as well. Meaning their children are incorrupt.

My niece's son has cystic fibrosis. Terrible disease. BOTH of his parents must carry the gene, and even then there is only a 1 in 4 chance of their offspring getting the disease.
This may be why future nephilim are not only less prevalent post Flood, but of smaller scale and abilities. (King Og of Bashan was 15 ft, Goliath 10-12 ft, instead of 30 ft or more)

2. Humans will CORRUPT THEMSELVES through the knowledge of various DNA manipulation techniques, culminating in taking the mark of the beast, which will likely include Satan's DNA. Thus, once taken, the Satanic DNA they have incorporated into their genes, can NEVER be undone, and they are forever irredeemable.

Watching the direction we are taking option 2 is looking more and more likely.

If you have Netflix watch the documentary 'Unnatural Selection" . Here's a trailer:

Thanks! I believe in number #2 option as well! INTERESTING to see, did you notice the new vaccines for the media-flu also include DNA altering stuff?

SCARY TIMES to be living in. We gotta be careful.

Do you have any examples of DNA manipulation outside of the media-flu vaccine? I know they've manipulated vegetables and things like that for a long time, but on humans? Im asking because it sounds like you've already done the studying on this topic!

 

[Truth7t7]

Very interesting topic @PennEd !!!

Genesis 4:13-16
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.


Cain is cursed and his curse is to be removed from the presence of God.


Genesis 4:25-26
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.


Here we have Eve expressly saying that God has given her a seed and that seed begins to call upon the name of the Lord.

Which calling upon the name of the Lord would imply they were in the presence of God and were opposed to those who were NOT in the presence of God... (Cain and his seed)


John 1:10-13
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


It would appear to me that when men began to call on the name of the Lord that is when they became sons of God.


Genesis 6:1-2
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.



Did those men who called on the name of the Lord (and became sons of God) not get married and have children at first??? But then, some time later, they saw that women were something to be desired? The text doesn't necessarily say that the daughters of men were ONLY Cains seed but from both sides... Seth and Cain.


Genesis 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Why would those who call on the name of God having children be caused to be giants? And "men which were of old", "men of renown"???


I don't have the answers to most of these questions. Just thinking that possibly both sides are correct and that sons of God doesn't have to be angels, but also I wouldn't rule out the possibility that they ARE angels.


Something is definitely going on here in the lives of these people who grow to be almost 1000 yrs old that we are not understanding or possibly it is purposely hidden.

(The Sons Of God) in Genesis 6:1-5 were human men that married human women and procreate

Angel's dont marry human women

 

[Truth7t7]

That is DEFINITELY NOT what is written in the Bible. And if that were the case, there would have been no need to contrast the two groups. Do you see your fallacy? And have you read and studied the connected passages in other portions of Scripture. Since you know nothing about angels, let's allow God to tell us what actually happened.

The sons of God were human men, that married human women, Angel's dont marry nor maintain human sperm.

Genesis 6:1-4KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Philippians 2:15KJV
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thanks! I believe in number #2 option as well! INTERESTING to see, did you notice the new vaccines for the media-flu also include DNA altering stuff?

SCARY TIMES to be living in. We gotta be careful.

Do you have any examples of DNA manipulation outside of the media-flu vaccine? I know they've manipulated vegetables and things like that for a long time, but on humans? Im asking because it sounds like you've already done the studying on this topic!

The mark of the Beast is satan's DNA?

I didnt know (Spiritual) beings such as satan, has human DNA, Big Smiles!

I guess growing up on Steven Spielberg (Jurassic Park III) and Stephen King has far reaching effects

 

[PennEd]

Thanks! I believe in number #2 option as well! INTERESTING to see, did you notice the new vaccines for the media-flu also include DNA altering stuff?

SCARY TIMES to be living in. We gotta be careful.

Do you have any examples of DNA manipulation outside of the media-flu vaccine? I know they've manipulated vegetables and things like that for a long time, but on humans? Im asking because it sounds like you've already done the studying on this topic!

Did you get a chance to watch the trailer video I posted?

If you have Netflix I’d highly recommend that series. You will be blown away with how even schlubs in their garage are tinkering with sometimes even their own DNA.

One guy is even getting dog sperm to mix glow in the dark jellyfish dna inserted to make dogs that glow.