2 Years Are Left, and the Two Witnesses Are About to Emerge to the World Anytime Now
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@Cameron143 's Post #121, where you'd said,
Right, so your question had to do with Revelation 1:7's wording, which says,
"Behold, he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him, [that's every eye existing on the earth at the time-slot being spoken of (His "RETURN" to the earth)]
and they also which pierced him: [i.e. a particular people]
and all kindreds [/tribes] of the earth shall wail because of him.
[as I understand it, the word "TRIBES" in Scripture (here expressed as, 'tribes of the earth') only ever speaks of "the tribes of Israel" (so, at the time-slot being spoken of--far-future--I see in Scripture that there will be both believers and unbelievers amongst these "tribes" of the earth... my view is that the unbelieving among "all" of those "tribes" will be the ones who will "WAIL" because of Him)]
Even so, Amen."
So in this verse there's "every eye" AND "they also which pierced Him" AND "all tribes of the earth" (existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced: His Second Coming to the earth, far-future to the time written)
You had essentially asked, how could the people "which pierced Him" (in 32ad) also still exist on the earth at His [far-future] Second Coming to the earth, if this Rev1:7 is indeed speaking of THAT (and not the 70ad events that you see it speaking to).
My response involved the Matt23:35 / 2Chron24:20-22 "spans-of-time" matter (and its own "WHOM YE SLEW" designation).
IOW, the person 2Chron24:20-24 being referenced in Matthew 23:35 as being "WHOM YE SLEW" existed on the earth MANY YEARS prior to when the people Jesus was addressing (in Matt23) existed.
[likewise, with those in Rev1:7b "they also which pierced Him" (a particular people group) will still exist on the earth in that far-future time-slot when Jesus will be RETURNing to the earth at Rev19: the Subject of Rev1:7 ... yet, many yrs after the Cross]
Make sense?
Right, so your question had to do with Revelation 1:7's wording, which says,
"Behold, he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him, [that's every eye existing on the earth at the time-slot being spoken of (His "RETURN" to the earth)]
and they also which pierced him: [i.e. a particular people]
and all kindreds [/tribes] of the earth shall wail because of him.
[as I understand it, the word "TRIBES" in Scripture (here expressed as, 'tribes of the earth') only ever speaks of "the tribes of Israel" (so, at the time-slot being spoken of--far-future--I see in Scripture that there will be both believers and unbelievers amongst these "tribes" of the earth... my view is that the unbelieving among "all" of those "tribes" will be the ones who will "WAIL" because of Him)]
Even so, Amen."
So in this verse there's "every eye" AND "they also which pierced Him" AND "all tribes of the earth" (existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced: His Second Coming to the earth, far-future to the time written)
You had essentially asked, how could the people "which pierced Him" (in 32ad) also still exist on the earth at His [far-future] Second Coming to the earth, if this Rev1:7 is indeed speaking of THAT (and not the 70ad events that you see it speaking to).
My response involved the Matt23:35 / 2Chron24:20-22 "spans-of-time" matter (and its own "WHOM YE SLEW" designation).
IOW, the person 2Chron24:20-24 being referenced in Matthew 23:35 as being "WHOM YE SLEW" existed on the earth MANY YEARS prior to when the people Jesus was addressing (in Matt23) existed.
[likewise, with those in Rev1:7b "they also which pierced Him" (a particular people group) will still exist on the earth in that far-future time-slot when Jesus will be RETURNing to the earth at Rev19: the Subject of Rev1:7
... yet, many yrs after the Cross]Make sense?
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@Cameron143 's Post #121, where you'd said,
Right, so your question had to do with Revelation 1:7's wording, which says,
"Behold, he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him, [that's every eye existing on the earth at the time-slot being spoken of (His "RETURN" to the earth)]
and they also which pierced him: [i.e. a particular people]
and all kindreds [/tribes] of the earth shall wail because of him.
[as I understand it, the word "TRIBES" in Scripture (here expressed as, 'tribes of the earth') only ever speaks of "the tribes of Israel" (so, at the time-slot being spoken of--far-future--I see in Scripture that there will be both believers and unbelievers amongst these "tribes" of the earth... my view is that the unbelieving among "all" of those "tribes" will be the ones who will "WAIL" because of Him)]
Even so, Amen."
So in this verse there's "every eye" AND "they also which pierced Him" AND "all tribes of the earth" (existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced: His Second Coming to the earth, far-future to the time written)
You had essentially asked, how could the people "which pierced Him" (in 32ad) also still exist on the earth at His [far-future] Second Coming to the earth, if this Rev1:7 is indeed speaking of THAT (and not the 70ad events that you see it speaking to).
My response involved the Matt23:35 / 2Chron24:20-22 "spans-of-time" matter (and its own "WHOM YE SLEW" designation).
IOW, the person 2Chron24:20-24 being referenced in Matthew 23:35 as being "WHOM YE SLEW" existed on the earth MANY YEARS prior to when the people Jesus was addressing (in Matt23) existed.
[likewise, with those in Rev1:7b "they also which pierced Him" (a particular people group) will still exist on the earth in that far-future time-slot when Jesus will be RETURNing to the earth at Rev19: the Subject of Rev1:7 ... yet, many yrs after the Cross]
Make sense?
Right, so your question had to do with Revelation 1:7's wording, which says,
"Behold, he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him, [that's every eye existing on the earth at the time-slot being spoken of (His "RETURN" to the earth)]
and they also which pierced him: [i.e. a particular people]
and all kindreds [/tribes] of the earth shall wail because of him.
[as I understand it, the word "TRIBES" in Scripture (here expressed as, 'tribes of the earth') only ever speaks of "the tribes of Israel" (so, at the time-slot being spoken of--far-future--I see in Scripture that there will be both believers and unbelievers amongst these "tribes" of the earth... my view is that the unbelieving among "all" of those "tribes" will be the ones who will "WAIL" because of Him)]
Even so, Amen."
So in this verse there's "every eye" AND "they also which pierced Him" AND "all tribes of the earth" (existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced: His Second Coming to the earth, far-future to the time written)
You had essentially asked, how could the people "which pierced Him" (in 32ad) also still exist on the earth at His [far-future] Second Coming to the earth, if this Rev1:7 is indeed speaking of THAT (and not the 70ad events that you see it speaking to).
My response involved the Matt23:35 / 2Chron24:20-22 "spans-of-time" matter (and its own "WHOM YE SLEW" designation).
IOW, the person 2Chron24:20-24 being referenced in Matthew 23:35 as being "WHOM YE SLEW" existed on the earth MANY YEARS prior to when the people Jesus was addressing (in Matt23) existed.
[likewise, with those in Rev1:7b "they also which pierced Him" (a particular people group) will still exist on the earth in that far-future time-slot when Jesus will be RETURNing to the earth at Rev19: the Subject of Rev1:7
... yet, many yrs after the Cross]Make sense?
And thanks for bearing with me.
The Lord saw very clearly that you said "I believe outside of what we learn through studying the Bible"
Are you claiming now that you did not write that?
Maybe some hackers took over your account for a while there and posted that?
Let's stay honest here OK? You did in fact post this leading us to believe that you believe sources outside of the Bible as being truth.
You're kinda stuck here because we can all see that you posted this and now apparently you wish you had not, or you realize you got caught saying something that now Christian should be saying which is we should NOT be looking anyplace other than God's Word for truth
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)
Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
I hope things get better for you man, I really do!
I'd say there is a difference between "trying to SECOND GUESS God"... and trying to ascertain exactly what the Word of God (the Bible) actually discloses to us. = )
The word "know" in those contexts ("knoweth no man" [not even Jesus Himself, Mk13]) shows that it is in the "PERFECT tense" (PERFECT indicative): "knoweth [perfect indicative] no man"...
"PERFECT tense" meaning, "Action completed at a specific POINT of TIME in PAST (.) with results CONTINUING into the PRESENT (>)."
Used in this context, it is conveying that no one (not even Jesus) "knows" (at the time this was spoken).
It is NOT also conveying "no one WILL EVER know" nor "no one CAN EVER know". That is to READ INTO this verse that which is NOT FOUND/EXPRESSED IN this verse.
Per the context, Jesus was talking about His Second Coming to the earth (Rev19 / Matt24:29-31 / etc).
But after His ascension when He was glorified / exalted, this sentence (about "knoweth [PERFECT indicative] no man") NO LONGER APPLIED... TO JESUS.
[... and then some 60+ years later, He disclosed FUTHER INFORMATION on *this* Subject, in the Book of Revelation... including a great many specific time-stamps and time-related indicators throughout that Book]
The word "know" in those contexts ("knoweth no man" [not even Jesus Himself, Mk13]) shows that it is in the "PERFECT tense" (PERFECT indicative): "knoweth [perfect indicative] no man"...
"PERFECT tense" meaning, "Action completed at a specific POINT of TIME in PAST (.) with results CONTINUING into the PRESENT (>)."
Used in this context, it is conveying that no one (not even Jesus) "knows" (at the time this was spoken).
It is NOT also conveying "no one WILL EVER know" nor "no one CAN EVER know". That is to READ INTO this verse that which is NOT FOUND/EXPRESSED IN this verse.
Per the context, Jesus was talking about His Second Coming to the earth (Rev19 / Matt24:29-31 / etc).
But after His ascension when He was glorified / exalted, this sentence (about "knoweth [PERFECT indicative] no man") NO LONGER APPLIED... TO JESUS.
[... and then some 60+ years later, He disclosed FUTHER INFORMATION on *this* Subject, in the Book of Revelation... including a great many specific time-stamps and time-related indicators throughout that Book]
But Jesus said the earthquakes and stars falling to the earth takes place at his coming.
You said the earthquake and the stars falling from heaven took place in 70 ad.
Now you saying the stars of heaven are going to fall again?
Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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When I hear about yet another internet "theologian" predicting the "End is Near" just like the crazies who at least painted up a sign of some sort....I usually ignore them.
Even Christopher Columbus had this same thought....the whole world did during WW1&2. Millerites sold and gave away everything and waited out in a field until they were too thirsty and starving and tried to earn a living in the rural community....then Laurie White descended upon them and founded the 7th Day Adventists.
Then there was the Children's Brigade to the sea....the 100 years war and the 40 years war.
Even Christopher Columbus had this same thought....the whole world did during WW1&2. Millerites sold and gave away everything and waited out in a field until they were too thirsty and starving and tried to earn a living in the rural community....then Laurie White descended upon them and founded the 7th Day Adventists.
Then there was the Children's Brigade to the sea....the 100 years war and the 40 years war.
Truth be known...
Everyone has been saying that it's the "end time" for the past 2,000 years.
So what are we to know with all certainty?
None of these people who claim to know really do. They may even believe themselves but they are still false prophets.
There's an end coming...and we really don't know when it is. So....best bet is to just be ready. Don't practice Gnosticism which is a form of simply licensing sin. Don't endorse the practice either.
Stay true to God....it's as simple as that. Don't play games with your faith. And no matter what you can be a pan-millenialist....where it will all pan out well for you.
Everyone has been saying that it's the "end time" for the past 2,000 years.
So what are we to know with all certainty?
None of these people who claim to know really do. They may even believe themselves but they are still false prophets.
There's an end coming...and we really don't know when it is. So....best bet is to just be ready. Don't practice Gnosticism which is a form of simply licensing sin. Don't endorse the practice either.
Stay true to God....it's as simple as that. Don't play games with your faith. And no matter what you can be a pan-millenialist....where it will all pan out well for you.
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I'm trying to put you in the position of a first century Jew and see how they would have understood what is written. The key, to me, to understanding the book of Revelation is to understand how God uses language in the OT. If you understand this, then you can understand what God is saying in the NT.
Israel, the Nation and war is the biggest clue. 2 prophetic Biblical wars indicate when the world turns on Israel. If Israel does what it has announced with this Hamas War it could result into allies of Israel coming against it. We could be years away from the End or weeks and months pending on the reactions to Israel's end goal and their ambitions towards the other War they're involved in.
We truly are closer than ever before and may even be literally closer than we know. There's basically only the Revelation Prophecies left (outside some small ones). And they seem to be more and more of a probability to happen in some of our life time's. I think claiming the end is near has more truth to it than 1800 years ago, even 100 years ago.
We truly are closer than ever before and may even be literally closer than we know. There's basically only the Revelation Prophecies left (outside some small ones). And they seem to be more and more of a probability to happen in some of our life time's. I think claiming the end is near has more truth to it than 1800 years ago, even 100 years ago.
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