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but Jesus said satan was a liar and a thief from the begining
Again you have concluded that begining must mean the same as the beginning of humanity.
Ive showed you how thàt beginning could be concluded used else where
But the both are conclusions friend you must understand that.
Or let's say another beginning
Has satan been with God for ever because we see Jesus using beginning else where
John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
Could you conclude Satan sinned in this beginning.
If you see this beginning as way befor the earth was created that is.
Because you've only concluded one beginning Jesus meaning from Jesus
Again you have concluded that begining must mean the same as the beginning of humanity.
Ive showed you how thàt beginning could be concluded used else where
But the both are conclusions friend you must understand that.
Or let's say another beginning
Has satan been with God for ever because we see Jesus using beginning else where
John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
Could you conclude Satan sinned in this beginning.
If you see this beginning as way befor the earth was created that is.
Because you've only concluded one beginning Jesus meaning from Jesus
Lol you are funny! No, though, the username is inspired by this passage of Revelation 2 if you don't mind my digression. The instance of the Morning Star being alotted as a spiritual weapon/tool rewarded by Jesus to those that hear and overcome the challenge set by the Letter to Thyatira. I suppose it's not too much of a digression since both the Bearers of the Morning Star are mentioned as well as that evil old dragon Satan.
Revelation 2:18-29
18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 2:18-29
18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
The morning star is expressed as rising in the heart the day Peter will again see the kingdom of heaven.
Satan was always seeing the kingdom at one time and also would have had the morning star
Jesus always saw the kingdom of heaven to
So he also had the morning star to
So there's many points of reference here.
The first point would be the morning star could be a jewel in the heart and possible some sort of spiritual Jewel that is also a piece of the brightest star in heaven. Which may well be heaven itself.
It seems satan may have been a guardian cherub of wisdom to be a minister for God children.
And entrusted with the same jewel.
The morning star Jewel could also be referenced as possibly
A jewel that rises in believers heart once there saved or when the kingdom of heaven returns to earth.
It could be both.
When Peter said for when we see the morning star rise on our hearts we will see are kingdom again.
I'm confident he was saved at that point so I can hardly conclude he would have been a bearer of the morning star because he was speaking future tense.
Which makes me feel you can't say for sure any living person person is bearing the morning star at this moment in time
Satan was always seeing the kingdom at one time and also would have had the morning star
Jesus always saw the kingdom of heaven to
So he also had the morning star to
So there's many points of reference here.
The first point would be the morning star could be a jewel in the heart and possible some sort of spiritual Jewel that is also a piece of the brightest star in heaven. Which may well be heaven itself.
It seems satan may have been a guardian cherub of wisdom to be a minister for God children.
And entrusted with the same jewel.
The morning star Jewel could also be referenced as possibly
A jewel that rises in believers heart once there saved or when the kingdom of heaven returns to earth.
It could be both.
When Peter said for when we see the morning star rise on our hearts we will see are kingdom again.
I'm confident he was saved at that point so I can hardly conclude he would have been a bearer of the morning star because he was speaking future tense.
Which makes me feel you can't say for sure any living person person is bearing the morning star at this moment in time
Yes Peter also uses the Morning Star as an example of the light that shines in the darkness. It is a good use of the Morning Star heralding the dawn, the true light that is the Truth of Jesus, the Word of God, the Promise of God all the way back in the Garden, born of the Virgin, crucified, resurrected, ascended to heaven, and will come back again, praise Jesus!
Satan has nothing to do with the Morning Star, he was never good, he was never smart, he was never an angel, and he will never be anything remotely resembling God, and hSatan will never be saved he is expressly damned for 100% certainty and doomed. There is none of the good qualities of the Morning Star in Satan at all, not in the Bible at the least and not in wider reality either. There is no deep occult secret knowledge about Satan, the Bible tells us the Truth about the Father of Lies. Satan is the king of the evil spiritual kingdom of fools for most certain, the lowest creature of creation, the father of lies, the first murderer, the first sinner, that old serpent, the prince of the power of the air, that old serpent, that red dragon is Satan.
The complete times in the Bible that Satan actually appears directly as a character, and not just mentioned in passing or of indirect feature (ie: describing his traits and methods);
Genesis 3 in the Garden is Satan's first appearance and he commits the first sin fathering the Lies and causing the woman to eat the fruit, making her kill herself for a Lie, and also giving it to man and murdering him for a Lie. Because the serpent did this, this is where God curses him and where he gets the names Satan and Devil and told the prophecy of his doom at the hand of Jesus the seed of the Virgin Bride, the Son of Man and Son God sent to destroy the works of the Devil. Job at the beginning chapters when the angels go to sing before God, Satan also goes on up to the Throne making his foolish wager against God over Job, losing technically the first time, Satan makes a second wager and arguing if he can torture Job more that Job will curse God, and this is even granted to him and Satan still loses again. Then Satan shows up in the Gospels most notably the Temptation of Jesus in the Wilderness, where true to his theme, Satan tries to tempt Jesus and again, loses, and even flees in terror from Jesus the Strong Savior of Mankind. These are the books that give Satan a major feature as a direct character acting concurrent to the plotline and narrative of the story of those books as their narrative progresses,
Zechariah mentions Satan very briefly in chapter 3 seeing him in a vision contending with an unnamed angel of God and the high priest Joshua. Jude mentions Satan directly as a character but only briefly in a flashback contending with the archangel Michael over Moses' body in verse 9 as an example to make a wider moralistic point about respect of dignities.
Finally the book to end all books about the end of the world and all the characters in it, yes, even old Satan's ultimate destiny is foretold in the book of Revelation. Revelation features Satan the most of the all the Bible's books where he appears directly as a character in the story. In summary Revelation shows that Satan will seduce a third of the angels and make a war in heaven, lose, get thrown down by archangel Michael, go nuts on the Earth in all his wrath and fury and pour out all his lies, and give his power the Man of Sin and the evil last generation of sinners. Then Jesus returns and Satan tries to fight his army and hen Satan will lose in the fullness and ultimate sense and get killed by the Father directly blasting him with fire and throwing Satan away into the Lake of Fire FOREVER. Satan loses, his fate is fixed, Jesus will win and God's Kingdom will come and God's will shall be done, PRAISE JESUS THE ROOT OF DAVID AND THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR!
Satan has nothing to do with the Morning Star, he was never good, he was never smart, he was never an angel, and he will never be anything remotely resembling God, and hSatan will never be saved he is expressly damned for 100% certainty and doomed. There is none of the good qualities of the Morning Star in Satan at all, not in the Bible at the least and not in wider reality either. There is no deep occult secret knowledge about Satan, the Bible tells us the Truth about the Father of Lies. Satan is the king of the evil spiritual kingdom of fools for most certain, the lowest creature of creation, the father of lies, the first murderer, the first sinner, that old serpent, the prince of the power of the air, that old serpent, that red dragon is Satan.
The complete times in the Bible that Satan actually appears directly as a character, and not just mentioned in passing or of indirect feature (ie: describing his traits and methods);
Genesis 3 in the Garden is Satan's first appearance and he commits the first sin fathering the Lies and causing the woman to eat the fruit, making her kill herself for a Lie, and also giving it to man and murdering him for a Lie. Because the serpent did this, this is where God curses him and where he gets the names Satan and Devil and told the prophecy of his doom at the hand of Jesus the seed of the Virgin Bride, the Son of Man and Son God sent to destroy the works of the Devil. Job at the beginning chapters when the angels go to sing before God, Satan also goes on up to the Throne making his foolish wager against God over Job, losing technically the first time, Satan makes a second wager and arguing if he can torture Job more that Job will curse God, and this is even granted to him and Satan still loses again. Then Satan shows up in the Gospels most notably the Temptation of Jesus in the Wilderness, where true to his theme, Satan tries to tempt Jesus and again, loses, and even flees in terror from Jesus the Strong Savior of Mankind. These are the books that give Satan a major feature as a direct character acting concurrent to the plotline and narrative of the story of those books as their narrative progresses,
Zechariah mentions Satan very briefly in chapter 3 seeing him in a vision contending with an unnamed angel of God and the high priest Joshua. Jude mentions Satan directly as a character but only briefly in a flashback contending with the archangel Michael over Moses' body in verse 9 as an example to make a wider moralistic point about respect of dignities.
Finally the book to end all books about the end of the world and all the characters in it, yes, even old Satan's ultimate destiny is foretold in the book of Revelation. Revelation features Satan the most of the all the Bible's books where he appears directly as a character in the story. In summary Revelation shows that Satan will seduce a third of the angels and make a war in heaven, lose, get thrown down by archangel Michael, go nuts on the Earth in all his wrath and fury and pour out all his lies, and give his power the Man of Sin and the evil last generation of sinners. Then Jesus returns and Satan tries to fight his army and hen Satan will lose in the fullness and ultimate sense and get killed by the Father directly blasting him with fire and throwing Satan away into the Lake of Fire FOREVER. Satan loses, his fate is fixed, Jesus will win and God's Kingdom will come and God's will shall be done, PRAISE JESUS THE ROOT OF DAVID AND THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR!
I think you have missed a key point friend I'll explain shortly which is throwing the prophetic word in the wrong direction.
Theres something you've not payed attention to as to a light shining in a dark place.
Concerning the prophetic meaning of the morning star.
Which you would do well to pay attention to.
But for now I'm going to leave you in suspense of what that is.
Theres something you've not payed attention to as to a light shining in a dark place.
Concerning the prophetic meaning of the morning star.
Which you would do well to pay attention to.
But for now I'm going to leave you in suspense of what that is.
Well in regards to the Morning Star and prophecy and Peter, well Peter directs us back to the Bible. Your reasonable question was about Satan. Therefore, take hold of the Morning Star, and all the knowledge of Jesus Christ and the holy scriptures, and discard the fables about Satan that are just frankly wrong and not found in the Bible, the scriptures are sufficient that were God-breathed check them and read them yourself, and then you will know the truth of your reasonable questions, and of course PRAISE JESUS.
2 Peter 1:15-21
15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:15-21
15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
This is why I'm holding back, because your understandings.
Are throwing you in the wrong direction
Leading you to use scripture for a wrong reason.
When your eyes are opened to the full meaning of the prophetic word about light shining in a dark place.
You may even see Satan was not a liar and a thief from his place of creation in that beginning.
You may even see the morning star is a jewel that rises in a heart enabling a person to see the kingdom of heaven.
But since your understandings are taking you in a wrong direction
I really do do need to push some will on to you, to leave you in suspense.
Because I would rather you sit that way and hope the holy spirit reveals it to your self personaly
Through a prophetic word
And I would hope you get taken up to heaven yourself to.
Even if it's in your dream or even if it's a vision.
I cant make you sit in hope
But I can push you in that direction 🙂
Are throwing you in the wrong direction
Leading you to use scripture for a wrong reason.
When your eyes are opened to the full meaning of the prophetic word about light shining in a dark place.
You may even see Satan was not a liar and a thief from his place of creation in that beginning.
You may even see the morning star is a jewel that rises in a heart enabling a person to see the kingdom of heaven.
But since your understandings are taking you in a wrong direction
I really do do need to push some will on to you, to leave you in suspense.
Because I would rather you sit that way and hope the holy spirit reveals it to your self personaly
Through a prophetic word
And I would hope you get taken up to heaven yourself to.
Even if it's in your dream or even if it's a vision.
I cant make you sit in hope
But I can push you in that direction 🙂
a key point of reference I missed when not explaining to you was.
An accuser can be sent for a higher purpose.
But also the term accuser of the brethren can be used in different terminology.
Like for instance the term acuser could be used in a court of law, but it doesn't mean the prosecution solicitors are fallen.
Now if the term is used against a person who has fallen then he is a false acuser, hence the question was Satan fallen when he was granted authority to accuse Job ?.
However I didn't think I needed to highlight this at the time.
As Satan was referred to an acuser when he was in a heavenly court which suggests he was granted the authority to accuse.
An accuser can be sent for a higher purpose.
But also the term accuser of the brethren can be used in different terminology.
Like for instance the term acuser could be used in a court of law, but it doesn't mean the prosecution solicitors are fallen.
Now if the term is used against a person who has fallen then he is a false acuser, hence the question was Satan fallen when he was granted authority to accuse Job ?.
However I didn't think I needed to highlight this at the time.
As Satan was referred to an acuser when he was in a heavenly court which suggests he was granted the authority to accuse.
