Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?
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Regarding the males being taught or having authority exercised over them, though, such as in settings like Sunday school or church camp.
Is there an age at which a male can say to his woman Sunday school teacher, you are not allowed to teach me anymore?
Or to the female camp counselor, you can't tell me what to do anymore?
Is there an age at which a male can say to his woman Sunday school teacher, you are not allowed to teach me anymore?
Or to the female camp counselor, you can't tell me what to do anymore?
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Bud:
Still waiting for the name of your Church, and for confirmation that the women who attend it DO NOT violate ANY of the teachings Paul gave to the Church at Corinth.
You also appear to not understand the difference between Commandments from God and opinions of people, including the opinions of Paul. Do you obey ALL of Gods Word?
Still waiting for the name of your Church, and for confirmation that the women who attend it DO NOT violate ANY of the teachings Paul gave to the Church at Corinth.
You also appear to not understand the difference between Commandments from God and opinions of people, including the opinions of Paul. Do you obey ALL of Gods Word?
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Women are forbidden to teach Sunday School. They are not to read or even own a Bible. IF they want to learn, they are to learn at home from their husbands. The are allowed to teach their daughters, but that is done at home, not in Church. For IF they teach in Church, they violate what Paul wrote.
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The Bible does not directly address either the question of a woman teaching teen boys or of when a boy becomes a man. In the Old Testament, 20 years old was considered old enough to serve in the military and to be counted in the census (Numbers 1:3)—so, young men of 20 years were considered adults. In the Mishnah the age of moral and religious responsibility was set at 13. But nowhere does the Bible specifically identify 20 or 18 or 13 or any other age as the age at which a boy becomes a man.
The Bible is clear that the formal position of “teacher” in a church must be occupied by a male if adult males are among the students. The Bible is less clear about when a boy becomes a man. Generally speaking, most churches that hold to complementarianism have male teachers in classes for junior high and high school if boys are in those classes. This seems to be a good policy to follow, as it avoids any possible violation of the Bible’s command concerning women shepherding men in the church. However, this does not preclude women from discipling, encouraging, rebuking, and providing guidance to young men. “Follow me as I follow Christ” is something every Christian is to emulate (1 Corinthians 11:1).
The Bible is clear that the formal position of “teacher” in a church must be occupied by a male if adult males are among the students. The Bible is less clear about when a boy becomes a man. Generally speaking, most churches that hold to complementarianism have male teachers in classes for junior high and high school if boys are in those classes. This seems to be a good policy to follow, as it avoids any possible violation of the Bible’s command concerning women shepherding men in the church. However, this does not preclude women from discipling, encouraging, rebuking, and providing guidance to young men. “Follow me as I follow Christ” is something every Christian is to emulate (1 Corinthians 11:1).
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Micah 6:4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.
Deborah held a position of judge over the whole people, but it was a secular position. However, leadership position before OT congregation is analogous to leadership position before NT congregation... If God says Miriam was sent to lead the congregation, who dares say that a woman cannot be called in this role again if God sees fit.
Deborah held a position of judge over the whole people, but it was a secular position. However, leadership position before OT congregation is analogous to leadership position before NT congregation... If God says Miriam was sent to lead the congregation, who dares say that a woman cannot be called in this role again if God sees fit.
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Yes, that would be a very literal reading of the scriptures!
And if an abused wife or child comes to you, be sure to tell them to return and submit.
But when a particular interpretation ends up going against that which is good and pure and beautiful, then it's time to use a different interpretation!
And if an abused wife or child comes to you, be sure to tell them to return and submit.
But when a particular interpretation ends up going against that which is good and pure and beautiful, then it's time to use a different interpretation!
Well, and I mean this as gently as possible, but this is exactly what I mean by "fudging".
How does anyone disciple, rebuke, and provide guidance without shepherding? Isn't provide guidance exactly what a Shepherd does?
How does a person disciple, rebuke, and provide guidance without accidentally teaching?
I attended a church for a while where officially women could not teach. But the mother of two of the elders could give a "mini sermon" at the end of the service, as long as it was called a "word of encouragement".
Husband and wife teams were allowed to teach adult Sunday School, so in practice the wife could teach as long as her husband was sitting next to her.
How does anyone disciple, rebuke, and provide guidance without shepherding? Isn't provide guidance exactly what a Shepherd does?
How does a person disciple, rebuke, and provide guidance without accidentally teaching?
I attended a church for a while where officially women could not teach. But the mother of two of the elders could give a "mini sermon" at the end of the service, as long as it was called a "word of encouragement".
Husband and wife teams were allowed to teach adult Sunday School, so in practice the wife could teach as long as her husband was sitting next to her.
These are similar to the practice of one church I attended. Officially, elders could only be male. However, the wives attended the elders' meetings, and their input was welcomed there. I challenged the pastor about this; his answer was that "they are wise and godly women, so their input is valuable". There was a congregational meeting one evening, where a discussion was to be held at tables. I suggested that one of the elders sit at each table as a note-taker; the pastor's response was that there weren't enough elders (he was discounting their wives). Rank hypocrisy. I still regret not calling him out on it right there.
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Jesus was 12 when he stated preaching the gospel .
I would offer. First and foremost we are to call no man or woman on earth Teacher. One is in heaven
We can preach the gospel and water it with the doctrines of God . But like Paul who did preach to Timothy. . . suffering as in birth pains in a hope Christ would teach Timothy. . forming . . .creating Christ in him.
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 6-7
So then it is not a matter of male or female. Who can teach who? . But Christ in us. Together as a new creature we represent a picture of His unseen chaste virgin bride to the world. Not a reflection of our glory we have none of our own.
Much has been destroyed by the misunderstanding of the new ceremonial laws (Corinthians 11:1) and the way the reformation is handled .Today it is almost as if there was not any in the 1st century. Much more focus on the 15 the century reformation as a copy of the true.
looking at the time period as to how the pagan form of government (kings in Israel ) as those who lord it over the flock before the reformation helps us understand the glory represented by the new ceremony. (Corinthians 11:1) One like never before or ever again Everyone was exited . Men and woman from all the nations can gathered as a sign that God is the God of all nations.
Some women prophetesses simply got carried away .She should of waited till they were home or he should of . . rather than distracting the focus of the cerebration. Again a picture to the world the gospel revealed to mankind .
Men lovingly can rule over the one that submit to his word and power to perform them . Like the Father and Son "the government of peace". But to Lord it over another, virtue is absent. The chaste virgin bride of Christ is the virtuous bride spoken of of Timothy.
2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Pastors is the ministry of two working together as one. No division in that way. Like Mary and Martha both kinds needed to do the work of one. David, loved Jonathan as his own soul. Deborah and Barak. Moses and Arron etc
It would seem that Eve also got over excited lost control and lorded it over her husband, they lost virtue.
I tired to Lord it over my wife once> LOL
I would offer. First and foremost we are to call no man or woman on earth Teacher. One is in heaven
We can preach the gospel and water it with the doctrines of God . But like Paul who did preach to Timothy. . . suffering as in birth pains in a hope Christ would teach Timothy. . forming . . .creating Christ in him.
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 6-7
So then it is not a matter of male or female. Who can teach who? . But Christ in us. Together as a new creature we represent a picture of His unseen chaste virgin bride to the world. Not a reflection of our glory we have none of our own.
Much has been destroyed by the misunderstanding of the new ceremonial laws (Corinthians 11:1) and the way the reformation is handled .Today it is almost as if there was not any in the 1st century. Much more focus on the 15 the century reformation as a copy of the true.
looking at the time period as to how the pagan form of government (kings in Israel ) as those who lord it over the flock before the reformation helps us understand the glory represented by the new ceremony. (Corinthians 11:1) One like never before or ever again Everyone was exited . Men and woman from all the nations can gathered as a sign that God is the God of all nations.
Some women prophetesses simply got carried away .She should of waited till they were home or he should of . . rather than distracting the focus of the cerebration. Again a picture to the world the gospel revealed to mankind .
Men lovingly can rule over the one that submit to his word and power to perform them . Like the Father and Son "the government of peace". But to Lord it over another, virtue is absent. The chaste virgin bride of Christ is the virtuous bride spoken of of Timothy.
2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Pastors is the ministry of two working together as one. No division in that way. Like Mary and Martha both kinds needed to do the work of one. David, loved Jonathan as his own soul. Deborah and Barak. Moses and Arron etc
It would seem that Eve also got over excited lost control and lorded it over her husband, they lost virtue.
I tired to Lord it over my wife once> LOL
They don't. But that's not an issue. We are supposed to imitate leaders/teachers to a degree (Heb 13:7). Many people function similarly as shepherd without having the position/office of a Shepherd. All church members should "teach and admonish one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs" (Col 3:16), yet "not many of you should become teachers" (Jas 3:1)...and all this should be done within God's intended design and roles for men and women (Gen 3, 1 Cor. 11; 14; Eph. 5; Col. 3; 1 Tim. 2; Titus 2; 1 Peter 3)
It's true that the anointing teaches us.
At the same time, there are also teachers on Earth.
2 Timothy 1: 11 For this, I was appointed as a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
1 Timothy 3: 2 The overseer therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, modest, hospitable, good at teaching.
Good at teaching why? Because sometimes they would teach.
At the same time, there are also teachers on Earth.
2 Timothy 1: 11 For this, I was appointed as a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
1 Timothy 3: 2 The overseer therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, modest, hospitable, good at teaching.
Good at teaching why? Because sometimes they would teach.
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I've already provided a document dealing with that objection. If you don't want to take the time to learn this, its your choice. But don't sit there, unwilling to be teachable, and just tell people their wrong without Scriptural substantiation and unwillingness to study the positions you don't agree with.