A Question about The Feasts
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All the OT prophecies are not complete, His 2nd coming is talked about by many prophets in the OT
To be fulfilled in the future
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done!
I think a misunderstanding of "chadash" is part of the issue...
Psalms 110:1-7, יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” יהוה sends Your mighty sceptre out of Tsiyon. Rule in the midst of Your enemies! Your people volunteer in the day of Your might, In the splendours of set-apartness! From the womb, from the morning, You have the dew of Your youth! יהוה has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.” יהוה at Your right hand Shall smite sovereigns in the day of His wrath. He judges among the nations, He shall fill the nations with dead bodies, He shall crush the Head over the mighty earth! He drinks of the stream by the wayside, Therefore He does lift up the head!
Hebrews 5:5-10, “So also the Messiah did not extol Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth.” (Ps 2:7) As He also says in another place, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,” (Ps 110:4) who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His reverent fear, though being a Son, He learned obedience by what He suffered. And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting deliverance to all those obeying Him, (Jn 3:36, Jn 14:15, Jn 14:23, Jn 15:10, Act 3:22-23) having been designated by Elohim a High Priest “according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,”
Genesis 17:7, “And I shall establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be Elohim to you and your seed after you.”
Galatians 3:16-17, “But the promises were spoken to Aḇraham, and to his Seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Messiah. Now this I say, Torah, that came four hundred and thirty years later, does not annul a covenant previously confirmed by Elohim in Messiah, so as to do away with the promise.”
How was the covenant "previously confirmed " before the Torah was given to Moses?
Genesis 17:7, “And I shall establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be Elohim to you and your seed after you.”
Genesis 14:18-19, “And Malkitseḏeq sovereign of Shalĕm brought out bread and wine. Now he was the priest of the Most High Ěl. And he blessed him and said, “Blessed be Aḇram of the Most High Ěl, Possessor of the heavens and earth.”
Hebrews 5:5-10, “So also the Messiah did not extol Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth.” (Ps 2:7) As He also says in another place, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,”.......having been designated by Elohim a High Priest “according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,”
It's all there, those are not my words.
To be fulfilled in the future
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done!
I think a misunderstanding of "chadash" is part of the issue...
Psalms 110:1-7, יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” יהוה sends Your mighty sceptre out of Tsiyon. Rule in the midst of Your enemies! Your people volunteer in the day of Your might, In the splendours of set-apartness! From the womb, from the morning, You have the dew of Your youth! יהוה has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.” יהוה at Your right hand Shall smite sovereigns in the day of His wrath. He judges among the nations, He shall fill the nations with dead bodies, He shall crush the Head over the mighty earth! He drinks of the stream by the wayside, Therefore He does lift up the head!
Hebrews 5:5-10, “So also the Messiah did not extol Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth.” (Ps 2:7) As He also says in another place, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,” (Ps 110:4) who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His reverent fear, though being a Son, He learned obedience by what He suffered. And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting deliverance to all those obeying Him, (Jn 3:36, Jn 14:15, Jn 14:23, Jn 15:10, Act 3:22-23) having been designated by Elohim a High Priest “according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,”
Genesis 17:7, “And I shall establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be Elohim to you and your seed after you.”
Galatians 3:16-17, “But the promises were spoken to Aḇraham, and to his Seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Messiah. Now this I say, Torah, that came four hundred and thirty years later, does not annul a covenant previously confirmed by Elohim in Messiah, so as to do away with the promise.”
How was the covenant "previously confirmed " before the Torah was given to Moses?
Genesis 17:7, “And I shall establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be Elohim to you and your seed after you.”
Genesis 14:18-19, “And Malkitseḏeq sovereign of Shalĕm brought out bread and wine. Now he was the priest of the Most High Ěl. And he blessed him and said, “Blessed be Aḇram of the Most High Ěl, Possessor of the heavens and earth.”
Hebrews 5:5-10, “So also the Messiah did not extol Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth.” (Ps 2:7) As He also says in another place, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,”.......having been designated by Elohim a High Priest “according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,”
It's all there, those are not my words.
I suppose if you ignore what I said and the Scripture I posted you can say anything.
Maybe allow the Wprd to form your doctrine, rather than letting your doctrine form the meaning of the Word.
Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
Maybe allow the Wprd to form your doctrine, rather than letting your doctrine form the meaning of the Word.
Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
He didn't break His covenant He fulfilled it completely in Jesus, the New Covenant, the Jews of the time refused to accept Him to whom He was sent in fulfillment.
He is on the throne.
It seems to me 'dipsies" aka dispensationlists want it both ways.
Anyway I know it is a hard sell in these times. But I am hopeful that in 100 years that generation will go back to correct covenant understanding.
He is on the throne.
It seems to me 'dipsies" aka dispensationlists want it both ways.
Anyway I know it is a hard sell in these times. But I am hopeful that in 100 years that generation will go back to correct covenant understanding.
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ok, got you, I misunderstood what you were saying.
Well for me the bottom line is this havs not yet been fulfilled
To be fulfilled in the future
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done!
and for Yahshua's sacrifice to have effect, it does not have to be.
There are other things in Scripture that are dependent on those prophecies, the shedding of blood for the remission of sin is not one of them. People mistake a blood sacrifice and it's consequence with the obliteration of evrything YHWH's said because it seems that has been taught under the guise of goodness/truth.
Well for me the bottom line is this havs not yet been fulfilled
To be fulfilled in the future
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done!
and for Yahshua's sacrifice to have effect, it does not have to be.
There are other things in Scripture that are dependent on those prophecies, the shedding of blood for the remission of sin is not one of them. People mistake a blood sacrifice and it's consequence with the obliteration of evrything YHWH's said because it seems that has been taught under the guise of goodness/truth.
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So show me one thing He say that is different than what I have said? So he already returned?
Did this already happen?
Matthew 24:29-31, “And immediately after thetribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, (Isa 13:10; Isa 24:23, Eze 32:7-8, Joe 2:10, Joe 2:31, Joe 3:15) and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. (Hag 2:6, Hag 2:21, Amo 5:20, Amo 8:9. Isa 34:4) “And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, (Zec 12:10-14 and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds (Dan 7:13) of the heaven with power and much esteem. (Dan 7:14) “And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, (Isa 27:13) and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, (Dan 7:2) from one end of the heavens to the other. (Deu 4:32.)”
Matthew 24:34-35, “Truly, I say to you, this generation shall by no means pass away until all this takes place. The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My words shall by no means pass away.”
“this generation” is the generation that lives during the time of the events of Matt 24
Did Heaven and Earth already pass?
Did this already happen?
Matthew 24:29-31, “And immediately after thetribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, (Isa 13:10; Isa 24:23, Eze 32:7-8, Joe 2:10, Joe 2:31, Joe 3:15) and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. (Hag 2:6, Hag 2:21, Amo 5:20, Amo 8:9. Isa 34:4) “And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, (Zec 12:10-14 and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds (Dan 7:13) of the heaven with power and much esteem. (Dan 7:14) “And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, (Isa 27:13) and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, (Dan 7:2) from one end of the heavens to the other. (Deu 4:32.)”
Matthew 24:34-35, “Truly, I say to you, this generation shall by no means pass away until all this takes place. The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My words shall by no means pass away.”
“this generation” is the generation that lives during the time of the events of Matt 24
Did Heaven and Earth already pass?
This is a point that is very important and poorly understood. We are under the new covenant. The old covenant was fulfilled by Christ. It no longer exists. Thus, everything that was part of that covenant is accomplished. This is the starting point to understanding the new covenant.
Thus, believing something in the old covenant is yet to come is poor doctrine and is the cause of poor eschatology.
Thus, believing something in the old covenant is yet to come is poor doctrine and is the cause of poor eschatology.
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That defies the rule of hermeneutics ... audience relevance, otherwise you make His words nonsense to His audience, that is illogical.
Luke 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
Thank you for the convo, but I know I will not convince you so moving on.
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Agree!!!
For so long I just trusted what I was told, but when I really trusted the words of Jesus and applied basic logic I could not deny what made so much more sense.
I will say the historical figures (Darby, Scofield etc., ) who helped devise the "dispensational system" prior to Israel becoming a nation were very clever and it is not easy to see through it.
For so long I just trusted what I was told, but when I really trusted the words of Jesus and applied basic logic I could not deny what made so much more sense.
I will say the historical figures (Darby, Scofield etc., ) who helped devise the "dispensational system" prior to Israel becoming a nation were very clever and it is not easy to see through it.
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Except this "then they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming in a cloud " didnt happen yet and
Luke 21:20-27, 20 “And when you see Yerushalayim surrounded by armies, then know that its laying waste is near. 21 “Then let those in Yehuḏah flee to the mountains, and let those who are in the midst of her go out, and let not those who are in the fields enter her. 22 “Because these are days of vengeance, to fill all that have been written. 23 “And woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing children in those days! For there shall be great distress in the earth and wrath upon this people. 24 “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Yerushalayim shall be trampled underfoot by the nations until the times of the nations are filled. (Gen 48:19, Psa 79:1)“And there shall be signs in the sun, and moon, and stars, and on the earth anxiety of nations, in bewilderment at the roaring of the sea, and agitation, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of what is coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. (Hag 2:6, Hag 2:21). 27 “And then they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming in a cloud Dan 7:13 with power and much esteem.
Neither has this happened yet
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
You are isolating a single Scriptual idea and ignoring it in the context of the entire Word. The "end times have been taking place since He ascended.
All this to ignore celebrating His set apart days, something it is said will be celebrated in the new Earth...
Isaiah 66:22-24, "“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make stand before Me,” declares יהוה, “so your seed and your name shall stand. “And it shall be that from New moon to New moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה. “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm shall not die, and their fire not be quenched. And they shall be repulsive to all flesh!”
Isaiah 65:17, ""For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind."
Luke 21:20-27, 20 “And when you see Yerushalayim surrounded by armies, then know that its laying waste is near. 21 “Then let those in Yehuḏah flee to the mountains, and let those who are in the midst of her go out, and let not those who are in the fields enter her. 22 “Because these are days of vengeance, to fill all that have been written. 23 “And woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing children in those days! For there shall be great distress in the earth and wrath upon this people. 24 “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Yerushalayim shall be trampled underfoot by the nations until the times of the nations are filled. (Gen 48:19, Psa 79:1)“And there shall be signs in the sun, and moon, and stars, and on the earth anxiety of nations, in bewilderment at the roaring of the sea, and agitation, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of what is coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. (Hag 2:6, Hag 2:21). 27 “And then they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming in a cloud Dan 7:13 with power and much esteem.
Neither has this happened yet
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
You are isolating a single Scriptual idea and ignoring it in the context of the entire Word. The "end times have been taking place since He ascended.
All this to ignore celebrating His set apart days, something it is said will be celebrated in the new Earth...
Isaiah 66:22-24, "“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make stand before Me,” declares יהוה, “so your seed and your name shall stand. “And it shall be that from New moon to New moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה. “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm shall not die, and their fire not be quenched. And they shall be repulsive to all flesh!”
Isaiah 65:17, ""For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind."
So the second coming already happened? Heaven and Earth has passed and there is a new Earth? The kingdom of YHWH is in Jerusalem? There is no more death?
Revelation 21:1-27, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the heaven saying, “See, the Booth of Yah is with men, and He shall dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and Yah Himself shall be with them and be their Strength. “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away.” And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy.” And He said to me, “It is done!........"
You are conflating 2 different things, but Please explain to me how this has already happened
Revelation 21:1-27, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the heaven saying, “See, the Booth of Yah is with men, and He shall dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and Yah Himself shall be with them and be their Strength. “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away.” And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy.” And He said to me, “It is done!........"
You are conflating 2 different things, but Please explain to me how this has already happened