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***1 Peter 2:9 “But you are
a chosen generation,
a royal priesthood,
and holy nation a peculiar people,
that you should show forth the praises of Him Who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.”
***John 16:13 says that The Holy Spirit says what He hears (even though He knows all of God the Father's truths)
and Who He hears is Jesus Christ
Who had human experience and so knows the right timing for each of us
to get truths and guidance from The Holy Spirit when we are living Proverbs 3:5-6.
***The New Testament does not teach “Automatic Sanctification”.
A true Christian can be perfect only when he or she is sensitive to The Holy Spirit and Scripture
and doing what is being urged by them because they are perfect.
Anyone can be temporarily perfect
like in a 10 question quiz given by s teacher,
but true Christians are saved by God's Grace
for doing His predestined/preplanned works for each of His adopted children. See Ephesians 2:8-10.
Matthew 5:20
“For I say to you that unless your righteousness shall exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees,
you shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.”
(Attitudes and motives count according to God.)
Matthew 5:48
“Therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.”
John 14:15 & 21
Jesus Christ said,
“If you love Me,
keep My commandments.
He [or she] who has My commandments and keeps them,
he [or she] it is who loves Me;
and he [or she] who loves Me shall be loved of My Father,
and I will love him [or her], and will manifest Myself to him [or her].”
***I thought that I had heard and read all aspects of the Prodigal Son parable.
But I happened to hear something new last night via 3ABN Internet TV:
The prodigal son learned something his brother hadn't--
that real freedom was in being with his Father and submitting to his commandments.
That goes along with what Jesus Christ said in John 14-16 and what Galatians 5 indicates.
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As one person stated from Titus 2. Grace is a teacher teaching us to say no to ourselves and yes to the Spirit of Christ that dwells in these earthen bodies .It the work of the faith of Christ that works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure. Grace is the reward of Christ's three day labor of love or work of faith Our new born faith is not of our own selves. He is the rewarder of our faith as the one who pays the wage.
Without his faithfulness working in us. We would have no way of knowing or how to diligently seek after Him .He draws us to Him so that we can believe.
Faith that does not produce works is dead. No life.
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.Hebrews11: 6
Without his faithfulness working in us. We would have no way of knowing or how to diligently seek after Him .He draws us to Him so that we can believe.
Faith that does not produce works is dead. No life.
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.Hebrews11: 6
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I wonder who relayed that information seeing we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. Perhaps a lying angel?
Because God is no longer bringing any new revelations as prophecy . It does not mean that the god of experiences, the god of this world does not have nothing to add in order to sway men away from the book of prophecy that is sealed up till the end of time.
Its easy for him to bring in a vision or out of the body experience As he did with the Son of man, Jesus in Mathew 4. But Jesus paid no attentions to those illusions of the things not really there . Three times the father strengthened the Son and inspired him the words as it is written and again as it is written. The father of lies left .He is the god of experience. . no faith needed to please him Come as you are kind of mentality.
There is always the danger of Colossians 2:18 that we should be aware of as to how we hear and see. The same danger Jesus avoided in Mathew 4
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Colossians 2:18
Because God is no longer bringing any new revelations as prophecy . It does not mean that the god of experiences, the god of this world does not have nothing to add in order to sway men away from the book of prophecy that is sealed up till the end of time.
Its easy for him to bring in a vision or out of the body experience As he did with the Son of man, Jesus in Mathew 4. But Jesus paid no attentions to those illusions of the things not really there . Three times the father strengthened the Son and inspired him the words as it is written and again as it is written. The father of lies left .He is the god of experience. . no faith needed to please him Come as you are kind of mentality.
There is always the danger of Colossians 2:18 that we should be aware of as to how we hear and see. The same danger Jesus avoided in Mathew 4
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Colossians 2:18
I have said this at least several times before. So, I'll expect 'attacks" from the "usual suspects", for saying this again.
I cannot argue against "grace only" preaching. Inasmuch as we are "saved by God's gift of grace" for whosoever will may come.
I will however, take Paul's side/appeal in his argument, cuz yeah! Paul "seen" this too!
Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Seems Paul has been "spying" right here in CC!
Being stuck in the ditch, by their blind teachings/shepherdings?
Moving beyond "the principle doctrines of Christ" (salvation by grace through faith), towards prefection/maturity, is, to put it quite simply? A crest in their ditch, that is just TOO HIGH for them to tackle! (Hebrews 6:1)
But this does not keep them from their "attempts" in tackling everyone else who does, what they themselves, who "cover themselves" in the "blanket of willful ignorance/blindness", believing that to be faith and grace. Calling themselves "saved!" Are prevented from doing! Which is, becoming "spiritually mature."
Isaiah 28
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
When their "nakedness is exposed?" They become "all the angrier!"
Ezekiel 13
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
I cannot argue against "grace only" preaching. Inasmuch as we are "saved by God's gift of grace" for whosoever will may come.
I will however, take Paul's side/appeal in his argument, cuz yeah! Paul "seen" this too!
Romans 6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Seems Paul has been "spying" right here in CC!
Being stuck in the ditch, by their blind teachings/shepherdings?
Moving beyond "the principle doctrines of Christ" (salvation by grace through faith), towards prefection/maturity, is, to put it quite simply? A crest in their ditch, that is just TOO HIGH for them to tackle! (Hebrews 6:1)
But this does not keep them from their "attempts" in tackling everyone else who does, what they themselves, who "cover themselves" in the "blanket of willful ignorance/blindness", believing that to be faith and grace. Calling themselves "saved!" Are prevented from doing! Which is, becoming "spiritually mature."
Isaiah 28
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
When their "nakedness is exposed?" They become "all the angrier!"
Ezekiel 13
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
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I also like this verse in Romans 6:
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? ...
Seems to me at some point we just get tired of doing things for which we end up feeling "ashamed".
At some point, we will love the fellowship with Father and Son (1 John 1:3) more than we love the sin which hinders us from that fullness of joy.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? ...
Seems to me at some point we just get tired of doing things for which we end up feeling "ashamed".
At some point, we will love the fellowship with Father and Son (1 John 1:3) more than we love the sin which hinders us from that fullness of joy.
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Let's start with:
"S-- Search the New Testament especially for the 1050 commandments. (Need to know what pleases God.)"
Even the Pharisees, whom Jesus judged as workers of woe, (Luke 11:37-54) only had to obey 611 commands to be righteous. This is a completely works based statement.
Yes, we do have to obey God, and his Word, but phrased like this, it is a work list that you must check off to be saved, so I object to it!
Then there is:
"I-- Intellectualism is not very important compared to Christian Sanctification."
Stupidest thing I have read in a LONG time! Besides the fact that it is clear part of our sanctification is dependent on the renewing of our mind (Romans 12:2) and studying the Word. (2 Tim. 3:16-17) Sorry buddy, you don't get sanctified without learning and studying the Bible. In fact, most people here, except perhaps, new Christians, have spent a lot of time using their brains (also known as intellect) to study the Bible! That includes everyone from all stripes and theologies, including the ones I don't agree with!
Then, we move to the hysterically absurd in the next acronym:
"B-- Bible understanding and obeying is so important."
I don't disagree at all. But seriously, it is saying the exact opposite of the letter one above it. Anti-intellectual means you do not study the Bible to show yourself a worker approved. So, a complete conflict with the letter I.
A little more thought would have helped this acronym stay faithful to the Bible, instead of a bunch of made up nonsense.
"S-- Search the New Testament especially for the 1050 commandments. (Need to know what pleases God.)"
Even the Pharisees, whom Jesus judged as workers of woe, (Luke 11:37-54) only had to obey 611 commands to be righteous. This is a completely works based statement.
Yes, we do have to obey God, and his Word, but phrased like this, it is a work list that you must check off to be saved, so I object to it!
Then there is:
"I-- Intellectualism is not very important compared to Christian Sanctification."
Stupidest thing I have read in a LONG time! Besides the fact that it is clear part of our sanctification is dependent on the renewing of our mind (Romans 12:2) and studying the Word. (2 Tim. 3:16-17) Sorry buddy, you don't get sanctified without learning and studying the Bible. In fact, most people here, except perhaps, new Christians, have spent a lot of time using their brains (also known as intellect) to study the Bible! That includes everyone from all stripes and theologies, including the ones I don't agree with!
Then, we move to the hysterically absurd in the next acronym:
"B-- Bible understanding and obeying is so important."
I don't disagree at all. But seriously, it is saying the exact opposite of the letter one above it. Anti-intellectual means you do not study the Bible to show yourself a worker approved. So, a complete conflict with the letter I.
A little more thought would have helped this acronym stay faithful to the Bible, instead of a bunch of made up nonsense.
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Yep. Most think they need to park their brains when they become "Christians." This is why so many are lost in out of context "Christian" beliefs and balk when presented with truth. As Peter said, grow in grace AND knowledge, 2 Peter 3:18. 2 Peter 1:5 as well, and this knowledge is not verses out of context as many of the non-Reformed practice in a simpleton-esque belief system.
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As for this whole dichotomy some people are talking about, grace is given by God, in order that we might repent. I disagree with anyone who says repentance is not necessary. But it is NOT a work. It is the grace of God, through the power of the Holy Spirit that allows us to repent! I agree there is no salvation without repentance. But God is the one who enables us to repent of our sins. Without him, it would be works.
"Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?" Romans 2:4
So clearly, we MUST repent, but without God LEADING us to repentance, it cannot be done.
"Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?" Romans 2:4
So clearly, we MUST repent, but without God LEADING us to repentance, it cannot be done.
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Repentance like any other good work is a work that God works in us with us to both will and perform his good pleasure. Our imputed righteousness
Hebrews informs us of the better thing that accompanies salvation. He will not forget the good works that he works in us that we have offered towards his name .Not of our selves.
As always he must do the first work of knowing Him.
Hebrews informs us of the better thing that accompanies salvation. He will not forget the good works that he works in us that we have offered towards his name .Not of our selves.
As always he must do the first work of knowing Him.
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