A day in earth

Noose · Mar 13, 2019

You definitely misunderstood me.

2+2=4 This right based on a criteria and that criteria is the laws of addition that man made to help him fulfill a certain need, but it is not truth because truth comes from the heart.
If 2+2 question comes in an exam and i wrote 4 as the answer, it will be right/correct not truth, and if i wrote 5, it will be wrong not lies or falsehood because lies or falsehood also comes from deep within the heart and it applies mainly when one knows the truth but willingly lies or gives wrong information.

posthuman · Mar 13, 2019

Noose said:

You definitely misunderstood me.

2+2=4 This right based on a criteria and that criteria is the laws of addition that man made to help him fulfill a certain need, but it is not truth because truth comes from the heart.
If 2+2 question comes in an exam and i wrote 4 as the answer, it will be right/correct not truth, and if i wrote 5, it will be wrong not lies or falsehood because lies or falsehood also comes from deep within the heart and it applies mainly when one knows the truth but willingly lies or gives wrong information.

Psalms 147:4
He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name

Did God learn math from man?

Noose · Mar 13, 2019

posthuman said:

Again, God created through the heart of a man and it is through the heart of a man that everything will be salvaged.
Doesn't mean that God learns math from man, God implants truth in the heart of a man but man doesn't keep it because his heart is deceitful.

posthuman · Mar 13, 2019

Noose said:

You admit man's heart is deceitful - the scripture says also vain and wicked. So do you believe God created the universe through wickedness, deceit and vanity?

All things were made through Christ, and in Him there is no deceit.

You're a mess, Noose.

Noose · Mar 14, 2019

posthuman said:

God did not create the universe through wickedness and deceit , everything that God created was good- the reason He said "and it was good" immediately after creating. God never created evil in those 6 days of creation or anything bad, yet evil was found in a man's heart.
So many places in the bible God says a man forgets, so evil is nothing more than the man forgetting the word of God that was put in his heart. But this is by design.

We need to ask ourselves, why did God create; the obvious answer is because He is Truth and a creator, and truth demands that He must create. If i call myself a teacher and never teach then i can't be truthful.

The other reason for creation is to give meaning to eternal/good/Truth/life. They can only find meaning by comparison to the temporary/evil/lies/death. Light can never be light unless it is compared to darkness, beauty is never beautiful if there's no ugliness, sweet is not sweet unless we have bitter also. So, the eternal get's meaning through the temporary and for this reason, God creates through the heart of a man and it's through the heart of a man that we get these other things by design- death/evil/lies/ all came about through man and now all creation suffers decay because all creation is found in one place, the heart of a man:

Ecc 3:9What does the worker gain from his toil? 10I have seen the burden that God has laid on men to occupy them.11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work God has done from beginning to end.

It is also through the heart of men that God shall salvage everything:

Rom 8:18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

I'm not a mess, i know of what i'm saying.

Noose · Mar 14, 2019

posthuman said:

You might not be aware but you have a limited view of the word Christ.

Christ, like most people believe, means the anointed one and points to Jesus; correct but that is a very narrow view. Christ is a title that means 'the authority of God on earth', this authority can also be expressed as 'the son of God' which basically means the righteous of God. A pure heart of a man that has no sin qualifies to be identified by this title and we have passages that hint to sons of God being there during creation:

Job 38:
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
2“Who is this who obscures My counsel
by words without knowledge?
3Now brace yourselfa like a man;
I will question you, and you shall inform Me!
4Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know!
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
6On what were its foundations laid,
or who set its core in place—
7while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

And just like it was in the beginning, the sons of God shall share in the divinity:

2 Pet 1:4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.

2 Timothy 1:9
He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not because of our own works, but by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time eternal.

posthuman · Mar 14, 2019

before man, before the universe, wisdom:

The Lord brought me forth as the first of His works,

before His deeds of old;

I was formed long ages ago,

at the very beginning, when the world came to be.

When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,

when there were no springs overflowing with water

(Proverbs 8:22-24)

before wisdom in men, men:

Who has put wisdom in the inward parts or given understanding to the mind?
(Job 38:36)

before man, dust:

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
(Genesis 2:7)

dust by wisdom, not by man:

By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations,

by understanding He set the heavens in place

(Proverbs 3:19)

pottersclay · Mar 14, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I totally agree D. God in the beginning established a 24 hr. period. Later to be used as the way the Jews see the starting of a day.
The Sabbaths starts in the evening at sunset and continues it's allotted length untill that sunset.
Still many try to argue the point even though it's right there in Genesis. Dealing directly with a specific place on the earth where he would create the garden and place man in it.
The first words of Genesis " In the beginning" established time". The heavens established space and earth established matter.
Time space and matter the 3 things necessary for creation.

pottersclay · Mar 14, 2019

posthuman said:

before man, before the universe, wisdom:

The Lord brought me forth as the first of His works,

before His deeds of old;

I was formed long ages ago,

at the very beginning, when the world came to be.

When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,

when there were no springs overflowing with water

(Proverbs 8:22-24)

before wisdom in men, men:

Who has put wisdom in the inward parts or given understanding to the mind?

(Job 38:36)

before man, dust:

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

(Genesis 2:7)

dust by wisdom, not by man:

By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations,

by understanding He set the heavens in place

(Proverbs 3:19)

Excellent post. Wisdom was created. I think it's in Proverbs that it says to look for her...not sure have to check.

Noose · Mar 14, 2019

posthuman said:

Prov 8:
22“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, c d
before his deeds of old;
23I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30Then I was constantly e at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.

Noose · Mar 14, 2019

Psalm 24:1A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. 2For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters.

2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water,

Psalm 136:…5By His insight He made the heavens. His loving devotion endures forever. 6He spread out the earth upon the waters. His loving devotion endures forever.

Genesis 1:2
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

Q. What exactly are these waters?

Prov 18: 4 The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.

Proverbs 20:5 The intentions of a man's heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.

The heart of a man is eternal- meaning that it came from God/ it was part of God

Ecc 3:9 What does the worker gain from his toil? 10I have seen the burden that God has laid on men to occupy them. 11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work God has done from beginning to end.

I don't refute that God created everything and i don't oppose that through Jesus everything was created, but how was everything created? Through the waters and what are the waters; Heart of a man. Which basically means, reality is in the mind of a man.

Noose · Mar 14, 2019

God created the housing for a man's spirit, from clay on the 6th day and then breathed the program (that contained the universe) in him- so man became a living soul.

This is not a new discovery, even scientists have the same feeling:

http://www.robertlanza.com/biocentr...nderstanding-the-true-nature-of-the-universe/

Noose · Mar 14, 2019

posthuman said:

God's wisdom creates but it is this wisdom that was breathed into a man:

Job 32:7 I thought that age should speak, and many years should teach wisdom. 8But there is a spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding.

Again, wisdom created the universe in the minds of men.

Sin is nothing more than forgetting what God has put in man. Jesus overrides that and puts Truth once more in men and the whole universe is salvaged.

Noose · Mar 14, 2019

pottersclay said:

Wisdom was not created; wisdom is God's spirit (mind). Proverbs 8 is written in a poetic way to show that wisdom was there before the beginning in comparison to things that came to exist.

posthuman · Mar 14, 2019

Noose said:

rejoicing when?

when He gave the sea its boundary

so the waters would not overstep His command

(Proverbs 8:29)

wisdom was present when?

at the very beginning, when the world came to be,

when there were no watery depths
(Proverbs 8:23-24)

the world came to be before there were watery depths

posthuman · Mar 14, 2019

Noose said:

but dude you just quoted it:

The Lord brought me forth as the first of His works,

before His deeds of old;

I was formed long ages ago,

at the very beginning
(Proverbs 8:22-23)

posthuman · Mar 14, 2019

Noose said:

if the universe was in the breath He put in the clay where did He get the clay?

there were 5 yoms of creation before the yom of man, before the heart of man was formed, and wisdom was formed before these.

posthuman · Mar 14, 2019

thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas;

yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God

(Ezekiel 28:2)

in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,

whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him.

(Colossians 1:16)

God is not a man, that He should lie

(Numbers 23:19)

does scripture say God's heart is the heart of a man?

posthuman · Mar 14, 2019

Noose said:

it is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus,

Who has become for us wisdom from God

(1 Corinthians 1:30)

posthuman · Mar 14, 2019

Noose said:

I thirst for You, my whole being longs for You,

in a dry and parched land where there is no water.

(Psalm 63:1)

My people have committed two sins:

They have forsaken me, The Spring of Living Water,

and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

(Jeremiah 2:13)

If you knew the gift of God and Who is asking you for a drink,

you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.

(John 4:10)

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