A Jew is not one outwardly, but inward

[Viligant_Warrior]

What VW said is a lie, I stand fast to what I said by the words of God.

Then you have condemned yourself.

I wonder that you do not fear denying God's power, His ability -- His very desire! -- to give grace. My only conclusion can be that you are not His. You do not know Him.

God help your immortal soul.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You only stated Romans 8.13, yet to understand 13, you gotta start with vs 12 then go to vs 17:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— [SUP]13 [/SUP]for if you are living according to the flesh, you [SUP][f][/SUP]must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For you have not received a spirit of slavery [SUP][g][/SUP]leading to fear again, but you have received [SUP][h][/SUP]a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

You took it completely out of context to the discussion.

That changes nothing, it just proves my point. If your living according to the flesh and in disobedience, then you are not living according to the Spirit and in righteousness. But thanks for the confirmation.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Then you have condemned yourself.

I wonder that you do not fear denying God's power, His ability to give grace. My only conclusion can be that you are not His. God help your immortal soul.

That judgment of me might bother me if it were not for the fact that it is coming from a man who confesses that living in the flesh and in disobedience is abiding in Christ. (what a joke) LOL!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Now let me try my Amen (to what you said) once again, but in this way

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Aand THEN stree what Paul said (in agreement) with you that grace is not a license to sin, in showing he has asked this question

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law,
but under grace? God forbid.

I thought I should redo my amen by showing the context I can see after 25 years in Christ and then going from there (in case you are wondering why I repeated my amen to you) because Im supposedly doing that wrong according to its context (somewheres)

Thanks for the confirmation Sis, the words of God speak for themselves.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

That judgment of me might bother me if it were not for the fact that it is coming from a man who confesses that living in the flesh and in disobedience is abiding in Christ. (what a joke) LOL!

WOW, he never stated that.

 

[JesusIsAll]

That judgment of me might bother me if it were not for the fact that it is coming from a man who confesses that living in the flesh and in disobedience is abiding in Christ. (what a joke) LOL!

How do you type on keyboard, dematerialized?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

How do you type on keyboard, dematerialized?

Someone of his spiritual superiority can simply will the words to appear on our screens.

[/sarcasm]

 

[JesusIsAll]

Then you have condemned yourself.

I wonder that you do not fear denying God's power, His ability -- His very desire! -- to give grace. My only conclusion can be that you are not His. You do not know Him.

God help your immortal soul.

That's okay, Vigilant Warrior. Those with eyes to see know you have the gospel of the Lord Jesus in your soul and Spirit life. And the best GIFs, too.

 

[Jeff_56]

....................... not

 

[DesiredHaven]

That comment was a separate post # 33...That was a comment to all who think that Grace is a license to sin.

But its now about post # 30 (not #33 the one I posted in agreement with) so post # 30 when you said, That is a big fat lie towards a comment about grace is there to keep you in some kind of disobedience to which you contrasted putting to death these things through the same Spirit

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

I agree that grace is for the obedience of the faith and our obedience is fulfilled. Even as you show that its through the Spirit through whom we obediently put to death the deeds of the body.

But thats the grace of God in effect, whichteaches us to deny worldly and ungodly lusts not to live and be kept in a state of any kind of disobedience.

I honestly dont get all this back and forth over just a handful of verses speaking of Christ, in respest to the faith of Abraham and the inward circumcision by the promise Spirit and how that took off in some kind of bad way.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Someone of his spiritual superiority can simply will the words to appear on our screens.

[/sarcasm]

I'm often glad I'm not saved by that gospel. All the spontaneous levitations, head just crashing into the ceiling, and when you least suspect it, can cause some wicked brain contusions. And given the scripture exegesis, I could also see a problem with the pants getting willed on backwards.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I'm often glad I'm not saved by that gospel. All the spontaneous levitations, head just crashing into the ceiling, and when you least suspect it, can cause some wicked brain contusions. And given the scripture exegesis, I could also see a problem with the pants getting willed on backwards.

That can easily happen when they're distracted -- maybe the phone rings while they're concentrating on spiritually picking their pants up off the floor.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I honestly dont get all this back and forth over just a handful of verses speaking of Christ, in respest to the faith of Abraham and the inward circumcision by the promise Spirit and how that took off in some kind of bad way.

I think it has something to do with the crowd, but that's just a theory.

 

[MarcR]

You are only deceiving yourself if you think Grace is a license to sin, that is a very dangerous doctrine and position to be in. Repent!

What he said is an outright lie, I proved it by scripture. Here is his comment....

Originally Posted by Viligant_Warrior

"Disobedience is part of still living in the flesh for all of God's children. Grace keeps us in Him despite that disobedience."[end quote]


Here is the proof of the lie....

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

And as I said in another post, you proved nothing taking a Scripture out of context that does not say what you so desperately want it to say. You are the liar. And myopic, as I addressed my previous response directly to you. I've heard of selective hearing ... you have the first case of selective seeing I've ever come across.

Originally Posted byInSpiritInTruth; What VW said is a lie, I stand fast to what I said by the words of God.

ISIT,

The post you responded to was NOT addressing your conversation with VW. It was a response to thread addressing the entire issue of law vs Grace.

Since you brought me into your discussion I will now address that issue WITHOUT TAKING SIDES.

WITHOUT ADDRESSING NOW WHETHER VW's STATEMENT WAS ACCURATE, I want to remind you that not all misstatements are lies. If a person honestly believes what they are saying; they can be wrong WITHOUT lieing.


In your post #33 you strongly disagree with the teaching that grace is a license to sin.

In his post #76, VW strongly disagrees the the teaching that grace is a license to sin.

So it appears that to that extent you are in agreement.


In his post # 28 VW equates disobedience with the consequence of living in the flesh.

IMO, by 'living in the flesh' VW speaks of still inhabiting our fallen earthly bodies which are saved from the consequence of sin; but are not yet totally free from the tendency to sin. This tendency to sin is why 1Jn 2:1 is necessary.


In your post #78, you speak of living after the flesh.

IMO by ' living after the flesh' you refer to willfully sinning as if there were no consequence.

I believe that both VW and I agree with you that this is NOT a valid response to grace.


Is it possible that you and VW are speaking of different things and mistakenly equating them?

 

[DesiredHaven]

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DesiredHaven]

I think it has something to do with the crowd, but that's just a theory.

Ya think? LOL

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Is it possible that you and VW are speaking of different things and mistakenly equating them?

That's a possibility, I suppose, but appears to be negated by his refusal as long as I've seen him on here to consider that a Christian can sin and not lose his/her salvation -- which of course if not just possible but a fact of the Christian life. But then, he seems to believe he can live in sinless perfection, so I guess that settles that, don't it?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

ISIT,

The post you responded to was NOT addressing your conversation with VW. It was a response to thread addressing the entire issue of law vs Grace.

Since you brought me into your discussion I will now address that issue WITHOUT TAKING SIDES.

WITHOUT ADDRESSING NOW WHETHER VW's STATEMENT WAS ACCURATE, I want to remind you that not all misstatements are lies. If a person honestly believes what they are saying; they can be wrong WITHOUT lieing.


In your post #33 you strongly disagree with the teaching that grace is a license to sin.

In his post #76, VW strongly disagrees the the teaching that grace is a license to sin.

So it appears that to that extent you are in agreement.


In his post # 28 VW equates disobedience with the consequence of living in the flesh.

IMO, by 'living in the flesh' VW speaks of still inhabiting our fallen earthly bodies which are saved from the consequence of sin; but are not yet totally free from the tendency to sin. This tendency to sin is why 1Jn 2:1 is necessary.


In your post #78, you speak of living after the flesh.

IMO by ' living after the flesh' you refer to willfully sinning as if there were no consequence.

I believe that both VW and I agree with you that this is NOT a valid response to grace.


Is it possible that you and VW are speaking of different things and mistakenly equating them?

Marc here is what VW said, please don't try to confuse the issue.

Originally Posted by Viligant_Warrior

"Disobedience is part of still living in the flesh for all of God's children. Grace keeps us in Him despite that disobedience."[end quote]

Is this a true statement, or false Marc?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That's a possibility, I suppose, but appears to be negated by his refusal as long as I've seen him on here to consider that a Christian can sin and not lose his/her salvation -- which of course if not just possible but a fact of the Christian life. But then, he seems to believe he can live in sinless perfection, so I guess that settles that, don't it?

Strawman and false accusations. Want to keep going?

 

[crossnote]

Why don't you reread it, In Christ there is no difference. You are saying there are Jew Christains and Gentile Christians, that is wrong, "Therefore you are no longer foreigners and aliens but fellow citizens"

are there still male christians and female christians? Yes. But by your logic there wouldn't be. It's just when it comes to being saved in Christ there is no difference. But, go on holding to your convictions. I'm not here to change them.