Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?

[Brandnewday]

Actually since I have quoted the relevant Scriptures, I do have a biblical leg to stand on. The Bible is crystal clear that within the church women are forbidden to speak, preach, teach, or usurp authority. So your battle is with God, not men.

Furthermore, Christian wives are to be in submission to their husbands, and demonstrate this submission by covering their heads during worship.

Feminists hate what the Bible has to say, since they imagine that they are more than equal to men. But Christian women in submission to Christ have absolutely no issues with what the Bible teaches.

No, you don't have a leg to stand on. You don't have the time to even realize context because that would defeat you where you stand.

You're one of those guys that takes white-out and erases that part of the bible you don't agree with. Then you argue from the perspective of what you've written over the edit.

The same guy you're claiming tells you that garbage that you want to believe about women, is the same guy that told you there is no separation among people who are Christian. You're all one in God. And when Jesus was accompanied by women in his ministry, and a woman found the tomb empty and called the brothers of Christ to come see and they followed, something women in that day would not have command authority to even hope to have happen, that's your marker for truth! Even when here Jesus did not discriminate between the sexes or else no woman would have walked with him throughout ancient Palestine.

Paul had women in service delivering the good news, so that defeats you there as well.

Your god is a bigot! That's not God. That's your image and likeness feeling emboldened by your delusion about women. It isn't in the bible.
Bigotry, misogyny, are sins. The whopper sin however is second guessing God.
What you're arguing on behalf of is a sin filled pulpit. What you choose to white-out is the God given truth. God is no respecter of persons.
That absolutely tells others, not you, that God will never say a woman cannot bring people to repentance by delivering his good news. How stupid would that be? The faith teaches the world is full of sinners. Women populate the world by far more percentage than there are men in the world. And yet the God of the faith forbids a woman to lead people to repentance and salvation because of her sex.
Oh, but she can lead children in Sunday school to know the gospel. Which is another proof you ignore. And of course, that women have authority over men all over the world, and that God calls women to preach, is further proof.

And by the way, just because you also don't know this, when you all are all one in God, and God is no respecter of persons, a woman leading a congregation isn't one who has authority OVER men! She's a shepherd called by God to lead and guide his sheep. God called her because he does not discriminate.

That you do tells God a great deal.
And bud don't get the wrong idea. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this thinking I might get through when God's own words are ignored by you.
Since I got here I decided to start dusting off the book and read what I'd long put behind me just to keep up and stand in and against the fool, like you.

You aren't leading people to the good news! You're leading people to the bad news that says, if they believe what you do, they're not saved.

 

[Brandnewday]

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By the way, where do you find those? My daughter is at the stage where she's torn between following Christ in service as he calls her to do, and living a secular life while being a good Christian because she gets a lot of push back from the preacher at her mom's church.
I think those will help her to see what that guy is trying to tell her in his own way.

I'm sure part of her being torn is my not being certain of my own faith these many years. She's as much as told me this. Then we had a really deep heart to heart during a getaway weekend when it was my turn to share time with her and she's better now in understanding her dad.

One thing I told her and would tell any young woman here who is encountering the idea that you're not going to be called by God to serve his way for you, be it preaching or anything else, because when liars in the pulpit claim a woman isn't to have authority over a man is this. Those people, be they the lying bigot in the pulpit or anywhere else, are forgetting that the implication of ministry and leading people from their worldly life and sin IS a matter of God giving that one he called the authority to lead women and men to the way of Christ!

And the example of that IS NOT found in anyone who claims God is the opposite of what he said of himself!

That he is a respecter of persons and as such will never call a woman to preach or lead. That the church, the first church, God ever founded and the only one in his sight is the whole of those who hold him within them, that holy spirit. Each one of you is that temple you read about in his words to you. And you're suppose to believe that. And as a whole, when you're told there is no worldly cultural barriers that separate you now,like gender, nationality, race, because you are one with God, you're suppose to believe that too. Because you're suppose to believe what God tells you, right?

I'd hope you would then realize that if any man, or really deluded female, tells you the opposite, that you're not reading or hearing from someone who is in God's will or ways. Because they're insisting the opposite of what God tells you to believe is actually what God wants you to accept on THEIR authority as one who thinks they're entitled to interpret God's words. And again, after God told you that you're not to do that! Because God's words are not subject to private interpretation!

If a woman, or young lady, feels God leading her to preach, don't listen to anyone who tells you you're to ignore that because God doesn't do that. That person is telling you in saying this that they are able to have authority over God! And that's worse than being a misogynist lying bigot in the pulpit. Or anywhere else.

Men who think women are less, are less themselves. That's a fact. A strong man isn't intimidated by a strong woman.
Raise your daughters to think for themselves, love who God made them to be, and now they're made as a reflection of their creator, which you all are suppose to worship, and as such God doesn't make mistakes or people not equipped for the service he then calls them to. If he did do that, he'd not be worthy of worship or the title of supreme being.
Supreme being put in check by lesser beings who tell him he is wrong to call a woman to preach. That's what you all are encountering from time to time in this discussion.

Those people aren't right. They're lost. Systematic oppression is not salvation!

 

[CS1]

seeing the word of God differently i would understand if its about the book of revelation or ezekiel something symbolic, but the verses on this topic are so crystal clear.

but i see you are a moderator and are in the same camp. so i will take heed to your advice and leave, and this isnt a majority christian forum btw. maybe some mutant 2020 christian version yes.

thanks to all the nice guys here who ive met during this time and thanks to all the real ones who are contending for the truth still. God bless you all and cya. and i will stand behind what i said there.

Ok Bye and God bless

 

[Brandnewday]

I found it on my own, thanks. It's the cover of an early book from 2003. Religion's Cell, by David Hayward.
I'm going to review this after purchase from a book seller. I may gift this to my daughter. Thanks for posting that picture. I saved it to email her later on today.

Reminds me of my wife who wears a little gold cross. I asked her once if she ever considered the one Jesus was nailed to wasn't 24 carat? And also, did she really think Jesus would ever want to see a cross again after that?
In Judaism, the cross is considered a symbol of oppression. That's more like it I think. Though the Persians invented the thing, the Romans perfected the savagery of it. Go figure.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

the fool, like you.

I see you did not take my advice about cheering up.

Paul had women in service delivering the good news, so that defeats you there as well.

Come now.

There's no need to say things like this. There is no such record in scripture in the new testament where a woman is preaching the gospel to men in a service. And the account in Acts 18:26 where the husband and wife are giving Apollos the full gospel account after hearing him implies that this took place after "the service" which allows the possibility that the exchange occurred outside of the gathering place.

And to use a narrative portion of text regarding the women coming to the tomb as a basis to establish a doctrine is an error. Especially when a clear teaching is found elsewhere in the text. Jesus did not choose any women to be his disciples. The women were there to assist as a help to the men. Just like Phebe was a helper to Paul and many others.

I mean, how far are we going to go to explain away scripture passages that trouble our fleshly minds? The world has gone out of its way to give women more and more equal footing with the man. It seems some here are openly and without reservation joining the world on this issue. Who is standing in the narrow way here?

Know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God (James 4:4).

And as far as I can tell, the ones on the side of women preachers are the ones explaining away clear passages, not the other way around.

Many do not tremble at the word of God, they scoff and have the gall to assume to know what Paul's motives were as though the word of God came from his own will.

We are supposed to be obedient to Christ with fear and trembling (Ephesians 6:5). Not with an inquiring mind.

 

[Brandnewday]

I see you did not take my advice about cheering up.



Come now.

There's no need to say things like this. There is no such record in scripture in the new testament where a woman is preaching the gospel to men in a service. And the account in Acts 18:26 where the husband and wife are giving Apollos the full gospel account after hearing him implies that this took place after "the service" which allows the possibility that the exchange occurred outside of the gathering place.

And to use a narrative portion of text regarding the women coming to the tomb as a basis to establish a doctrine is an error. Especially when a clear teaching is found elsewhere in the text. Jesus did not choose any women to be his disciples. The women were there to assist as a help to the men. Just like Phebe was a helper to Paul and many others.

I mean, how far are we going to go to explain away scripture passages that trouble our fleshly minds? The world has gone out of its way to give women more and more equal footing with the man. It seems some here are openly and without reservation joining the world on this issue. Who is standing in the narrow way here?

Know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God (James 4:4).

And as far as I can tell, the ones on the side of women preachers are the ones explaining away clear passages, not the other way around.

Many do not tremble at the word of God, they scoff and have the gall to assume to know what Paul's motives were as though the word of God came from his own will.

We are supposed to be obedient to Christ with fear and trembling (Ephesians 6:5). Not with an inquiring mind.

Oh hell, another one.

Here's a piece of advice for you. Confront the one that misrepresents God's words and demonstrates the opposite of what God himself commands. Namely, but not exclusively, insisting he has the right to privately interpret God's words. And as he does, he makes God in his own image. And you know what that is? Not someone of good cheer!

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Confront the one that misrepresents God's words and demonstrates the opposite of what God himself commands.

Uh...

That's you.

 

[bojack]

You sound like you're single. You also sound like one of those pigs that first believe because a woman isn't a doormat she must be a Feminist! You should have more respect for your mother! Every hate filled cut you make against women having the right to preach due to God calling them reflects on the impression the first woman you ever encountered made on you in your formative years. You're hardwired to hate women in power. For you, this world full of women empowered is Hell.

That's your choice! Enjoy.

LOL, You're androgynous right ? Here's a little testimony .. We had a great church , it was growing to capacity then one Sunday a woman showed up and after a couple weeks of hounding the preacher to let her talk he finally let her .. She give her little empty talk then next week wanted to do it again , she was miles behind and quite boring, more like painful, then she basically appointed herself a spot every week .. I can deal with a man but what do you do to a woman who is another mans wife , he obviously was henpecked by a Jezebel Spirit, her daughter and a couple others supported her and hinted they wanted a turn too .. I left the church and the Preacher did too after all the confusion set in, there's plenty of good churches out there to get tied up in that mess .... I don't even think the church is a church anymore ..

 

[CS1]

I see you did not take my advice about cheering up.



Come now.

There's no need to say things like this. There is no such record in scripture in the new testament where a woman is preaching the gospel to men in a service. And the account in Acts 18:26 where the husband and wife are giving Apollos the full gospel account after hearing him implies that this took place after "the service" which allows the possibility that the exchange occurred outside of the gathering place.

And to use a narrative portion of text regarding the women coming to the tomb as a basis to establish a doctrine is an error. Especially when a clear teaching is found elsewhere in the text. Jesus did not choose any women to be his disciples. The women were there to assist as a help to the men. Just like Phebe was a helper to Paul and many others.

I mean, how far are we going to go to explain away scripture passages that trouble our fleshly minds? The world has gone out of its way to give women more and more equal footing with the man. It seems some here are openly and without reservation joining the world on this issue. Who is standing in the narrow way here?

Know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God (James 4:4).

And as far as I can tell, the ones on the side of women preachers are the ones explaining away clear passages, not the other way around.

Many do not tremble at the word of God, they scoff and have the gall to assume to know what Paul's motives were as though the word of God came from his own will.

We are supposed to be obedient to Christ with fear and trembling (Ephesians 6:5). Not with an inquiring mind.

LOL you do know the word service in context to a "church serves " was not really said". The gentiles did not have synagogues and nothing says women did not speak. it says they were to keep silent and not to have authority of a man. But they did prophesy, and prayed . 1cor 11 says that.

many women in the word of God did Prophesied.

Hanna,
Mary
Elizabeth
The Daughter of Philp

Prophetess:
Anna in Luke 2:36
Deborah
Mariam
Huldah
Isiah's wife
Several women prophets are mentioned in the book of Ezekiel.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

many women in the word of God did Prophesied.

Yes, there are accounts of women prophets in scripture.

But we cannot make void biblical doctrine solely based on a story elsewhere in the Bible that may or may not show a contrary behavior. Besides, the acts that the women you cited did were before the church's doctrines were established through Paul.

Philip's daughters where in their home, not in church. And notice also that when a message was delivered to Paul regarding his impending capture in Jerusalem, while Paul was in Philip's house "many days", Agabus was the bearer of this prophecy, not Philip's daughters (Acts 21:8-14).

With much respect and kind regards!

 

[Brandnewday]

LOL, You're androgynous right ? Here's a little testimony .. We had a great church , it was growing to capacity then one Sunday a woman showed up and after a couple weeks of hounding the preacher to let her talk he finally let her .. She give her little empty talk then next week wanted to do it again , she was miles behind and quite boring, more like painful, then she basically appointed herself a spot every week .. I can deal with a man but what do you do to a woman who is another mans wife , he obviously was henpecked by a Jezebel Spirit, her daughter and a couple others supported her and hinted they wanted a turn too .. I left the church and the Preacher did too after all the confusion set in, there's plenty of good churches out there to get tied up in that mess .... I don't even think the church is a church anymore ..

No, I'm a full grown man who, unlike you , doesn't have the talegas to tell God he can't pick a woman to preach.
And you're wrong. That's not a little testimony. That's a sorry confession.
If you're an example of your church, you're right. You are against a woman preacher from the start. God could send the female equivalent of John the Baptist and you'd condemn her before she opened her mouth.

 

[Brandnewday]

Uh...

That's you.

You're his other account. Now I get it. You accuse others of not being of good cheer and now we know by what standard you judge. You're not of good cheer. You're something else. Didn't Jesus teach your spirit anything after he kicked your backside in the desert?

I have friends who are Muslim. Your name gave you away pal. I wonder if the people here know who you are? And what you actually follow?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

You're his other account. Now I get it.

False accusation.

You are a liar!

This is not assumption. Any benefit of doubt I had just been erased.

Now go and read JOHN 8:44 to get enlightened about who the father of lies is.

Now I am done with you!

God have mercy on you! God Bless!

 

[bojack]

No, I'm a full grown man who, unlike you , doesn't have the talegas to tell God he can't pick a woman to preach.
And you're wrong. That's not a little testimony. That's a sorry confession.
If you're an example of your church, you're right. You are against a woman preacher from the start. God could send the female equivalent of John the Baptist and you'd condemn her before she opened her mouth.

I learned it from 1 Timothy 3 ..

 

[Nehemiah6]

You're one of those guys that takes white-out and erases that part of the bible you don't agree with. Then you argue from the perspective of what you've written over the edit.

When someone spouts such nonsense, it is best to leave them to their own devices. You are brand new here and are already spouting rubbish. Those who have seen my posts over time will understand this.

 

[Brandnewday]

I learned it from 1 Timothy 3 ..

You made that whole sorry story up just to show you don't know the difference between Paul's letters? Those of God and those of his own perspective when speaking to the churches he managed? They're called the pastoral epistles. That particular one you're mismanaging with your fake story is written to the first bishop Paul appointed to the church in Ephesus.
This is to say, those aren't God giving Paul his messages to copy down. Those are Paul directing the Bishop in how to run the church there.
Did you know the apostles who were chosen by Christ to follow him never once referred to Paul as an apostle? Though he referred to himself as one over twenty times in his writing. Instead, they called him brother.

How you know what is of God in any scripture is to recollect the guidepost from God. God does not change. Though he did change from the old unto the new testament, just by the identity of those different covenants.
When God tells you he does not change, his word is not subject to private interpretation, and the differences between people prior to their redemption through Christ is void, and because you are all now as one church , one body, in Christ, having that holy spirit alive and guiding you from your inside, you're to believe that. Right?

When you read someone managing a church they've installed in a town tell their bishop about the rules he's to set down concerning the women members, and that edict contradicts God's words about equality, no differences, God doesn't change, you're all one in God, and God's words are not to be made subject of your private interpretation, I'd suggest you question, rather than believe.

You follow God. Not a church manager. Remember that.

 

[bojack]

You made that whole sorry story up just to show you don't know the difference between Paul's letters? Those of God and those of his own perspective when speaking to the churches he managed? They're called the pastoral epistles. That particular one you're mismanaging with your fake story is written to the first bishop Paul appointed to the church in Ephesus.
This is to say, those aren't God giving Paul his messages to copy down. Those are Paul directing the Bishop in how to run the church there.
Did you know the apostles who were chosen by Christ to follow him never once referred to Paul as an apostle? Though he referred to himself as one over twenty times in his writing. Instead, they called him brother.

How you know what is of God in any scripture is to recollect the guidepost from God. God does not change. Though he did change from the old unto the new testament, just by the identity of those different covenants.
When God tells you he does not change, his word is not subject to private interpretation, and the differences between people prior to their redemption through Christ is void, and because you are all now as one church , one body, in Christ, having that holy spirit alive and guiding you from your inside, you're to believe that. Right?

When you read someone managing a church they've installed in a town tell their bishop about the rules he's to set down concerning the women members, and that edict contradicts God's words about equality, no differences, God doesn't change, you're all one in God, and God's words are not to be made subject of your private interpretation, I'd suggest you question, rather than believe.

You follow God. Not a church manager. Remember that.

How many women were called to be apostles and why do you seem so angry ?

 

[Brandnewday]

When someone spouts such nonsense, it is best to leave them to their own devices. You are brand new here and are already spouting rubbish. Those who have seen my posts over time will understand this.

I'm sure you have many fans. But you unmasked yourself when you claimed in your own words that you have the right to interpret God's words.
God's word says you don't. Longevity means nothing. What it means in your case given that is that you've been here for a long time violating God's command concerning his inspired words to everyone here, and the world.

You have no credibility in calling that which points out your own violation of God's commands rubbish nor nonsense when you're years long guilty of that offense against God himself. You don't approve your own words are being used to point you out. That's why you're whining now.

Now what people who read you and have over time have to consider is this question.Not the only one of course. Why?
You are no son of Hacaliah.

 

[Brandnewday]

How many women were called to be apostles and why do you seem so angry ?

Mary of Magdala, Susanna, Joanna.
Seem?
Angry? Aren't people who respect the bible to be angry when it is misrepresented so as to impugn God's actual message? Is that wrong? Or is it righteous?
Do you know what the word apostle means? Sent one. Jesus sent his apostles to fulfill the mission of delivering the gospel to the world.
Mark 3:13-15; Luke 6:13.

 

[bojack]

Mary of Magdala, Susanna, Joanna.
Seem?
Angry? Aren't people who respect the bible to be angry when it is misrepresented so as to impugn God's actual message? Is that wrong? Or is it righteous?
Do you know what the word apostle means? Sent one. Jesus sent his apostles to fulfill the mission of delivering the gospel to the world.
Mark 3:13-15; Luke 6:13.

Good to see you calmed down .. You agree Paul was an Apostle, good again .. Paul was sent to the gentiles and what better one to send than Paul, he knew the Jewish law probably better than the rest and could relate it better to the gentiles that they couldn't be fooled by the pharisees so easily ....