Anne Frank In Hell
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Going to the source of him who has made the way..."least you be born again you may not enter the kingdom ".
Truly we may not know ones fate after death for this is the great mystery. Good works do not earn us salvation no matter the works. So the o.p. does suggest something that we all should ponder.
Truly we may not know ones fate after death for this is the great mystery. Good works do not earn us salvation no matter the works. So the o.p. does suggest something that we all should ponder.
No one was with that girl and her sister during their last days at Bergen Belsen. No one who knew and recorded their innermost thoughts anyway. Anne Frank was no longer writing. Her eternal fate is between her and The Lord. How can any of us know if she cried out to Jesus in her heart before death? There will have been more than a few of the six-million murdered who did just that. They were European Jews, they had heard of Jesus.
I have noticed a bit of dirt about Anne Frank circulating in the secular media this past 48 hrs. Coincidence? No. It just happens to be the 70th Anniversary of the modern state of Israel.
It's been obvious. The manufactured hatred of Israel and the Jewish people over the opening of the American Embassy in Jerusalem. The enemy will pull every dirty trick in the book to misrepresent the truth about Israel. This is all part of the campaign toward Holocaust denial. If they can erase that fact from historical memory they can pretend the creation of the modern State of Israel has no legitimacy.
I have noticed a bit of dirt about Anne Frank circulating in the secular media this past 48 hrs. Coincidence? No. It just happens to be the 70th Anniversary of the modern state of Israel.
It's been obvious. The manufactured hatred of Israel and the Jewish people over the opening of the American Embassy in Jerusalem. The enemy will pull every dirty trick in the book to misrepresent the truth about Israel. This is all part of the campaign toward Holocaust denial. If they can erase that fact from historical memory they can pretend the creation of the modern State of Israel has no legitimacy.
To repeat what the Bible says is not judging.
Or, better said, its a good way of judging things.
Many people like to think that people who look good in our eyes and who are clearly unbelievers, get, somehow, in the hour of death, the true faith. Which is possible, but impossible to prove by any fruit.
The question is, why would people showing no interest in truth and Christ, should so frequently come to Him in the last minute and what does it say about their "good" character.
Or, better said, its a good way of judging things.
Many people like to think that people who look good in our eyes and who are clearly unbelievers, get, somehow, in the hour of death, the true faith. Which is possible, but impossible to prove by any fruit.
The question is, why would people showing no interest in truth and Christ, should so frequently come to Him in the last minute and what does it say about their "good" character.
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Hi Budman,
I had to stop watching those documentaries after a while because they affected me, yet I won't ever forget what those poor people went through and I think we need to not hide from the gloomy aspects of life and human nature but do so moderately, so we don't lose our Joy and Hope.
As for doctrine, I think you should hold fast to sound doctrine, Truth and the whole counsel of God.
Hell is an unpleasant and uncomfortable subject.. But it is part and parcel of the Whole counsel of God and Truth, so please do stand firm in Truth, in Christ Jesus.
As for Ann Frank, who knows what was in her heart... Makes me think about all the secret believers in the persecuted places across the world, and how they can't openly express or live out their Faith in Christ freely. Yet in their heart they could be non-stop talking and praying to Jesus. In their hearts, in the secret place that only God Most High can truly see, they could totally Love Jesus and know and believe what He did for them.
It might have been too risky for Ann Frank to openly express her Faith in Jesus in that time and environment, but it doesn't mean she wasn't saved.. all she had to do was believe and her eternal fate was sealed. Thing is we just don't know 100% about whether she's saved or not, unless she openly proclaimed that she's believed on the finished work of Christ and His name which is Saviour anyway... I'm unsure whether she did that... Thing is, God knows who looks to Him whether openly or not...
I hope I've not said anything wrong regarding the way of Salvation, as I've had a bit of a refining time recently.
As for maybe not understanding as much as one thinks they do, hey there's nothing wrong with examining ourselves, or having a re-evaluation of where we're at.. Or even our worldview, or how we feel, think, perceive what we are taking in.. Whether it be a documentary, or a sermon, something that happens in life, or someone's post online.... That's why we need The Bible, Truth, the whole counsel of God and Holy Spirit to help us navigate through all these issues. Please keep looking to your Saviour for help, Truth, counsel for every question or concern you might have.
May God give you His Peace, comfort, understanding and counsel you in every matter that concerns you. I see your concerns for souls in the OP, and that's a great thing even if it's melancholic to care for the eternal fate of souls, it's a good thing to care.
Again, may God Most High help you regarding these things. God Bless.
I had to stop watching those documentaries after a while because they affected me, yet I won't ever forget what those poor people went through and I think we need to not hide from the gloomy aspects of life and human nature but do so moderately, so we don't lose our Joy and Hope.
As for doctrine, I think you should hold fast to sound doctrine, Truth and the whole counsel of God.
Hell is an unpleasant and uncomfortable subject.. But it is part and parcel of the Whole counsel of God and Truth, so please do stand firm in Truth, in Christ Jesus.
As for Ann Frank, who knows what was in her heart... Makes me think about all the secret believers in the persecuted places across the world, and how they can't openly express or live out their Faith in Christ freely. Yet in their heart they could be non-stop talking and praying to Jesus. In their hearts, in the secret place that only God Most High can truly see, they could totally Love Jesus and know and believe what He did for them.
It might have been too risky for Ann Frank to openly express her Faith in Jesus in that time and environment, but it doesn't mean she wasn't saved.. all she had to do was believe and her eternal fate was sealed. Thing is we just don't know 100% about whether she's saved or not, unless she openly proclaimed that she's believed on the finished work of Christ and His name which is Saviour anyway... I'm unsure whether she did that... Thing is, God knows who looks to Him whether openly or not...
I hope I've not said anything wrong regarding the way of Salvation, as I've had a bit of a refining time recently.
As for maybe not understanding as much as one thinks they do, hey there's nothing wrong with examining ourselves, or having a re-evaluation of where we're at.. Or even our worldview, or how we feel, think, perceive what we are taking in.. Whether it be a documentary, or a sermon, something that happens in life, or someone's post online.... That's why we need The Bible, Truth, the whole counsel of God and Holy Spirit to help us navigate through all these issues. Please keep looking to your Saviour for help, Truth, counsel for every question or concern you might have.
May God give you His Peace, comfort, understanding and counsel you in every matter that concerns you. I see your concerns for souls in the OP, and that's a great thing even if it's melancholic to care for the eternal fate of souls, it's a good thing to care.
Again, may God Most High help you regarding these things. God Bless.
The reason that I know is because I said a prayer for her salvation 10 minutes ago. God hears and answers all prayer according to His will and desire and it is stated in scripture that God's will and desire is that none shall perish but all will have eternal life. God heard this prayer even before He created the universe and I believe that according to the Word of God my prayer for salvation was considered and acted upon. Either God means what He says or He doesn't. Either Jesus died for our sins or He didn't. I chose to believe as led by the Holy Spirit on what is the truth of the matter and that truth is evident.
John 3:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
There is no evidence that she has proclaimed Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. But, apparently, she had access to a NT bible so it is possible she came to faith in the Lord. Maybe.
It is a good discussion to find out peoples thoughts on the different religions. And how they earn salvation.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
There is no evidence that she has proclaimed Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. But, apparently, she had access to a NT bible so it is possible she came to faith in the Lord. Maybe.
It is a good discussion to find out peoples thoughts on the different religions. And how they earn salvation.
I'm not directing God on who gets saved and who is lost but relying on scripture that God hears and answers all prayers that are aligned with His will and desire.
All we have on earth is our own understanding on any scriptural point regardless of what it may be. Everyone that searches the Word of God has their own understanding on what they are being led to believe by the Holy Spirit. This is not the same on leaning on our own worldly understanding but rather trusting and relying on the Word of God.
Does God hear our prayers and answers them or not? My understanding, based I what I believe that I have been led by the Holy Spirit, is that God does indeed hear and answer all prayers that are aligned in accordance to His expressed will and desire.
I agree with you that God's will has been accomplished and therefore the name of Anne Frank will remain in the Book of Life.
All we have on earth is our own understanding on any scriptural point regardless of what it may be. Everyone that searches the Word of God has their own understanding on what they are being led to believe by the Holy Spirit. This is not the same on leaning on our own worldly understanding but rather trusting and relying on the Word of God.
Does God hear our prayers and answers them or not? My understanding, based I what I believe that I have been led by the Holy Spirit, is that God does indeed hear and answer all prayers that are aligned in accordance to His expressed will and desire.
I agree with you that God's will has been accomplished and therefore the name of Anne Frank will remain in the Book of Life.
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Wow., My thoughts? I can REALLY relate to your post Budman. I go through those thoughts when the issues of life come rolling in especially about other people and those I love and know about. (and then I begin to think of the millions I don't know about) Innocents in the world like Anne Frank and millions of girls and boys like her. There have been BILLIONS since the world began.
Babies who are aborted or who have died in other ways., children who are sick and are dying of some illness like cancer or being tortured and abused. The injustise of it all! The magnitude of it all is overwhelming to the human mind and emotion and senses. I've noticed seeing these things in the world and the way it makes me feel (so sad and without answers) forces me to consider the overall BIGNESS of God.
I have worked on a daily basis with elderly people who were sent to a memory care facility. That forced me to consider the way human reason and emotion and even human dedication can't be depended on. The people I worked with used to BE accomplished individuals who did great things for society.
Their life long accomplishments were not known to many people anymore. Some worked for the American embassy in other countries in the 1940-50s. Some were military officers and traveled all over the world. They knew and rubbed elbows with the elite of the world. They had and lived out high standards for their lives. Respected and respectable human beings.
Major quality people who did amazing things in life. Yet., here they were when all was said and done.... in the winter of their lives., in a memory care unit all alone in need of my care.
Some even shunned by their families who they raised to be good citizens and MAJOR contributors to society. Some of the elderly people in memory care have family who could not handle being around them. Sons and daughters who just couldn't bear seeing their parents and many avoid the visits at all costs.
It was a major education for me to Learn about the lives many of these people lived. Often times they even saved others by their own personal behavior and kindnesses. Yet here they were in a place most people can't stand to even think of visiting because it's so scary. Their loved ones trapped., sitting in their room alone.
They often wander the halls at night checking all the doors and trying to go in. Humanly speaking they had lost their dignity and were not even recognizable to who they once were.
It really showed me how desperately we need Jesus. How God doesn't look on the outward of us but loves us unconditionally based on Himself not on us. Only He could manage to see through all the fog of this life that we see. We are totally blind and unable to manage on our own.
It came to me that God loves these elderly people so much He sent Jesus. They have nothing as far as being worthy goes. They can't respond to Him with something worthy of His time. And yet He loves them and Jesus died for them. I also compared my life to the lives of these accomplished people. They lived amazing lives at my age and contributed so much more than I ever could.
It boggles the human mind!!! How can any of us stand??? And while I considered these thoughts about life and Jesus over the months., I came to realize His love and grace is beyond human reason. AND THANK GOD IT IS!!!!! WOW.
It is very hard to look to the right and to the left here on earth. No wonder we are told in the Bible to not look any place but straight a head to Jesus. And strange and impossible as it may sound., it teaches us how to love others the way God loves us. The stark contrast of how undeserving and unlovely and even UGLY we humans are ...and yet God's pure love is unmerited... unearned by us is poured out on us.!
It really shows what the meaning of God's grace in Christ is. And it really shows how learning about grace DOES teach us how to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. Seeing this kind of love doesn't make a believer want to sin., it causes us to want to live righteously. And His love does motivate and constrain us. Consider it pure joy. Only by grace can we do that.
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Babies who are aborted or who have died in other ways., children who are sick and are dying of some illness like cancer or being tortured and abused. The injustise of it all! The magnitude of it all is overwhelming to the human mind and emotion and senses. I've noticed seeing these things in the world and the way it makes me feel (so sad and without answers) forces me to consider the overall BIGNESS of God.
I have worked on a daily basis with elderly people who were sent to a memory care facility. That forced me to consider the way human reason and emotion and even human dedication can't be depended on. The people I worked with used to BE accomplished individuals who did great things for society.
Their life long accomplishments were not known to many people anymore. Some worked for the American embassy in other countries in the 1940-50s. Some were military officers and traveled all over the world. They knew and rubbed elbows with the elite of the world. They had and lived out high standards for their lives. Respected and respectable human beings.
Major quality people who did amazing things in life. Yet., here they were when all was said and done.... in the winter of their lives., in a memory care unit all alone in need of my care.
Some even shunned by their families who they raised to be good citizens and MAJOR contributors to society. Some of the elderly people in memory care have family who could not handle being around them. Sons and daughters who just couldn't bear seeing their parents and many avoid the visits at all costs.
It was a major education for me to Learn about the lives many of these people lived. Often times they even saved others by their own personal behavior and kindnesses. Yet here they were in a place most people can't stand to even think of visiting because it's so scary. Their loved ones trapped., sitting in their room alone.
They often wander the halls at night checking all the doors and trying to go in. Humanly speaking they had lost their dignity and were not even recognizable to who they once were.
It really showed me how desperately we need Jesus. How God doesn't look on the outward of us but loves us unconditionally based on Himself not on us. Only He could manage to see through all the fog of this life that we see. We are totally blind and unable to manage on our own.
It came to me that God loves these elderly people so much He sent Jesus. They have nothing as far as being worthy goes. They can't respond to Him with something worthy of His time. And yet He loves them and Jesus died for them. I also compared my life to the lives of these accomplished people. They lived amazing lives at my age and contributed so much more than I ever could.
It boggles the human mind!!! How can any of us stand??? And while I considered these thoughts about life and Jesus over the months., I came to realize His love and grace is beyond human reason. AND THANK GOD IT IS!!!!! WOW.
It is very hard to look to the right and to the left here on earth. No wonder we are told in the Bible to not look any place but straight a head to Jesus. And strange and impossible as it may sound., it teaches us how to love others the way God loves us. The stark contrast of how undeserving and unlovely and even UGLY we humans are ...and yet God's pure love is unmerited... unearned by us is poured out on us.!
It really shows what the meaning of God's grace in Christ is. And it really shows how learning about grace DOES teach us how to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. Seeing this kind of love doesn't make a believer want to sin., it causes us to want to live righteously. And His love does motivate and constrain us. Consider it pure joy. Only by grace can we do that.
