Antichrist

[Blain]

We have to remember that the bible foreshadows a lot, there have been types of antichrists in the bible to know if he will be a copy cat or the opposite we only have to look at those that were types of antchrists. personally I think that he will be the opposite not a copy and also he may very well come from persia

 

[GWH]

King Charles will be dead soon from cancer but his son could be someone to pay attention to.

Trump is suddenly Mr. Peace and the Middle East is in an uproar over it.

The new Pope could be the or at least a False Prophet knowing how he protected all of those Priests who were found guilty of molesting Altar boys.

Putin will likely die from his cancer eventually.

Schumer is beginning to be too old to change himself let alone lead anyone else.

Those others listed I doubt match the description given by Daniel.

Yes, but the only reason to remove them from the list of anti-Christs is if they confess faith in Jesus as Messiah.

 

[Omegatime]

The Antichrist however will be tolerant of everything for the first half of the Tribulation.

The covenant made in Daniel 9:27 will bring "peace and security for the first 3 1/2 years to Israel. But after the antichrist takes his seat in the Temple things change!

1 Thess 5:

We have to remember that the bible foreshadows a lot, there have been types of antichrists in the bible to know if he will be a copy cat or the opposite we only have to look at those that were types of antchrists. personally I think that he will be the opposite not a copy and also he may very well come from persia

3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape.

 

[Blain]

Yes but this is not speaking of the antichrist Jesus said this concerning the end times but not the antichrist

 

[Blain]

Yes, but the only reason to remove them from the list of anti-Christs is if they confess faith in Jesus as Messiah.

I think Trump could still be a potential person for it but honestly I hope not because as far as poltics go there are things I like about him but if he does end up being the antichrist I would not be that shocked

But even so if say the antichrist came from Israel itself that would make sense as they are still waiting for their messiah not Jesus but their own messiah

 

[MrE]

I see no reason to take everyone except Trump and perhaps the new pope off the list of anti-Christs.

Kind of a backwards way of saying it-- you are saying that you have taken Trump and (the new) Pope Leo off the list?

Why? --on what basis did you exclude those two and no others?

 

[Magenta]

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Did you mean to make a blank post? Because I can't see anything, though I'm wondering if it's because I'm on my phone... . I put the little dot inside the quote so the quote would show up, otherwise if there's nothing between the quote tags, no quote box appears...

 

[GWH]

Kind of a backwards way of saying it-- you are saying that you have taken Trump and (the new) Pope Leo off the list?

Why? --on what basis did you exclude those two and no others?

I have heard Trump express belief in Jesus and his policies promote biblical values

I saw an article this morning reporting that the new pope reaffirmed the biblical doctrine/definition of marriage,
although that is just a start, which is why I said "perhaps". Does your discernment differ?

 

[MrE]

I have heard Trump express belief in Jesus and his policies promote biblical values

I saw an article this morning reporting that the new pope reaffirmed the biblical doctrine/definition of marriage,
although that is just a start, which is why I said "perhaps". Does your discernment differ?

Ah.... I see. So to be taken off your list, all 'an antiChrist' would have to do, is express a belief in Jesus? --even the demons could do that, and shudder.

 

[Blain]

I have heard Trump express belief in Jesus and his policies promote biblical values

I saw an article this morning reporting that the new pope reaffirmed the biblical doctrine/definition of marriage,
although that is just a start, which is why I said "perhaps". Does your discernment differ?

Yes but satan knows and believes in Jesus what would set the person apart would be the exalting of themselves as God or Godlike. I think trump has thre arrogance to do that in him if the spirit of the antichrist enters into him

 

[GWH]

Ah.... I see. So to be taken off your list, all 'an antiChrist' would have to do, is express a belief in Jesus? --even the demons could do that, and shudder.

Well, regarding verification of sincere saving faith, I say the following:

No one achieves moral perfection in this life (PHP 3:12), but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (GL 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (PHP 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1CR 3:1-3, EPH 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1CR 6:9-11, EPH 5:8-9), or

d. a pseudo-Christian (MT 7:21, 1JN 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.

e. an apostate (1JN 2:19, HB 6:4-6), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1TM 1:19-20).

Perhaps demons could/should be listed as "f" rather than as "d".

 

[MrE]

Well, regarding verification of sincere saving faith, I say the following:

No one achieves moral perfection in this life (PHP 3:12), but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (GL 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (PHP 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1CR 3:1-3, EPH 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1CR 6:9-11, EPH 5:8-9), or

d. a pseudo-Christian (MT 7:21, 1JN 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.

e. an apostate (1JN 2:19, HB 6:4-6), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1TM 1:19-20).

Perhaps demons could/should be listed as "f" rather than as "d".

It's a silly list of meaningless criteria (in my opinion).

How many pastors, prophets, priests and puppets would you have to list as "antiChrists" based on those five items? No one needs the sincerity of their faith to be verified by you. You are not the judge of anyone but the man in the mirror.

Sincerity of faith is not a disqualifier. Righteous acts and even miracles will be part of the deception, the fraud and fakery.

I think a lot of people imagine a devil with horns-- (thanks LaHaye and Jenkins).

And- that's exactly why so many will be fooled into following.

 

[GWH]

It's a silly list of meaningless criteria (in my opinion).

How many pastors, prophets, priests and puppets would you have to list as "antiChrists" based on those five items? No one needs the sincerity of their faith to be verified by you. You are not the judge of anyone but the man in the mirror.

Sincerity of faith is not a disqualifier. Righteous acts and even miracles will be part of the deception, the fraud and fakery.

I think a lot of people imagine a devil with horns-- (thanks LaHaye and Jenkins).

And- that's exactly why so many will be fooled into following.

Yes, but your opinion is flawed, beginning with it being blind to my asking "Does your discernment differ?"

And ending with failure to discern that only d & e refer to anti-Christs, based on Scripture.

Yes, righteousness can be faked by the angel of light,
which is why Paul used a lot of ink explaining the criteria to use for discerning the Spirit of Christ,
such as Gal. 5:22-23, and Jesus commanded correct discernment in Matt. 7:3-5.

 

[MrE]

Yes, but your opinion is flawed, beginning with it being blind to my asking "Does your discernment differ?"

And ending with failure to discern that only d & e refer to anti-Christs, based on Scripture.

Yes, righteousness can be faked by the angel of light,
which is why Paul used a lot of ink explaining the criteria to use for discerning the Spirit of Christ,
such as Gal. 5:22-23, and Jesus commanded correct discernment in Matt. 7:3-5.

Got it. My opinion is flawed, because my discernment differs from........ yours? Such hubris.

 

[GWH]

Got it. My opinion is flawed, because my discernment differs from........ yours? Such hubris.

You project and fail to look in the mirror.
I have cited GW to support my views,
but you merely manifest a divisive spirit.

 

[MrE]

lol... okay Professor.

You project and fail to look in the mirror.
I have cited GW to support my views,
but you merely manifest a divisive spirit.

I'll quote myself (in the manner you do constantly)

No one needs the sincerity of their faith to be verified by you. You are not the judge of anyone but the man in the mirror.

No one needs "the sincerity of their faith" --or their "discernment" to be verified by you.

Ah-- there's that man in the mirror.

 

[GWH]

lol... okay Professor.



I'll quote myself (in the manner you do constantly)



No one needs "the sincerity of their faith" --or their "discernment" to be verified by you.

Ah-- there's that man in the mirror.

No, there's that failure to discern the meaning of words,
because you accused me of saying that discernment needs to be verified by me,
when what I said was that I have heard Trump express belief in Jesus and his policies promote biblical values
and that I saw an article this morning reporting that the new pope reaffirmed the biblical doctrine/definition of marriage,
which is why I said "perhaps", and then I asked whether your discernment differs.

Then you introduced the issue of verification by saying "So to be taken off your list, all 'an antiChrist' would have to do, is express a belief in Jesus? --even the demons could do that, and shudder.", to which I replied by sharing the list of situations in which souls might seem to be ungodly.

While I carried on a congenial discussion, you were throwing stones: "Such hubris."
Only in your eye.

 

[MrE]

No, there's that failure to discern the meaning of words,
because you accused me of saying that discernment needs to be verified by me,
when what I said was that I have heard Trump express belief in Jesus and his policies promote biblical values
and that I saw an article this morning reporting that the new pope reaffirmed the biblical doctrine/definition of marriage,
which is why I said "perhaps", and then I asked whether your discernment differs.

Then you introduced the issue of verification by saying "So to be taken off your list, all 'an antiChrist' would have to do, is express a belief in Jesus? --even the demons could do that, and shudder.", to which I replied by sharing the list of situations in which souls might seem to be ungodly.

While I carried on a congenial discussion, you were throwing stones: "Such hubris."
Only in your eye.

Dude-- you got upset--- why? Because someone "dared" to ask you a "why" question. That's hubris on fire, when you think you should never be questioned. Get hold of your ego.

 

[lrs68]

Yes, but the only reason to remove them from the list of anti-Christs is if they confess faith in Jesus as Messiah.

Charles Manson or Hitler could then be on that list according to the reason you provided and even though they're dead we know they were not the Antichrist.

 

[MrE]

Charles Manson or Hitler could then be on that list according to the reason you provided and even though they're dead we know they were not the Antichrist.

Yes, this was my only point, before "my discernment" was brought into question. It's a low bar.

Yes, but the only reason to remove them from the list of anti-Christs is if they confess faith in Jesus as Messiah.