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This thread and those of us (including self) reading and posting give this ungodly nut case a platform are out of line. This verbal trash is being read by anyone across the world and we are feeding the troll.
And doing untold damage to babes in the Lord and those guests that come here in an honest search for GOD.
 

hornetguy

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If I remember right, he has been a believer for about a year.
He came here expressing doubts about his salvation status... which quickly morphed into "I am a prophet who has been called to go to a dangerous place and put my life on the line"

Personally, I sense a troll with a persecution complex.... who delights in kicking the hornet's nest....
Just sayin....
 

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The think about the unjust judge parable is that it does open up a question of there being one axiomatic postulate that a legal case stems from. That is how the American Judiciary works. All cases are decided on a single point of law, the preponderance of evidence, and reasoned testimony argued to proof beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt are a priori to the fact of judgement. But judgement is axiomatic, what point of law is in danger from the criminal or the injustice before the court? It will only be one point that a judge decides, the single principle at stake for the state, which was weighed against the victimhood of the wronged party and the magnitude of the crime itself.
 

posthuman

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The born again athiest who speaks a prophesy.

The Parable of the Persistent Widow
18 Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2 He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. 3 And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’ ( this lady was also praying for God to speak).

4 “For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”

6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says (the born again athiest where The spirit had spoke through him.);. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”
the unjust judge did not become a believer - you are very much mistaken on that point.
the text is explicit that he neither feared God nor had respect for others.

he gave the widow justice only because he wanted her to stop bothering him.
he remained evil -- doing and thinking evil. he did this from vanity, not righteousness.

if even the wicked will eventually concede justice for their own selfish ends, won't God, who is not evil, also bring about justice?
 

Fundaamental

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Wow... that's a new way to present yourself as unteachable. What do you do to people who disagree with you in real life?


From what Scripture verses do you draw these assertions? I don't see anything in my Bible teaching such.


While we should be cautious about adopting the title of "prophet" for ourselves, Scripture does use it of certain Christians (Agabus, for one) so it is a legitimate role-title in the Church.


It appears that you missed the fact that this is a parable. It's not literal history, but rather a story designed to convey a particular truth. There is no such thing as a "born again atheist".
I'm sorry for not fully revealing the prophecy sooner, the lord told me to withhold.

The Parable of the Persistent Widow Luke.
18 Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2 He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. 3 And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’ ( this lady was also praying for God to speak).

4 “For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”

6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says (the born again athiest where The spirit had spoke through him.);. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

Here is where the true story is found.

Isaiah 10

Woe to those who make unjust laws,
to those who issue oppressive decrees,
2 to deprive the poor of their rights
and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
making widows their prey
and robbing the fatherless.

See above you see the unjust and widows.

Ok friend😊 is it still fictional now.
 

hornetguy

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Come up with some kind of special reason why something in scripture happened as an excuse to rule out that scripture being 'profitable for doctrine' in other ways is a poor approach to scripture, especially if the reason one argues for is unrevealed-- the Bible doesn't teach it.
Explaining "why" something happened in scripture is our task... we must study the scripture with the indwelling Spirit as our guide.
Most things we read about are primarily just what they seem to be, and they need to be explained that way. Then we can go into nuance about fringe comparisons...
If you tell the story of Jonah, it's pretty straightforward... you tell his story. It means what it means. Then, as believers we learn that it is a foreshadowing of the death of Jesus. We don't discount the original story... it still means what it means, but it takes on extra meaning with Jesus.
Same thing with Noah.... his story is self explanatory.... the fringe story is that they were saved through water, just as we are saved through the waters of baptism.
We don't say, "well, Noah built the ark, etc, just to show us that baptism is important"
You cannot discount the main, original intent of the story....
The original intent of the story was to show the Jewish Christians that Gentiles were accepted by God. The reason for that event was NOT to show that "you can get the Spirit before baptism"
 

hornetguy

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I'm sorry for not fully revealing the prophecy sooner, the lord told me to withhold.
As I stated above.... from "am I saved" to full blown prophet in a couple of weeks, max...
He is either seriously delusional, or he's playing us all for fools. Probably both.
 

ResidentAlien

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I told the OP from the get-go I knew the only reason he was here was to run his mouth. Now who's the prophet?
 

Flannery

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The gifts given to each member of the church are permanent gifts. Designed to build the spiritual church.

2 Corinthians 12:27-28
Now you are Christ’s body, and individually parts of it. And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, and various kinds of tongues.

Anyone can seek the higher gifts which Paul encourages.

The greatest gift above them all is?
Are they not given to the church as a body of believers though? Its logical to think so, because the gifts of the spirit to the church are enumerated just before a speech on the members of the churches as individuals all being as close to each other's and needed by each other as each of the organs in your body, integrated together into one by the spiritual gifts the same way your physiological systems keep you together as a person.
 

presidente

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I'm sorry for not fully revealing the prophecy sooner, the lord told me to withhold.

The Parable of the Persistent Widow Luke.
18 Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2 He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. 3 And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’ ( this lady was also praying for God to speak).

4 “For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”

6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says (the born again athiest where The spirit had spoke through him.);. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

Here is where the true story is found.

Isaiah 10

Woe to those who make unjust laws,
to those who issue oppressive decrees,
2 to deprive the poor of their rights
and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
making widows their prey
and robbing the fatherless.

See above you see the unjust and widows.

Ok friend😊 is it still fictional now.
I think it was a parable, but one about the kind of thing that might happen, and probably did happen, in real life.

And there was probably some father with two sons who told one son to go work in the fields who said he wasn't going to who worked in the field, and another who said he would, but then did not.
There were probably also sowers who sewed seed on the four types of group Jesus described.
 

presidente

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Explaining "why" something happened in scripture is our task... we must study the scripture with the indwelling Spirit as our guide.
Most things we read about are primarily just what they seem to be, and they need to be explained that way. Then we can go into nuance about fringe comparisons...
If you tell the story of Jonah, it's pretty straightforward... you tell his story. It means what it means. Then, as believers we learn that it is a foreshadowing of the death of Jesus. We don't discount the original story... it still means what it means, but it takes on extra meaning with Jesus.
Same thing with Noah.... his story is self explanatory.... the fringe story is that they were saved through water, just as we are saved through the waters of baptism.
We don't say, "well, Noah built the ark, etc, just to show us that baptism is important"
You cannot discount the main, original intent of the story....
The original intent of the story was to show the Jewish Christians that Gentiles were accepted by God. The reason for that event was NOT to show that "you can get the Spirit before baptism"
Peter spoke of repenting, being baptized and receiving the Holy Ghost. He said that baptism was for them that are 'afar off.' Paul called Gentiles 'afar off.'

My concern is with people making up a reason, or picking out a genuine true reason, something happened and trying to use that to do away with other genuine interpretations and applications of said scripture. I see that line of reasoning from time to time.

God is sovereign and if He empowered some people in the past to speak in tongues without their first being baptized in water first, we have no reason to say God does not do such things.
 
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I'm sorry for not fully revealing the prophecy sooner, the lord told me to withhold.
could you "please" explain how this happened, how the lord [told me]...
in person?
audible?
still small voice?
sort of mental awakening where something just made sense?
a cherry end to a glass pipe exhaling smoke rings?
:unsure:
 

Magenta

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We are all hear news about rulings from federal courts including the Supreme Court as well.
It's possible that Jesus' audience was familiar with unjust judges in their own society.

Habakkuk 1:3-4
 

Fundaamental

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I really think there's a learning curb, in understanding exactly how prophecies are fulfilled.

Or not understandung or not seeing a prophecy in the old testament.

Isaiah is famous for prohesy one being the coming of the lord.😊

Look I'm going to explain it one last time
Prohesy and a true story in the old t
Isaiah 10
Woe to those who make unjust laws,
to those who issue oppressive decrees,
2 to deprive the poor of their rights
and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
making widows their prey
and robbing the fatherless.

Notice the words unjust people above forcing unjust laws,
Which is also refering to unjust Judges, then notice widows not being treated appropriately or unbelievers.

Now let's look where this prophecy was fulfilled.

The Parable of the Persistent Widow luke
18 Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2 He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. 3 And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’
4 “For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”
6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth.

Now can you see that this parable is a true story not fictional.
Not a perception of a idea but actually Jesus speaking through those unjust Judges.
 

Flannery

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I really think there's a learning curb, in understanding exactly how prophecies are fulfilled.

Or not understandung or not seeing a prophecy in the old testament.

Isaiah is famous for prohesy one being the coming of the lord.😊

Look I'm going to explain it one last time
Prohesy and a true story in the old t
Isaiah 10
Woe to those who make unjust laws,
to those who issue oppressive decrees,
2 to deprive the poor of their rights
and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
making widows their prey
and robbing the fatherless.

Notice the words unjust people above forcing unjust laws,
Which is also refering to unjust Judges, then notice widows not being treated appropriately or unbelievers.

Now let's look where this prophecy was fulfilled.

The Parable of the Persistent Widow luke
18 Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2 He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. 3 And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’
4 “For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”
6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth.

Now can you see that this parable is a true story not fictional.
Not a perception of a idea but actually Jesus speaking through those unjust Judges.
I don't know about the prophetic meaning. As a prophecy, and you are asking "Am I a prophet?" of yourself, the question on the blackboard is, "is this happening now, and getting ready to happen in the near future." Unfortunately, I'm one of those horrid Bible as literature people, this passage reminds me of the name at least of Justinian. Justinian was a pagan and a foreign agent to Israel, being from Rome. Justinan admired Socrates, also a Pagan, and from Greece, which is not the same country as Israel. Socrates believed that the highest good was Justice. Perhaps what the Rabbi wants to say is that Israel has always been a nation, since the time of Moses. Israel has always had diplomacy and trade with other states, but it has also been betrayed from within before. Such a thing gets in the way of diplomacy.
 
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Isaiah, was pronouncing the judgement of God against unjust judges. Not a specific judge, but all judges who are unjust.
Unjust judges were and are a reality.
The parable Jesus told was also not about a specific judge, but was a story that conveys a principle. A common well known human condition fact of unjust judges, and their exploitation of the vulnerable. In contrast to God who gives justice swiftly.
 

Flannery

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Isaiah, was pronouncing the judgement of God against unjust judges. Not a specific judge, but all judges who are unjust.
Unjust judges were and are a reality.
The parable Jesus told was also not about a specific judge, but was a story that conveys a principle. A common well known human condition fact of unjust judges, and their exploitation of the vulnerable. In contrast to God who gives justice swiftly.
Unjust judges are a dime a dozen? I can see what you're saying perfectly, I just don't really like pithy remarks (although I use them) or crossover comparisons between accounting and other professions. That's really out of order, it makes the security at the banks to be under threat, it causes easy secrecy. Also, I'm not in accounting as a profession myself, and I know the difference between what a bookkeeper and a psychiatrist say about numbers. I can also tell a three-page paper by an engineer who uses weights and measures in his profession from one by an attorney, who wants the court to weight testimony by precedence and measure the times passing between incidents and reports. That one is really messy. Also, it's legally judicial malfeasance, the practice of using one kind of professional vocabulary to substitute for another. Politically speaking, it's called a cover up.