Adultery in Matt 5:28

[Pilgrimshope]

I dont think you understand how blasphemous it is for you to say that.

Christ is God. There is never a time when He is not God. God does not have trouble or trepidation carrying out His will.
You should read the Bible with the thought that He is God. You won't understand it correctly when you don't. You'll fall into all kinds of errors of interpretation like 'the LORD God Almighty was afraid and doubting & almost couldn't handle it.'

um no I don’t feel it’s “ blasphemous “ to consider the scriptures true I think it’s an issue for one Christian to not grasp something and accuse of blasphemy however


Know how you insist doctrine has to be Jesus was never tempted ? This is doctrine you are disagreeing with it

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is the Bible explaining blasphemy because it makes plain he was tempted the same way we are yet he was without sin ?

I honestly think you are not correct when it’s right there . but I don’t feel as if you are committing some sin like blasphemy . Your argument is based on temped “ being “ tested “ that’s what temptation is test of ones faith to money what God said , r obey the temptation Satan is whispering

Jesus was tempted like we are

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you can’t accept it it isn’t my fault brother and it doesn’t make it blasphemous because you can’t accept it

you shouldn’t have to ignore the plain word tommake sense of it


it’s plain doctrine Jesus was tempted in every way we are , the difference is he didn’t sin. That makes him worthy high priest who went through temptation and overcame it never sinning

as far as your claim of blasphemy read the scriptures Jesus was in a very hard struggle between his humanity his flesh and his spirit he actually asked God to take away what he has to endure gain very plainly that should tell you that he was struggling with it but obeyed anyways


“Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:38-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬


what do you see there ? Why was Jesus so stressed out and asking God if it’s possible to take away what he was going into ?

he asked God of there was any other way to take his cup , but if there wasn’t he was willing to do it if you look you can see his struggle

“O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

then he sees his disciples fallen asleeep and returns and the prayer changes a bit


“He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:42‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s not blasphemous to acknowledge Jesus went through a war for us and won he didn’t just float along he was made under the law , that makes him subject to temptation

you should be careful about labeling blasphemy on others it’s a bad move unless they are somehow cursing the Holy Spirit

 

[posthuman]

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

"tested"

the entire context all around this verse is priesthood. a priest is not "tempted" when consecrated. He is tested

exactly the same word here:

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. ​

(2 Corinthians 13:5) ​

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so both in grammar and in context.


and here is the final nail in this ubiquitous false teaching:

God cannot be tempted​

(James 1:13)​

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if we insist that Christ was tempted, we deny His deity -- which is categorically blasphemy and which means we die in our sins ((John 8:24))
when you reject the deity of Christ, you do not understand what you are reading.

 

[soberxp]

And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.-Luke 4:12

 

[posthuman]

Now the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was near. Then Jesus lifted up His eyes, and seeing a great multitude coming toward Him, He said to Philip, ​

“Where shall we buy bread, that these may eat?” ​

But this He said to test him, for He Himself knew what He would do.​

(John 6:4-6)​

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exactly the same word used in Matthew 4 & Hebrews 4.
God does not tempt anyone nor can He Himself be tempted.

is Christ God?
or is Christ tempted and a tempter?
it's that simple.

 

[posthuman]

And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.-Luke 4:12

test

He quotes this:

Do not test the LORD your God as you tested Him at Massah ​

(Deuteronomy 6:16)​

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[Pilgrimshope]

"tested"

the entire context all around this verse is priesthood. a priest is not "tempted" when consecrated. He is tested

exactly the same word here:

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. ​

(2 Corinthians 13:5) ​

​

so both in grammar and in context.


and here is the final nail in this ubiquitous false teaching:

God cannot be tempted​

(James 1:13)​

​

if we insist that Christ was tempted, we deny His deity -- which is categorically blasphemy and which means we die in our sins ((John 8:24))
when you reject the deity of Christ, you do not understand what you are reading.

what difference do you find in the temptation Jesus faced and what all
Men face ? Temptation is a test of Gods word v satans idea it always has been

in the beginning God said “ all things are yours man but you must not eat of this one tree or you will certainly die “


Then Satan came to tempt Adam through eve and said “ you will not die if you eat the fruit it will make toy
Like gods “

Adam was tempted with satans idea. ADam failed the “ test”

it’s exactly the same for Jesus he was tempted by satans ideas , but Jesus didn’t follow satans idea he responded to the “ test” with Gods word and chose what God said . If you Look he did it three times referred to Gods word en Satan “ tested” his faith through his flesh

each time he responded with Gods word , Adam did not nor eve they accepted the “ temptation “ and failed the test .

Jesus didn’t . Here’s another perfect example of Jesus being offered something “ temptation “ and responding with Gods word

The re other ion ends after Jesus overcomes it

“Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the devil was there with him for the sake of tempting his flesh through hunger to break his fast , Jesus overcame by Gods word .

he tempted him to put God to the test Jesus responded with Gods word and overcame the temptation

then offered him the fallen world if he would turn and worship him rather than God , that’s again a tempting offer it’s testing Jesus faith that’s all temptation is

it’s not sin to be tempted , it’s sin to serve the temptation like eve and Adam and we all have at some point.

the devil does ten same thing To us “
I can get that great job of I lie on my resume and make up things that aren’t true “ thats a temptation because we understand lying is sin it’s a test for the person “ will they be as Adam or as Christ When tempted ? Or for your sake “ tested whether to sin or not “

if Satan came and asked you e same things he would be tempting you and then if you went with his words and his way you would be sinning against Gods word of life that’s true

the fruits deadly

no it isn’t

that’s the test whos wisdom we gonna listen to and follow our creator or the other guy ? That’s the mystery of all things for man hear what God said about things and believe that way then we’re on guard and can just kill the darn serpent whe. He starts lying to us bout things

being tempted is a test of our faith it’s the same for Jesus he did everything he did by faith

 

[Hungry]

If someone just looks at a woman/man and then lusts.. its adultery. I'm only guessing but married or not I don't think they would like anyone Justing, picturing all kind of things about them.. ..its adultery and creepy. That guilt is just another thing Christ did die for. He does not ever make us feel guilty or condemn us.

In also searching the word does mean woman can also mean wife so forth so on. In over 25 different versions of the word not one ever says "wife". Its wrong period. As if just making up some person in our mind is ok? No..never.

You do know one can look at a woman/man even think.. WOW he/she is hot and never have one lustful thought. Just bind it in JESUS Name if that happens and STOP looking lol. Theres more to this.. its not just some simple thought and it is NOT something anyone can control. It will at some point control you.

Here’s the breakdown:

bride (1), wife (71), wife's (1), wives (11), woman (96), woman's (1), women (33).

Women don’t mind being looked at by men that interest them. The cosmetic and fashion industry is huge for that very reason. Regardless, lust is lust and adultery is adultery. Lust becomes adultery when it’s someone else’s wife. That’s the only way it makes sense.

I heard it said that when you are driving down the street and spot a nice looking woman it’s not sin. Driving around the block to get a better look is. I’m not suggesting this is entirely accurate. This is what I was taught and hoped to clarify.

 

[PaulNew]

When your physical body which has physical eyes looks at a female body and desires it, obviously this is natural, but of the flesh.

Jesus says that in the resurrection, no more marrying, but like angels of God in heaven.

Gender is of the flesh. Souls do not have gender. Love pours out in all directions like the light from the sun.

Love unties souls. Self-interest divides souls.

Therefore, focus your efforts on the spiritual, not the physical.

Each very attractive male or female body is joined to a soul.

See the soul, not the body.

Love the soul, not the body.

Yearn for the joining together of all souls in Love.

 

[NotmebutHim]

To me, the issue isn't whether it's "OK" to lust after single women (it isn't), but rather whether that sin is what Matt 5:28 is specifically addressing. Jesus was talking about adultery, which requires that at least one of the parties be in a marriage relationship.

The Scriptures do address other sexual sins in other places.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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you are defining the action of adultery like the law does Jesus was addressing this part that causes us to act in sin

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭

we don’t commit adultery for
No reason it comes from the list to at we harbor within . It’s about rejecting the things that don’t belong in our minds and hearts like lustful intents



“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s not literally saying to pluck your eyes out he’s teaching us that lust in our mind and heart is the reason we commit sin . He’s giving us a way to fight and overcome the action before it becomes sin by rejecting the lust beforehand so we don’t commit sin

Jesus was teaching us what to do , where as Moses taught what not to do . We can overcome the deed of sin by filling up with the right spirit inside our heart

we’re supposed to carry his words like that about lust in our understanding we don’t fall into the trap of sommiting fornications or adultery

fornications brother are also sin married or not like a pretty marital women who had sex and it was later found out by the one who married her

She’s stoned for the fornication beforehand

“But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭22:20-21‬ ‭

sex ordained of God is within the confines of a marriage it was never meant to be something for recreation and pleasure or because of
Lust

all things are basically neutral like sex , it can be blessed of God between a husband and wife or can be an expression of carnality and pleasures of the flesh which is outside the blessing

 

[posthuman]

we don’t commit adultery for
No reason it comes from the list to at we harbor within . It’s about rejecting the things that don’t belong in our minds and hearts like lustful intents



“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

So you're saying that God has evil desires in His mind and heart that don't belong there. that Jesus-God-manifest-in-flesh isn't perfect He just has a lot of willpower and self control not to let the evil inside Him be seen on the outside...?

What's He doing raising the standards of adultery to the nth degree like sin is judged in the heart not just the actions if He's guilty of the same thing?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So you're saying that God has evil desires in His mind and heart that don't belong there. that Jesus-God-manifest-in-flesh isn't perfect He just has a lot of willpower and self control not to let the evil inside Him be seen on the outside...?

What's He doing raising the standards of adultery to the nth degree like sin is judged in the heart not just the actions if He's guilty of the same thing?

no brother you aren’t hearing me at all with the conclusions you are hearing there Jesus didn’t have evil desires certainly not what I’m saying

I’m going to bow out of this one I think the scriptures speak plainly

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we change the word tempted to tested it still says the same thing

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tested like as we are, yet without sin.”

It doesn’t change anything it’s still about Christ experiencing our infirmities having been touched by them himself in his time in the flesh and has been “tested “yet never sinned this is how he overcame temptations Ike he lives on earth those many years before the gospel

“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I honestly can’t understand what you disagree with I think you are hearing “ Jesus was a sinner “ but a few times now I’ve made clear that’s not what those scriptures say or what I’m saying

it’s telling us Jesus endured temptation like we all do uet he overcame like we couldn’t d he never sinned facing the same struggle with the world

Being tempted isn’t sin doesn’t mean someone is wrong , ot means they are being tempted by the devil and need to stick to Gods word

 

[Hungry]

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sex ordained of God is within the confines of a marriage it was never meant to be something for recreation and pleasure or because of
Lust

[/QUOTE]
I know I’m going to get some static on this but marriage is one thing under the Law and sex is another. There is commonality but you can’t deny there is provision for concubines, sex slaves and polygamy. Women needed to be monogamous, not men. Sure it’s a double standard but relevant.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

sex ordained of God is within the confines of a marriage it was never meant to be something for recreation and pleasure or because of
Lust

I know I’m going to get some static on this but marriage is one thing under the Law and sex is another. There is commonality but you can’t deny there is provision for concubines, sex slaves and polygamy. Women needed to be monogamous, not men. Sure it’s a double standard but relevant.[/QUOTE]

this makes the New Testament folk different and why we need to honor Jesus words rather than Moses

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they didn’t have this situation where Gods holy spirit came to live and dwell with them

ask yourself if you belong to God because of bulls blood goats blood and Moses intercession , or of Jesus purchased our souls and we belong to his word and blood

if you wouldn’t feel Comfortable doing something in front of a pastor you respected , God is meant to be dwelling in you 24-7 in the darkness and light by faith

his presence means we need to change some things that he’s not cool with like for instance seeing that pretty lady , and looking at her other than she’s a sister in Christ who God loves very much and wants her to come to him and be saved it matters how we perceive people because it ends up being how we treat people

 

[Hungry]

I know I’m going to get some static on this but marriage is one thing under the Law and sex is another. There is commonality but you can’t deny there is provision for concubines, sex slaves and polygamy. Women needed to be monogamous, not men. Sure it’s a double standard but relevant.

this makes the New Testament folk different and why we need to honor Jesus words rather than Moses

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they didn’t have this situation where Gods holy spirit came to live and dwell with them

ask yourself if you belong to God because of bulls blood goats blood and Moses intercession , or of Jesus purchased our souls and we belong to his word and blood

if you wouldn’t feel Comfortable doing something in front of a pastor you respected , God is meant to be dwelling in you 24-7 in the darkness and light by faith

his presence means we need to change some things that he’s not cool with like for instance seeing that pretty lady , and looking at her other than she’s a sister in Christ who God loves very much and wants her to come to him and be saved it matters how we perceive people because it ends up being how we treat people[/QUOTE]
I think you are misunderstanding my point. I’m aware that the Christian is a new creation. We no longer walk in the flesh. We walk in the Spirit. My point is that some flesh takes longer to die than others. The renewing of the mind is a process. The grafting takes time to become One. Pornography is an issue in the Church because we do not gain immediate mastery over our thoughts and actions.

For those maturing in Christ, from babes to saints, judging them for natural God given reproductive urges, is doing them a disservice. I’m not suggesting to allow them to perform or fantasize about forbidden sexual acts. I just don’t think we need to heap guilt on them for something God never banned. Time and time again I see people using Matt 5:28 to improperly judge normal biological urges. As long as we submit to the flesh we can never emphatically serve Christ, agreed. However, the grafting process takes longer when you feel God is always disappointed in you for simply being a dude. He made us. He programmed us. He knows how we think. That’s why He allowed concubines and multiple wives.

My intent isn’t to accept polygamy, only to properly define an often misquoted verse...only that verse.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

this makes the New Testament folk different and why we need to honor Jesus words rather than Moses

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they didn’t have this situation where Gods holy spirit came to live and dwell with them

ask yourself if you belong to God because of bulls blood goats blood and Moses intercession , or of Jesus purchased our souls and we belong to his word and blood

if you wouldn’t feel Comfortable doing something in front of a pastor you respected , God is meant to be dwelling in you 24-7 in the darkness and light by faith

his presence means we need to change some things that he’s not cool with like for instance seeing that pretty lady , and looking at her other than she’s a sister in Christ who God loves very much and wants her to come to him and be saved it matters how we perceive people because it ends up being how we treat people

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I’m aware that the Christian is a new creation. We no longer walk in the flesh. We walk in the Spirit. My point is that some flesh takes longer to die than others. The renewing of the mind is a process. The grafting takes time to become One. Pornography is an issue in the Church because we do not gain immediate mastery over our thoughts and actions.

For those maturing in Christ, from babes to saints, judging them for natural God given reproductive urges, is doing them a disservice. I’m not suggesting to allow them to perform or fantasize about forbidden sexual acts. I just don’t think we need to heap guilt on them for something God never banned. Time and time again I see people using Matt 5:28 to improperly judge normal biological urges. As long as we submit to the flesh we can never emphatically serve Christ, agreed. However, the grafting process takes longer when you feel God is always disappointed in you for simply being a dude. He made us. He programmed us. He knows how we think. That’s why He allowed concubines and multiple wives.

My intent isn’t to accept polygamy, only to properly define an often misquoted verse...only that verse.[/QUOTE]

yes it’s not overnight at all it’s a process lifetime one you know how you are talking about the spirit and flesh ?

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and you know the verse you are talking about ? One of these is a commandment for the flesh the other is for the spirit

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:27-28‬ ‭

Paul’s doctrine of the spirit and flesh is talking about following what Jesus taught about inside of us that word about just isn’t meant like the commandment to hold us guilty it’s meant to operate in us to change how we think so we don’t get led by lust to commit the deed of the flesh

Paul’s saying if you walk by Jesus guidance , you won’t commit sin to feed the flesh

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16-17‬ ‭

if we walk by this understanding “ list is not something allowed in your mind that you dwell on it instead reject it “

then we’ll never be led to commit sins of lust like adultery

the reason we sin is. Excuse of the issue inside lust of we allow it will lead us astray , hate will lead us astray , grudge bearing will lead us astray so Jesus word is teaching us how to walk by the spiritual law rather than the flesh law

if you tell a sinner “ don’t commit adultery “ it’s not going to change them but if you address the reason they want to commit sin , it frees them from sin after walking lifetime we are healed in one area and then another comes up it’s definately a process and Jesus words aren’t meant to condemn but call us to change

 

[JaumeJ]

this makes the New Testament folk different and why we need to honor Jesus words rather than Moses

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they didn’t have this situation where Gods holy spirit came to live and dwell with them

ask yourself if you belong to God because of bulls blood goats blood and Moses intercession , or of Jesus purchased our souls and we belong to his word and blood

if you wouldn’t feel Comfortable doing something in front of a pastor you respected , God is meant to be dwelling in you 24-7 in the darkness and light by faith

his presence means we need to change some things that he’s not cool with like for instance seeing that pretty lady , and looking at her other than she’s a sister in Christ who God loves very much and wants her to come to him and be saved it matters how we perceive people because it ends up being how we treat people

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I’m aware that the Christian is a new creation. We no longer walk in the flesh. We walk in the Spirit. My point is that some flesh takes longer to die than others. The renewing of the mind is a process. The grafting takes time to become One. Pornography is an issue in the Church because we do not gain immediate mastery over our thoughts and actions.

For those maturing in Christ, from babes to saints, judging them for natural God given reproductive urges, is doing them a disservice. I’m not suggesting to allow them to perform or fantasize about forbidden sexual acts. I just don’t think we need to heap guilt on them for something God never banned. Time and time again I see people using Matt 5:28 to improperly judge normal biological urges. As long as we submit to the flesh we can never emphatically serve Christ, agreed. However, the grafting process takes longer when you feel God is always disappointed in you for simply being a dude. He made us. He programmed us. He knows how we think. That’s why He allowed concubines and multiple wives.

My intent isn’t to accept polygamy, only to properly define an often misquoted verse...only that verse.[/QUOTE]
Moses never authored any of the credited to him by so many mistaken people. Everything he wrote down was given to him by the Word, Jesus-Yeshua.

Perhaps were you to reread the OT you will see our Savior present in all of it.