99.9% of Professing Christians will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire
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Oh dear! That means before King James had the English Bible put within the reach of common people most Christians went to hell because they couldn't study! 
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Hebrews 10:25 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
This lets us know that once we know something is sin, and we do it anyway, that it is not under the Blood of JESUS CHRIST,
And if we are still choosing to sin, WE have not repented,
Romans 3: 25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God:
This here lets us know that it was for our past sins, not the ones in the future. If we willingly sin We haft to go back to JUSUS, And repent of that sin, And ask forgiveness for that sin that we willfully committed, Go back and see how the sanctuary works, And that is what JESUS IS DOING TODAY,
The BIBLE tells YOU, And we shouldn't haft to preach it to you, when Paul tells you, And what Paul Preaches is the right GOSPEL
GOD bless as HE sees fit.
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
This lets us know that once we know something is sin, and we do it anyway, that it is not under the Blood of JESUS CHRIST,
And if we are still choosing to sin, WE have not repented,
Romans 3: 25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God:
This here lets us know that it was for our past sins, not the ones in the future. If we willingly sin We haft to go back to JUSUS, And repent of that sin, And ask forgiveness for that sin that we willfully committed, Go back and see how the sanctuary works, And that is what JESUS IS DOING TODAY,
The BIBLE tells YOU, And we shouldn't haft to preach it to you, when Paul tells you, And what Paul Preaches is the right GOSPEL
GOD bless as HE sees fit.
Hello brother, I meant to reply to this post of yours sooner, so before I forget to, I was wondering if you'd like to discuss this subject any further? If not, that's fine, of course, but if you do, I would be interested in knowing some of the things that you find yourself in disagreement with me on (about church discipline), and why you are.
Again, no worries whatsoever if you'd prefer to not continue
Blessings to you in Christ!
~Deut
Again, no worries whatsoever if you'd prefer to not continue
Blessings to you in Christ!
~Deut
Why do you think they will spend eternity in hell?
Is it because they have an imprecise understanding of the Bible?
That includes every single Christian I know. You know, I am a doctrinal stickler but I certainly wouldn't claim that.
Is it because they don't belong to your cult?
I realize that there are some fake Christians, but I would never assign a percentage. Some are annoying, but I can't say who is and who is not a brother or sister in Christ.
I would reject the Christianity of anyone who denies that Jesus died for their sins on the Cross. I would reject the Christianity of those who knowingly and persistently teach false doctrine such as denying the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and justification by faith alone.
However, that doesn't mean they would end their lives in that state, either.
Is it because they have an imprecise understanding of the Bible?
That includes every single Christian I know. You know, I am a doctrinal stickler but I certainly wouldn't claim that.
Is it because they don't belong to your cult?
I realize that there are some fake Christians, but I would never assign a percentage. Some are annoying, but I can't say who is and who is not a brother or sister in Christ.
I would reject the Christianity of anyone who denies that Jesus died for their sins on the Cross. I would reject the Christianity of those who knowingly and persistently teach false doctrine such as denying the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and justification by faith alone.
However, that doesn't mean they would end their lives in that state, either.
The Seventh Day Adventist teaching about the Sanctuary is a false teaching. It is associated with the phrase "investigative judgment" for those who want to study it.
In essence, they claim Jesus didn't enter the Most Holy Place until 1844. A recording angel has been keeping track of every believers' sins. Jesus, when he entered the Most Holy Place in 1844, is reviewing the records of each person. If they had one single unrepentant sin at the time of their death, they are toast. When he comes to the living believers, their records are examined, and if they have a single unrepentant sin, they are toast. And, if they sin anymore after he reviews their records, they have no sin offering remaining, and they are toast.
Somehow we have to believe in a god who is dumb enough to save someone he knows is going to be lost, by the way. But, that's the same god that all those who claim a believer can lose their salvation believe in. Somehow they don't seem to connect the dots...God knows the future in detail (Is 46:9-10), therefore why would he save someone that he knows will lose their salvation?
This view is also dependent upon the presupposition that God doesn't preserve the person in their salvation, but it is totally up to them. As a Reformed believer, my position is that salvation is God's work, from beginning to end, and the Holy Spirit preserves the person in salvation. Additionally, Jesus intercedes for them CONTINUALLY at the throne of God.
By the way, I suggest that folks read the book of Hebrews CAREFULLY. It is a most encouraging book, and SDAs don't have a clue to what it is saying. They don't recognize the typology of the Temple and the Tabernacle, although they claim their doctrine in this regard is the best thing since sliced bread.
I also recommend the book Temple and Tabernacle by J. Daniel Hays, and the book God Dwells Among Us by GK Beale.
The underlying symbolism of the Tabernacle and Temple is AMAZING, and the SDAs do not understand it, despite their claims.
In essence, they claim Jesus didn't enter the Most Holy Place until 1844. A recording angel has been keeping track of every believers' sins. Jesus, when he entered the Most Holy Place in 1844, is reviewing the records of each person. If they had one single unrepentant sin at the time of their death, they are toast. When he comes to the living believers, their records are examined, and if they have a single unrepentant sin, they are toast. And, if they sin anymore after he reviews their records, they have no sin offering remaining, and they are toast.
Somehow we have to believe in a god who is dumb enough to save someone he knows is going to be lost, by the way. But, that's the same god that all those who claim a believer can lose their salvation believe in. Somehow they don't seem to connect the dots...God knows the future in detail (Is 46:9-10), therefore why would he save someone that he knows will lose their salvation?
This view is also dependent upon the presupposition that God doesn't preserve the person in their salvation, but it is totally up to them. As a Reformed believer, my position is that salvation is God's work, from beginning to end, and the Holy Spirit preserves the person in salvation. Additionally, Jesus intercedes for them CONTINUALLY at the throne of God.
By the way, I suggest that folks read the book of Hebrews CAREFULLY. It is a most encouraging book, and SDAs don't have a clue to what it is saying. They don't recognize the typology of the Temple and the Tabernacle, although they claim their doctrine in this regard is the best thing since sliced bread.
I also recommend the book Temple and Tabernacle by J. Daniel Hays, and the book God Dwells Among Us by GK Beale.
The underlying symbolism of the Tabernacle and Temple is AMAZING, and the SDAs do not understand it, despite their claims.
Deuteronomy,
I appreciate you reaching out. I did not see this response until a few minutes ago (I stopped following this thread). But I happened to click on it while browsing during lunch.
I read your post again.
I agree with the overall spirit of your last response to me, and it did really stop me in my tracks. As I said, it had the fruit of the spirit behind it. The things you posted are totally reasonable regarding church discipline of those who fall into willful sin and will not be reformed. However, I would prefer saying we all sin in ignorance at times, instead of just saying we all sin (with no qualifier).
Because a reasonable believer who truly loves the Lord, will not knowingly commit a sin against someone he loves, especially God (Romans 13:10; John 14:15; Matthew 22:36-40). I suspect that this may be a point of disagreement between us (and others as well).
I witnessed this scripture in action in your post:
"Speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things" (Ephesians 4:15).
I appreciate you reaching out. I did not see this response until a few minutes ago (I stopped following this thread). But I happened to click on it while browsing during lunch.
I read your post again.
I agree with the overall spirit of your last response to me, and it did really stop me in my tracks. As I said, it had the fruit of the spirit behind it. The things you posted are totally reasonable regarding church discipline of those who fall into willful sin and will not be reformed. However, I would prefer saying we all sin in ignorance at times, instead of just saying we all sin (with no qualifier).
Because a reasonable believer who truly loves the Lord, will not knowingly commit a sin against someone he loves, especially God (Romans 13:10; John 14:15; Matthew 22:36-40). I suspect that this may be a point of disagreement between us (and others as well).
I witnessed this scripture in action in your post:
"Speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things" (Ephesians 4:15).
Actually, I think most sins are knowingly, and they actually do reflect the state of the persons' heart, which needs continual renewal.
Acts of sin are like a thermometer that measures the state of one's heart. When a believer sees himself committing sins continually, he should realize that he needs a continual heart renewal, and cry out to God for this.
I view sin as being a symptom of heart issues rather than an arbitrary act..and I don't know any believer (including myself) who has arrived.
Acts of sin are like a thermometer that measures the state of one's heart. When a believer sees himself committing sins continually, he should realize that he needs a continual heart renewal, and cry out to God for this.
I view sin as being a symptom of heart issues rather than an arbitrary act..and I don't know any believer (including myself) who has arrived.
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The Bible speaks of a renewing of the mind.
Romans 12:
[2]...be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Ephesians 4:
[23] ...be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And...put on the new man...
I can't bring to mind a scripture that says the heart needs continual renewing.
But, there's these...
Believers have the law written in their hearts (Romans 2:15). Which is why it is written that "ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you" (Romans 6:17). With the heart man believes the gospel (Romans 10:9-10). If our heart needs continual renewing, and our belief in the gospel which saves us comes from the heart, that would imply our belief would need renewal as well. Moreover the scripture says that "because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying abba, Father (Galatians 4:6), Christ dwells in your heart by faith (Ephesians 3:17). Does Christ need to be renewed into your heart at any time?
The heart gets established by love, which would negate the need for a renewing.
1 Thessalonians 3:
[12]...the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men...[13] To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God...
Which is why Paul wished that:
2 Thessalonians 3:
[5]...the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God...
Because "love works no ill to his neighbor" (Romans 13:10).
So in conclusion, willful sin reflects who one obeys:
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof (Romans 6:12).
Romans 12:
[2]...be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Ephesians 4:
[23] ...be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And...put on the new man...
I can't bring to mind a scripture that says the heart needs continual renewing.
But, there's these...
Believers have the law written in their hearts (Romans 2:15). Which is why it is written that "ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you" (Romans 6:17). With the heart man believes the gospel (Romans 10:9-10). If our heart needs continual renewing, and our belief in the gospel which saves us comes from the heart, that would imply our belief would need renewal as well. Moreover the scripture says that "because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying abba, Father (Galatians 4:6), Christ dwells in your heart by faith (Ephesians 3:17). Does Christ need to be renewed into your heart at any time?
The heart gets established by love, which would negate the need for a renewing.
1 Thessalonians 3:
[12]...the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men...[13] To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God...
Which is why Paul wished that:
2 Thessalonians 3:
[5]...the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God...
Because "love works no ill to his neighbor" (Romans 13:10).
So in conclusion, willful sin reflects who one obeys:
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof (Romans 6:12).
My major point is that Christians can sin against their loved ones. Your claim, if I remember right, is that they don't love the person they are sinning against.
I am ok with your edit regarding renewing the mind, though.
Regarding the nature of the person, in terms of heart/mind/etcetera, I don't draw much of a distinction between the heart and the mind. I believe that some synergists go with a tripartite view of man's nature, which allows the spirit to be dead, and the soul to be free to make a decision. I'm not a synergist.
Regarding the difference between the mind and the heart, I don't view those distinctions I have heard to be very helpful. Some would indicate the heart is the emotional center, and the mind is the intellectual center. I think the person's heart encomposses both of these things.
At any rate, I know that believers, who have experienced regeneration, can sin against those they don't like and those that they like. In many cases, the issue is that they aren't walking in the Spirit, and need to get back to a closer walk with God through means of grace like prayer, bible study, fellowship, confession, worship, etcetera. Their world is not revolving around God as its center, as it should be. Sin is a barometer in this manner. If we sin, it shows that we are not exercising the means of grace like we should.
I am ok with your edit regarding renewing the mind, though.
Regarding the nature of the person, in terms of heart/mind/etcetera, I don't draw much of a distinction between the heart and the mind. I believe that some synergists go with a tripartite view of man's nature, which allows the spirit to be dead, and the soul to be free to make a decision. I'm not a synergist.
Regarding the difference between the mind and the heart, I don't view those distinctions I have heard to be very helpful. Some would indicate the heart is the emotional center, and the mind is the intellectual center. I think the person's heart encomposses both of these things.
At any rate, I know that believers, who have experienced regeneration, can sin against those they don't like and those that they like. In many cases, the issue is that they aren't walking in the Spirit, and need to get back to a closer walk with God through means of grace like prayer, bible study, fellowship, confession, worship, etcetera. Their world is not revolving around God as its center, as it should be. Sin is a barometer in this manner. If we sin, it shows that we are not exercising the means of grace like we should.
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Then there are those of us that think nobody survives after being thrown into a lake of fire. But, what do I know? I am just a peon around here.
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