3 Tactics Calvinists Use Against Non-Calvinists

[cv5]

human trash

if this is the speech of the chosen, one wonders where the love went

but then this god, the god of Calvin, has no use for love

he is all about creating human trash for the devil to roast

you can't make this unbiblical trash up, but very thoughtful of certain Calvinists to determine we need to understand that God, as we know Him, has undergone a radical change in the fringe worship of TULIP adherents everywhere

thankfully, this god is not the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob

this is Calvin's little deity that he patterned after his own personality

It is Jesus that is hurling people into Gehenna fire aka the spiritual garbage dump.
Not me, my task is to spread the Gospel to every creature. And I cannot tell who is foreoredained and who is not.
But Jesus can. And did.

John 5:22

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

John 6:64 etc

But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

 

[cv5]

The fruit you display here referring to God's creation , any part thereof, as human trash, demonstrates the truth of the five points of TULIP.
Totally Depravity. Calling anyone trash is not a sign of being filled with Holy Spirit God, nor having been reborn from the dead fallen state of sin.
There is another here that reflects that same fault and they feed on stirring controversy. The most evil wicked vicious words come out of their mind and are pressed onto the keyboard so as to speak irrevocably to all the world wide web their true spirit; hate, contempt, mockery, ridicule, and evil that seeks to seed evil in return.
When one is not a shining example of grace, they are a glaring warning of damnation in their sins.

Find Christ! It shall make you a better person than the ones that proudly cast rotted fruit before the eyes of the Christians here.

"Calling anyone trash is not a sign of being filled with Holy Spirit God"

Does that include JTB? Hardly.

Luke 3

“His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? “Therefore bear fruits in keeping with repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father,’ for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. “Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”

 

[cv5]

You know the saying: Men created God in their own image.

That often is the case, sadly. Instead of taking the Scriptures and letting them mold our image of God, we have our own image and try to make the Bible conform to that image.

This is why you often times see certain type of people drawn to certain teachings.

Well my friend, you will need to find alternatives to the following terms:

-foreordained
-predestinated
-chosen

The order of operations is exceedingly clear. To Paul. Who was taught by Christ Himself. You may be confused about the sequence of events, but Paul is not.

Rom 8:29 etc

For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

You see....the predestination comes before the calling. Correct?

 

[Whispered]

It is Jesus that is hurling people into Gehenna fire aka the spiritual garbage dump.
Not me, my task is to spread the Gospel to every creature.

Your measure of spreading a word doesn't lead people to the truth of God in Christ. It makes for them to put you on ignore because you are of a reprobate nature and a disciple of the precise opposite of Jesus; John Calvin.

 

[Whispered]

Well my friend, you will need to find alternatives to the following terms:

-foreordained
-predestinated
-chosen

The order of operations is exceedingly clear. To Paul. Who was taught by Christ Himself. You may be confused about the sequence of events, but Paul is not.

Rom 8:29 etc

For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

You see....the predestination comes before the calling. Correct?

No.
John 3:16 and 1st Timothy 4:10 proves you wrong. Wrong understanding leads to wrong teaching. Calvin is doomed for his blasphemy. Why follow that?

 

[Flint321]

No.
John 3:16 and 1st Timothy 4:10 proves you wrong. Wrong understanding leads to wrong teaching. Calvin is doomed for his blasphemy. Why follow that?

Well thats just mishandling the word of God, if you want to be biblical you have to embrace the whole counsel of God and not put truths against truths, verses against verses etc..... by doing this, it shows your theology is in some massive error.

 

[Flint321]

Here is a comment i wrote on this issue a while ago:

"I think the problem with alot of people not willing to believe in election is because of John 3:16, they unrightly divide the word of truth, they think that John 3:16 is preaching a UNIVERSAL SAVING LOVE OF GOD and hence reject Calvinism, they do this on the basis of a poor study and then they oppose texts like Romans 9 and others in the bible.

John 3:16 says this “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. "

So we see in this text, God's love.....Ok sure, so we learn here that God has manifested his love to the entire world, aka every tribe, nation etc... not just Israel... So does that contradict Romans 9:13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

No because, obviously, God has an elected people out of the world he is saving, the believing/repenting are those ones, as it says in John 3:16. God being LOVING does not mean that LOVE cant be particular in nature, as the bible points out to us throughout the OT and NT.

Also we see God's Sovereignty in Salvation prior to John 3:16 with Him the Spirit birthing people into His own kingdom prior to John 3:16, in John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

People often miss the whole teaching of a passage and cling to verses, this is how false doctrine is often propagated, THIS is NOT how the bible is meant to be taught or studied, there was NO verses in the original text but passages where read and taught together in harmony. "

To further clarify, John 3:16 is the gospel and it goes to everyone who believes/repents and only the elect believe and repent, the bible teaches this.

 

[cv5]

Your measure of spreading a word doesn't lead people to the truth of God in Christ. It makes for them to put you on ignore because you are of a reprobate nature and a disciple of the precise opposite of Jesus; John Calvin.

Does Jude also suffer from this same reprobate nature? So is Jude is not filled with the Spirit as some here say?

Jude 1:10

But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.

 

[cv5]

Does Jude also suffer from this same reprobate nature? So is Jude is not filled with the Spirit as some here say?

Jude 1:10

But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.

Your measure of spreading a word doesn't lead people to the truth of God in Christ. It makes for them to put you on ignore because you are of a reprobate nature and a disciple of the precise opposite of Jesus; John Calvin.

What about Paul? Will anyone here condemn him too?

Gal 1:8

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

Jesus Himself made the exact same declaration. Many times. Is He not filled with the Spirit?

Matt 25:41

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

 

[cv5]

No.
John 3:16 and 1st Timothy 4:10 proves you wrong. Wrong understanding leads to wrong teaching. Calvin is doomed for his blasphemy. Why follow that?

John Ch 3 is perhaps the most devastating statements supporting foreordination and predestination in all of Scripture.

Tell us all about the decisions you made regarding your birth.

"You do err not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God"

 

[Whispered]

Well thats just mishandling the word of God, if you want to be biblical you have to embrace the whole counsel of God and not put truths against truths, verses against verses etc..... by doing this, it shows your theology is in some massive error.

And yet you criticize without using scripture to uphold your contention.
If you are Calvinist, and believe in TULIP you're living the word of God mishandled by strange men who in their zeal to leave a legacy wherein they misled the world, rewrote the word of The Word, first assured they were one of the Unconditionally Elect they claim to exist as they see it.

And come their time, they shall answer for it.

Pray, you are not there standing beside them. In part I believe that is why so many Christians here continue the campaign to confront the blasphemy that is TULIP, Calvinism, and certain Denominational teachings under the shade of TULIP in Reformed Theology .

 

[Whispered]

Here is a comment i wrote on this issue a while ago:

"I think the problem with alot of people not willing to believe in election is because of John 3:16, they unrightly divide the word of truth, they think that John 3:16 is preaching a UNIVERSAL SAVING LOVE OF GOD and hence reject Calvinism, they do this on the basis of a poor study and then they oppose texts like Romans 9 and others in the bible.

John 3:16 says this “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. "

So we see in this text, God's love.....Ok sure, so we learn here that God has manifested his love to the entire world, aka every tribe, nation etc... not just Israel... So does that contradict Romans 9:13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

No because, obviously, God has an elected people out of the world he is saving, the believing/repenting are those ones, as it says in John 3:16. God being LOVING does not mean that LOVE cant be particular in nature, as the bible points out to us throughout the OT and NT.

Also we see God's Sovereignty in Salvation prior to John 3:16 with Him the Spirit birthing people into His own kingdom prior to John 3:16, in John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

People often miss the whole teaching of a passage and cling to verses, this is how false doctrine is often propagated, THIS is NOT how the bible is meant to be taught or studied, there was NO verses in the original text but passages where read and taught together in harmony. "

To further clarify, John 3:16 is the gospel and it goes to everyone who believes/repents and only the elect believe and repent, the bible teaches this.

What if?
What if you misunderstand Election by believing first in Unconditional Election?

 

[EleventhHour]

only hell bound human trash to be shoveled into eternal hell with Satan and the demons.

This statement is disgusting

 

[Whispered]

John Calvin ignored one pertinent scripture that revokes his teaching. God is not a respecter of persons.
That makes Unconditional Election impossible.

 

[Flint321]

And yet you criticize without using scripture to uphold your contention.
If you are Calvinist, and believe in TULIP you're living the word of God mishandled by strange men who in their zeal to leave a legacy wherein they misled the world, rewrote the word of The Word, first assured they were one of the Unconditionally Elect they claim to exist as they see it.

And come their time, they shall answer for it.

Pray, you are not there standing beside them. In part I believe that is why so many Christians here continue the campaign to confront the blasphemy that is TULIP, Calvinism, and certain Denominational teachings under the shade of TULIP in Reformed Theology .

Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge, did you not see my comment below that one? anyway i know you did since u replied to it aswell, so i do have scripture

Anyway, if you want to know the truth, humble yourself before God and read Romans 9, we cant destroy election its in the bible and it is unconditional:

Romans 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls

Its based upon God's good pleasure and will.

Romans 9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

Maybe you should stop blaspheming God's word, btw Martin Luther wrote more on uncondiontal election than "John Calvin"

 

[Flint321]

John Calvin ignored one pertinent scripture that revokes his teaching. God is not a respecter of persons.
That makes Unconditional Election impossible.

To this i shall also reply with a video:

 

[cv5]

This statement is disgusting

Jesus said exactly that to the Pharisees. Many times. As did JTB. So did Paul. So did Peter and Jude. Worse actually. Jesus called them sons of the Devil. He said that Judas would have been better of to never have been born.

The end time liberal Churches (many with women Pastors contrary to the express command of Scripture) never want to hear such talk of judgment damnation and warnings of imminent doom. Jesus had no such qualms.

 

[Whispered]

This statement is disgusting

Agreed.
Luke 6:45
The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

 

[Whispered]

Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge, did you not see my comment below that one? anyway i know you did since u replied to it aswell, so i do have scripture

After the first post.

 

[Whispered]

To this i shall also reply with a video:

Because God's word has always refuted Calvin's god.