Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??
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1. Fair enough. It could be that I'm wrong and it pricks my pride. Pride has a way of insidiously creeping in to your life everywhere.
2. You are making a big error to assume that just because someone disagrees with your egalitarianism means that they haven't given the issue some thought and that they're "closed minded."
3. The fact that your "egalitarian view of ministry" just so happens to be perfectly in line with the popular trend in the world today should raise some alarm bells in your mind if you're actually pursuing truth. I highly suspect that your "careful study of the text" was done through the lens of modernism. And until you remove that lens, you're never going to progress. I'm not even saying that modernism is wrong here. I'm just saying that in order to find truth then you've got to remove all your lenses and filters. And that's hard to do because you don't even realize they're there.
4. I have read plenty of your posts. You are smarter than the average bear. But you've got to remember that intelligence has very little to do with whether you have correct or incorrect views on any given thing. Intelligence just gives you a greater ability to rationalize error. I think that's what you're going.
5. Lastly, lots of beta males try to show off to females how hip and feminist they are. They do this because they're trying in vain to attract/keep a woman. But this is a total fail because women are repulsed by beta orbiters telling them what they want to hear. They will respect you more if you just lead rather than grovel. All these guys on here talking about this or that awesome woman leader? They're all beta grovelers. If you want a woman, stop worshipping them.
2. You are making a big error to assume that just because someone disagrees with your egalitarianism means that they haven't given the issue some thought and that they're "closed minded."
3. The fact that your "egalitarian view of ministry" just so happens to be perfectly in line with the popular trend in the world today should raise some alarm bells in your mind if you're actually pursuing truth. I highly suspect that your "careful study of the text" was done through the lens of modernism. And until you remove that lens, you're never going to progress. I'm not even saying that modernism is wrong here. I'm just saying that in order to find truth then you've got to remove all your lenses and filters. And that's hard to do because you don't even realize they're there.
4. I have read plenty of your posts. You are smarter than the average bear. But you've got to remember that intelligence has very little to do with whether you have correct or incorrect views on any given thing. Intelligence just gives you a greater ability to rationalize error. I think that's what you're going.
5. Lastly, lots of beta males try to show off to females how hip and feminist they are. They do this because they're trying in vain to attract/keep a woman. But this is a total fail because women are repulsed by beta orbiters telling them what they want to hear. They will respect you more if you just lead rather than grovel. All these guys on here talking about this or that awesome woman leader? They're all beta grovelers. If you want a woman, stop worshipping them.
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Absolutely. Happy to help 
Say, are you sure about the Cross being the event that cleanses a person's conscience? Jesus can lift the Sin Nature from anyone's Heart at any time, thus we have Exodus 33:19, where the Lord says that He can grant His Grace, Mercy, and Compassion upon anyone He so chooses. And this is what happened to Abraham . . . our Father of Faith. His Heart was circumcised by Christ . . . by the Spirit.
Romans 2:28-29 KJV - "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God."
The above teaching from Paul shows us what True Circumcision is, and this Circumcision is exactly what happened to Abraham.
Romans 4:16 NLT - "So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham's. For Abraham is the father of all who believe."
Even Abel, the son of Adam was a prophet, and certainly, no one can be a prophet of God if they remain under the Curse that Jesus removes as described in Colossians 2:9-15. Jesus lifted this Curse for all Righteous and Holy men/women of the past. If they remained under the Curse brought on by Adam and Eve, then Righteousness and Holiness are utterly impossible.
The Work of Jesus is as follows:
1. Jesus Enables a Heart to Repent, to Turn from sin and live a life of consistent obedience.
2. Jesus Circumcises the Heart of the Sin Nature.
3. Jesus died on the Cross to pay for the sins of those who had been given to Him.
4. Jesus sends the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
Three of the four, above, were all issued to our Patriarchs, for this is why we must all have the same kind of Faith that Abraham had . . . along with all others listed in Hebrews 11.
Romans 4:11-12 NLT - "Circumcision was a sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had already accepted him and declared him to be righteous--even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is the spiritual father of those who have faith but have not been circumcised. They are counted as righteous because of their faith. 12 And Abraham is also the spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had before he was circumcised."
Just something to consider.
Thanks for acknowledging that. It's rare.
Fair point. I apologize.
We can't avoid the lenses we don't see, or know they are there; that goes for all of us. That said, I don't hold to "modernism" in any other area, so I'd have to wonder why I would here.
Thanks... I think. Intelligence also gives a greater ability to spot error.
I have no interest in trying to be "hip and feminist"; that's for fools. Standing up for what you believe is right, especially when it's unpopular, is not a "beta" trait.
Fair point. I apologize.
We can't avoid the lenses we don't see, or know they are there; that goes for all of us. That said, I don't hold to "modernism" in any other area, so I'd have to wonder why I would here.
Thanks... I think. Intelligence also gives a greater ability to spot error.
I have no interest in trying to be "hip and feminist"; that's for fools. Standing up for what you believe is right, especially when it's unpopular, is not a "beta" trait.
"The cross was a judgment of sin, cleansing for the human conscience, payment for sin, appeasement/satisfaction of God's wrath, substitutionary ransom, etc. It is all these and more."
Say, are you sure about the Cross being the event that cleanses a person's conscience? Jesus can lift the Sin Nature from anyone's Heart at any time, thus we have Exodus 33:19, where the Lord says that He can grant His Grace, Mercy, and Compassion upon anyone He so chooses. And this is what happened to Abraham . . . our Father of Faith. His Heart was circumcised by Christ . . . by the Spirit.
Romans 2:28-29 KJV - "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God."
The above teaching from Paul shows us what True Circumcision is, and this Circumcision is exactly what happened to Abraham.
Romans 4:16 NLT - "So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham's. For Abraham is the father of all who believe."
Even Abel, the son of Adam was a prophet, and certainly, no one can be a prophet of God if they remain under the Curse that Jesus removes as described in Colossians 2:9-15. Jesus lifted this Curse for all Righteous and Holy men/women of the past. If they remained under the Curse brought on by Adam and Eve, then Righteousness and Holiness are utterly impossible.
The Work of Jesus is as follows:
1. Jesus Enables a Heart to Repent, to Turn from sin and live a life of consistent obedience.
2. Jesus Circumcises the Heart of the Sin Nature.
3. Jesus died on the Cross to pay for the sins of those who had been given to Him.
4. Jesus sends the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
Three of the four, above, were all issued to our Patriarchs, for this is why we must all have the same kind of Faith that Abraham had . . . along with all others listed in Hebrews 11.
Romans 4:11-12 NLT - "Circumcision was a sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had already accepted him and declared him to be righteous--even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is the spiritual father of those who have faith but have not been circumcised. They are counted as righteous because of their faith. 12 And Abraham is also the spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had before he was circumcised."
Just something to consider.
Say, are you sure about the Cross being the event that cleanses a person's conscience? Jesus can lift the Sin Nature from anyone's Heart at any time, thus we have Exodus 33:19, where the Lord says that He can grant His Grace, Mercy, and Compassion upon anyone He so chooses. And this is what happened to Abraham . . . our Father of Faith. His Heart was circumcised by Christ . . . by the Spirit.
Romans 2:28-29 KJV - "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God."
The above teaching from Paul shows us what True Circumcision is, and this Circumcision is exactly what happened to Abraham.
Romans 4:16 NLT - "So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham's. For Abraham is the father of all who believe."
Even Abel, the son of Adam was a prophet, and certainly, no one can be a prophet of God if they remain under the Curse that Jesus removes as described in Colossians 2:9-15. Jesus lifted this Curse for all Righteous and Holy men/women of the past. If they remained under the Curse brought on by Adam and Eve, then Righteousness and Holiness are utterly impossible.
The Work of Jesus is as follows:
1. Jesus Enables a Heart to Repent, to Turn from sin and live a life of consistent obedience.
2. Jesus Circumcises the Heart of the Sin Nature.
3. Jesus died on the Cross to pay for the sins of those who had been given to Him.
4. Jesus sends the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
Three of the four, above, were all issued to our Patriarchs, for this is why we must all have the same kind of Faith that Abraham had . . . along with all others listed in Hebrews 11.
Romans 4:11-12 NLT - "Circumcision was a sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had already accepted him and declared him to be righteous--even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is the spiritual father of those who have faith but have not been circumcised. They are counted as righteous because of their faith. 12 And Abraham is also the spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had before he was circumcised."
Just something to consider.
“For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.” (Hebrews 9:13–15)
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Thanks for acknowledging that. It's rare.
Fair point. I apologize.
We can't avoid the lenses we don't see, or know they are there; that goes for all of us. That said, I don't hold to "modernism" in any other area, so I'd have to wonder why I would here.
Thanks... I think. Intelligence also gives a greater ability to spot error.
I have no interest in trying to be "hip and feminist"; that's for fools. Standing up for what you believe is right, especially when it's unpopular, is not a "beta" trait.
Fair point. I apologize.
We can't avoid the lenses we don't see, or know they are there; that goes for all of us. That said, I don't hold to "modernism" in any other area, so I'd have to wonder why I would here.
Thanks... I think. Intelligence also gives a greater ability to spot error.
I have no interest in trying to be "hip and feminist"; that's for fools. Standing up for what you believe is right, especially when it's unpopular, is not a "beta" trait.
1. Anytime I'm in agreement with anti-christians. If I find myself saying the same things they say; if I find myself having common enemies with them; if I find myself cheering for the same people as them; if I find myself traveling in the same circles as them.
2. Anytime I find myself wanting to believe X. If you desire to believe X, then that will automatically put a lens on you. Try to see the world just as it is, rather than as you would like it to be. Even if it's uncomfortable. Especially when it's uncomfortable.
3. Anytime I find myself answering some simple question with platitudes instead of actually thinking about it. I homeschooled my kids and there were a lot of times when one of them would ask so simple question and I'd think to myself "Wow...I know I'm supposed to say X to that question, but is X actually the right answer??". So those questions would wind up making all of us study, and really think about some of these things. A LOT of lenses got chucked out thanks to homeschooling. I probably learned more than my kids did.
4. Anytime you watch any sort of media meant for mass consumption. It's invariably designed to maintain those lenses. I remember back when "Saving Private Ryan" came out, nodding my head in approval. Since that time I had done a lot of "lens shedding". Then I watched this incredibly compelling analysis of the movie and realized (even more) that I had been an absolute mindless, brainwashed zombie back then! Really! Watch this and consider that the same manner of brainwashing in Private Ryan is probably happening in every movie we ever watch, every textbook we've ever read. That's one way lenses are built and maintained.
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I fully agree the Cinema has a major impact on public opinion and the church
Inside the Christian community of the 70's-80's dispensationalism promoted films (A Thief In The Night 1972) (A Distant Thunder 1978) (Image Of The Beast 1981) (Prodigal Planet 1983)
Christian's running from Antichrist death squads, starving, no medical unless the mark is received,hyped propaganda in deception.
This propaganda was played every Friday, Saturday nights at churches, promoting the fear of man in false teachings.
Dallas Theologicals Tim Lahaye Alumni in his left behind series Sci-Fi in the cinema and, books volumes 1-16 in 1995-2007 propaganda
This was a major impact on shaping lenses of many seen today, many!
Inside the Christian community of the 70's-80's dispensationalism promoted films (A Thief In The Night 1972) (A Distant Thunder 1978) (Image Of The Beast 1981) (Prodigal Planet 1983)
Christian's running from Antichrist death squads, starving, no medical unless the mark is received,hyped propaganda in deception.
This propaganda was played every Friday, Saturday nights at churches, promoting the fear of man in false teachings.
Dallas Theologicals Tim Lahaye Alumni in his left behind series Sci-Fi in the cinema and, books volumes 1-16 in 1995-2007 propaganda
This was a major impact on shaping lenses of many seen today, many!
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I hear you . . . and I See God's Word above. Thank you. What are your thoughts on Abraham in terms of why we have to have his specific form of Faith, and what is it, specifically, that qualifies Abraham to be our Father of Faith?
I know that those are hard questions to answer, but if you could answer them I would appreciate it. Many thanks!
I know that those are hard questions to answer, but if you could answer them I would appreciate it. Many thanks!
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How could the below men go out, spread the News of the coming Messiah, and be able to heal many sick people and cast out demons? Can a person who remains under the Adamic Curse really heal the sick and cast out demons? Satan casting out Satan? Of what benefit was that?
The point is, is that these men had had their hearts cleansed of the Sin Nature, an act of Christ that would allow them to obey. For as Scripture states, those whose father is the Devil cannot ever please God. How could these men be lifted of the Curse that causes confusion to the conscience if Jesus hasn't died . . . yet?
How could the below men go out, spread the News of the coming Messiah, and be able to heal many sick people and cast out demons? Can a person who remains under the Adamic Curse really heal the sick and cast out demons? Satan casting out Satan? Of what benefit was that?
The point is, is that these men had had their hearts cleansed of the Sin Nature, an act of Christ that would allow them to obey. For as Scripture states, those whose father is the Devil cannot ever please God. How could these men be lifted of the Curse that causes confusion to the conscience if Jesus hasn't died . . . yet?
Honestly, I am really busy with school at the moment. I was trying to give a quick answer to your initial response. Abraham is the father of the faith because the covenant was made with him, hence, the Abrahamic covenant. Because he believed, God imputed righteousness to his account. God’s purpose was that Abraham be the father of all who believe and are thereby justified. This included both the Gentiles and the Jews. To be a friend of God, we must walk by faith, like Abraham.
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Ya. Movies are super powerful because I don't think the mind fully grasps that it's all fake. I mean on a conscious level we know it's not real, but I think that at some lower level in our brains we can't really distinguish movie from real. And the result is that those messages are transmitted into us subconsciously. Then stop to consider just how anti-christian hollywood is.
And I firmly believe there is a ton of feminist propaganda flung at us constantly. I think it soaks into our brains and marinates in there. I mean when you see these super awesome women fighting bad guys, solving murders, hunting for treasure, etc, etc then you naturally start to see women as being the same as men, while women's roles as wives and mothers are diminished in your mind. Feminism just naturally creeps into our psyche. And then we start rationalizing it in our Christianity. Soon our brains are telling us that if women can do anything a man can do, then they can surely be a pastor!
Not saying this is the only thing that pushes our minds in this direction. It's just one factor. Among many. Amazing how all these coincidences point in the same direction so consistently!
And I firmly believe there is a ton of feminist propaganda flung at us constantly. I think it soaks into our brains and marinates in there. I mean when you see these super awesome women fighting bad guys, solving murders, hunting for treasure, etc, etc then you naturally start to see women as being the same as men, while women's roles as wives and mothers are diminished in your mind. Feminism just naturally creeps into our psyche. And then we start rationalizing it in our Christianity. Soon our brains are telling us that if women can do anything a man can do, then they can surely be a pastor!
Not saying this is the only thing that pushes our minds in this direction. It's just one factor. Among many. Amazing how all these coincidences point in the same direction so consistently!
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God is not the Author of confusion bro He would not give wimmin the gifts of prophecy, word of wisdom and knowledge if'n He did not intend them to share these gifts with the assembly. Moreover He would not authenticate ministries led by women as we have seen Him do. He is not confused.
You need to read the whole of Timothy to get the sense in which Paul is speaking.
Furthermore
Timothy is a personal letter to Timothy not a letter to the church.
You need to read the whole of Timothy to get the sense in which Paul is speaking.
Furthermore
Timothy is a personal letter to Timothy not a letter to the church.
Spend more time READING the Word of God and less time on the internet and you would be ...............
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
(2 Timothy 2:15 ).
Maybe then you would be able to grasp 1 Timothy 3:1-2..........
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach".
Just a suggestion!
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
(2 Timothy 2:15 ).
Maybe then you would be able to grasp 1 Timothy 3:1-2..........
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach".
Just a suggestion!