apostleship of Paul

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Amanuensis

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Paul was a Jew with a Roman citizenship.

Phil. 3: 4-6 .....If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.
But considered it all dung...
 

Grandpa

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Mark 10:18
No one [is] good but One, [that is,] God.

Do you believe this?
Yes or no?

Because that is essentially equivalent to Romans chapters 1-3

John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

Do you believe this?
Yes or no?

Because that is essentially equivalent to Romans chapters 4-8.
Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Reference Hebrews 4, 2 Corinthians 3, Galatians 3:23-26
 

GRACE_ambassador

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Paul was a self proclaimed apostle, even boasting to be the better one of the apostles. The true apostles were the ones personally appointed by Jesus Christ
Is The Bible not the True Word of God? If so, then God Teaches That Paul
was not 'self-proclaimed,' But Chosen By:

The Risen And Glorified LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself!:

Act 9:6 And he [Saul/Paul] trembling and astonished said, LORD,
what wilt thou have me to do? And The LORD Said Unto him, Arise,​
and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.​
Submission, NOT 'self-proclamation,' Correct, precious friend?:

Act 9:15 But The LORD Said Unto him [Ananias], Go thy way:​
for he is a Chosen vessel Unto Me, to bear My Name before​
the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:​

Unless The Bible is false, And The LORD JESUS CHRIST 'lied to us,' Correct?

GRACE And Peace...
 
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#44
false teachers who tried to teach things like antinomianism
Antinomianism and legalism are a false dichotomy. Antinomianism is often a misnomer used in a derogatory sense to try to shame people into practicing OT ordinances.

I have yet to find an example where someone held a position of genuine antinomianism.
 

Melach

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Why would I need to do that? I see no reason, as I have found Rightly Divided Dispensationalism does the following (at least for me):

Solves all the reigning [almost] 2000 years of Confusion over:

a) water baptism

b) sign gifts

c) end-times eschatology

Dispensationalism

GRACE And Peace...
it does solve it very easily, by picking and choosing. rejecting water baptism even though st.paul got water baptized and the jailer and his family also got water baptized in acts 16. all after the death burial and resurrection and even after calling of paul, meaning its in the church dispensation you guys invented. the sign gifts are also in paul's epistles, which is again, in this time period, but those you also reject.

as for eschatology, you guys really did figure it out by ignoring verses like 2 thessalonians 1:4-6
 
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Paul had a ministry to the Gentiles, many of the early Apostles stayed, at least early, in the lands of the Jews, giving the Gospel first to the nation of Israel. Paul, on the other hand, was apparently specifically pointed to seek Gentiles. I think that in most of his letters, he is giving education that a Gentile wouldn't have otherwise had on what holiness looks like to God.
I find more and more agreement with Jesus as I read what Paul is writing, as whole letters, not as single passages out of context.

We have to let "Scripture interpret Scripture"...
So, Jesus' and Paul's words regarding the Law work together, not against each other.
 
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#47
Acts 8:26-39
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26Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Get up and go south to the desert road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official in charge of the entire treasury of Candace,a queen of the Ethiopians. He had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 28and on his return was sitting in his chariot reading Isaiah the prophet.

29The Spirit said to Philip, “Go over to that chariot and stay by it.”
30So Philip ran up and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.
31“How can I,” he said, “unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

32The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture:
“He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
and as a lamb before the shearer is silent,
so He did not open His mouth.
33In His humiliation He was deprived of justice.
Who can recount His descendants?
For His life was removed from the earth.”
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34“Tell me,” said the eunuch, “who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?”
35Then Philip began with this very Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.

36As they traveled along the road and came to some water, the eunuch said, “Look, here is water! What is there to prevent me from being baptized?”c 38And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.

39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, but went on his way rejoicing.
 

Pilgrimshope

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"
...“Paul, an apostle, ( not of men, neither by man,​
but By Jesus Christ, and God the Father, Who​
Raised Him from the dead; )” (Gal. 1:1)...​

...As you read these opening words, you can almost hear the thunder in the
apostle’s voice as he declares in his opening salvo...

...Saul, a name that means desired...after he got saved, he began to go
by the name of Paul instead (Acts 13:9), a name that means small...Saul
no longer wanted to be desired of men; he now wanted to appear small in
their eyes that they might rather desire The LORD!...

...are you still seeking to be desired of men?...

...most Christians know that Paul asserts that salvation is by Grace through faith
without works (Rom. 4:5), but they also know that Chief Apostle James is just as
adamant that “faith without works is dead” (James 2:20).

So to homogenize these two opposite and contradictory messages they conclude
that Paul is talking about justification before God while James is addressing the
issue of justification before men, even though The LORD never asked anyone to
be justified before men—in fact, He condemned it (Luke 16:15)!

And on and on it goes, as futile attempts are made to try to blend Paul’s unique
message with the teachings of The LORD’s chiefest apostles, the other writers of
the New Testament. How much easier it would be to just acknowledge the
distinctive apostleship and message of the Apostle Paul—and how much
more Scriptural!...
"
(R Kurth)

FULL study link

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GRACE And Peace...
James is not the apostle James the apostle James was beheaded in the book of acts James Who wrote the epistle of James is one of Jesus earthly brothers not an apostle but honored among the apostles.

Paul’s place is the same as the other apostles

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He is one of the apostles it doesn’t matter icy apostle preaches the gospel it matters if they are preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ foretold in the prophets

Paul’s words

For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:9-11‬ ‭

no matter the apostle one hears the gospel from it makes no difference paul is no different from Peter , John , or James the apostle Matthew ect he’s one of the group of me. Jesus chose to share the gospel of the kingdom with all nations

And so what did he do ? He witnessed the gospel of the kingdom to everyone

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he taught the same things Jesus did repentance from evil , walking in the faith of the gospel , doing the good things Christ set before us to do

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The purpose of Christ coming and doing what he did is this

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When you read scripture d only accept what you think is relevant it distorts the entire message so when you try to acknowledge this part

“by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: “

and then make a whole message up about how grace means there are no worlds expected of believers relating to salvation , it’s because your rejecting the connected verses d distorting the actual message this goes with the prior verse people don’t think “ there are no works to do if we believe “


we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

that’s our role a believers to learn and walk in his ways taught to mankind in the gospel the deeds d actions of Gods children rather than sinful rebels following satans Will

either way people every day do works either good works or bad ones selfish or compassionate worthy or unworthy every day we produce works in some manner the gospel is about repenting from the bad deeds we used to freely do d not worry about , and start doing the things gs we learned from
Our lord and savior that he said leads to eternal
Life

the hyoergrace doctrine I think is starting to lose credibility with most of its audience lately I think people are starting to realize how Jesus said one thing about salvstion and hyoergrace authors sort of spend thier time explaining other ways to be saved apart from what the savior set before believers

I hope more people eventually see the circles hypergrace goes in to avoid what the lord himself said and what Paul actually taught also in his epistles because “ your saved by grace “ doesn’t even touch on anything he actually taught grace is and what it means and doesn’t mean it’s just a catch phrase it doesn’t eliminate the rest of what Paul said to quote the word grace