1 Corinthians 14 study guide

oyster67 · May 14, 2019

Thank you. I feel free now and have deep peace and joy, but I will admit that there was a time when I didn't think very highly of the professional tongue-talkers and healers either. The tongues-talkers tried to teach me and even pressure me to "speak in tongues". Basically, they told me to pucker my lips and make animal noises. The healers told my mother that, If she sent them all her money, then they would call down healing from heaven upon her. They got rich and she died a horrible death several months later.

I finally took it to the Lord and He showed me through the Word what the things pertaining to the Holy Spirit are really all about. It is all about preparing our souls for the next life, not preparing our bodies for the few remaining years in this one. Not sure how tongues fits into all that, but I want to reassure you that I have seen the real thing, and to my shock and amazement, it even happened to me. It was not frightening, but it really did surprise me.

I know that lots of foolishness goes on in "churches" these days. But I have been blessed with seeing the real thing.

garee · May 14, 2019

Dino246 said:

You, your reply was evidence of another idea other than mine "walking by sight" no mixture of faith. That we might not walk after the things seen (2 Corithians 4:18)

Waking by sight is after the natural course of this world also called a evil generation, the generation of Adam. Everyone that has eyes to see seeks after that kind of understanding . If there is a hole in the road because they are walking by sight they can avoid stumbling.

But is there is a spiritual sign of prophecy that confirm God is mocking those who mock him yet for all that they still hope the sign represents a blessing .it confirm them in unbelief.

I think it depends on what is drawing us. If there sign that confirm a person is in unbelief . the they should go around the pot hole rather tham making in.

RickyZ said:

Same question. What does the sign of tongues confirm or acknowledge? Why would God mock one group with stammering lips and yet for all that they still refuse I to acknowledge His word and did not enter His rest?

Just exactly world you say I am lacking as far as understanding? Wrong foundation ? Another gospel of signs and wonderment ?

Dino246 · May 14, 2019

garee said:

You haven't quoted me making such a claim. You've only asserted that I have made such claims in roundabout fashion. That is not acceptable evidence.

"Having an idea different from yours" is not "believing that modern-day messages in tongues should be added to Scripture". Not by a dozen country miles.

Find a quote, or have the decency to admit that you can't, and stop asserting that "people" believe something when you can't prove it with quotations.

garee · May 14, 2019

Lafftur said:

No those signs are used a metaphors that follow after one has believed . No such thing as sign gift . We walk by faith the unseen eternal .They are not sign viewable to the eye that one uses to confirm what they believe, like: (look at me, touch me, hear me I am living proof the Holy Spirit is working). We look to what the eye sees but marvel not, it must be compared . The spiritual unseen interpretation to the same unseen (faith to faith) .The idea of drinking literal poison should be enough for a person to understand a parable is in view hiding the gospel from those who walk after the things see the temporal rather than that not seen the eternal.

Some simply refuse to apply the prescription he has given to us to rightly divide the parables . Forgetting we are not what we will be. God is not a man as us.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

1 John 3 King James Version (KJV)Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

garee · May 14, 2019

Dino246 said:

Find what quote? That people seek after things that draw them whether they are good or evil ? Are you drawn to speak in a tongue?

If you are neutral why even give a opinion of what you believe seeing you seem to be in the middle? Have you been slain in the spirit as a sign of something ? Have you drank poison and it has not affected ?

What does the sign of tongues confirm or acknowledge according to our one source of faith (the Bible) ? Or is there no sign to acknowledge something to begin with?

Matthew 12:39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Why does an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. Who is the evil generation and what makes them evil ? What makes them different than the generation of Christ, the believers?

Matthew 16:4A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Mark 8:11And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him.And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

Luke 11:29And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

1 Corinthians 1:22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

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Dino246 · May 14, 2019

garee said:

I'm not going to justify ignorance. I've told you repeatedly what you need to quote. Come on, Garee, quit playing games. Either quote someone or drop the matter.

garee · May 15, 2019

Dino246 said:

I could mention names of those who believe in "sign gifts" a phrase not found in the bible. .

Again are you looking for a quote that says someone desires to speak in what they call tongues?

Its what the subject matter is in regard to . Seeking after something not seen to confirm something that some call sign gifts .

What do you think the the sign of tongues confirms . Unbelief or belief?

Why when building the doctrine did the Holy Spirit mention again and again "Yet for all that, yet they still refuse to beleive prophecy?

Tongues, in respect to a sign is a curse. Tongues is prophecy as one of the many manners God did speak .

Technically the whole new testament is a tongue. The Holy Spirit of Christ coming as promised in Joel to bring the gospel into the whole word speaking through all the nations of the world . Men and woman and children alike sent out as apostles two by the two. Jesus said the fields are ripe.

If those who are seeking to confirm something by a action they perform thought they were seeking after a curse. I am sure the calling to "sign gifts" would be shown for what it is another source of faith). turning things upside down . Using the things seen to represent the eternal as walking by sight and not as we are instructed . Remembering that not only does the Holy Spirit teach and comfort us but that comfort is also that which brings to our minds we are not what we will be.

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The reformation has come the end of the order after a levite had come. The priesthood of believers after the manner of melchedik had come the veil is rent. .Christ our high priest continually without beginning or end has taken his proper place of faith, as the holy place unseen .

Note... ( my addition)

Acts2:17-19 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: (Jew and gentile alike) and your sons and your daughters(male and female alike) shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

The phrase and "signs" in the earth beneath speak directly to the sign of tongues( Isaiah 28) God mocking, unbeleif in the heart of men that mock Him. And yet for all that they still refuse to belive.in prophecy. It speaks of judgment blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

Dino246 · May 15, 2019

garee said:

Well, (biting my tongue and shaking my head)...

I have asked you many times to QUOTE anyone who claims that modern-day utterances (tongues or prophecy) are to be considered additional parts of Scripture.

Since you cannot, because there are none, PLEASE STOP asserting that ANYONE believes that. It's completely ridiculous and makes trying to discuss this subject with you a waste of time.

Don't respond with anything other than an actual quotation of anyone making such a claim, or an acknowledgement that there are, indeed, no such people.

UnderGrace · May 15, 2019

oyster67 said:

Thank you. I feel free now and have deep peace and joy, but I will admit that there was a time when I didn't think very highly of the professional tongue-talkers and healers either. The tongues-talkers tried to teach me and even pressure me to "speak in tongues". Basically, they told me to pucker my lips and make animal noises. The healers told my mother that, If she sent them all her money, then they would call down healing from heaven upon her. They got rich and she died a horrible death several months later.

I finally took it to the Lord and He showed me through the Word what the things pertaining to the Holy Spirit are really all about. It is all about preparing our souls for the next life, not preparing our bodies for the few remaining years in this one. Not sure how tongues fits into all that, but I want to reassure you that I have seen the real thing, and to my shock and amazement, it even happened to me. It was not frightening, but it really did surprise me.

I know that lots of foolishness goes on in "churches" these days. But I have been blessed with seeing the real thing.

What exactly it the "real thing" and how does one know?

garee · May 15, 2019

I think I mentioned the whole group of sign seekers that use the phrase "sign gifts". (no such thing we walk by faith.) Jesus calls them a evil generation (no faith) natural unconverted mankind.

Tongues is prophecy (God's word) as one of the many manners God did bring new revelations. We have the complete source of Christ's faith, his book of prophecy sealed with 7 seals.. guarded with the flaming two edged sword of His judgment.

There are no laws missing by which we could know Him not seen any more adequately . No new revelations, no new knowledge. No widening the authority of as it is written to include the outward fleshly experiences of men.

Because some modern-day signs and wonders utterances do make a noise in a hope of confirming something . What does prophecy spoken in a manner you can understand say the sign confirms? (1 Corinthian 14:22-23)

I say if it confirms what he informs us it does ." unbelief" (the yet for all that they still refuse to believe prophecy after any manner )

That sign? " unbelief"

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

Dino246 · May 15, 2019

garee said:

I'm thinking that you may not understand the concept of "quote".

A quote (or 'quotation') is a selection of words actually written (or spoken) by someone. It is not a paraphrase, summary, impression, interpretation, or anything else. It is a person's actual words.

If you cannot provide a quote of anyone claiming that modern-day utterances (tongues or prophecy) are intended to be additions to Scripture, then stop asserting that "people" claim that they are.

oyster67 · May 15, 2019

UnderGrace said:

It's not the kind of 'thing' I like to talk about here on the BDF. People will just use it for ammo to mock God with.

It will only happened at times when was resting quietly or worshipping with believers who were open to the possibility of such things. It didn't happen to me until I had been a Christian for quite a long time. I didn't expect it, I never saw it coming, but I did not doubt the possibility of it happening either. If you want to experience it, just ask for it. You will know, I can promise you that.

Tinkerbell725 · May 15, 2019

oyster67 said:

Rom 8:26-27

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Rev 2:2

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

1 John 4:1

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Speaking in tongues is considered elementary and only for self edification. It is one of the signs and wonders that diminishes the power and wisdom of God which is Jesus Christ. As if the word of God is not enough that they have to resort to miracles to prove God's power. Christians are advised to move away from childish things and go into the perfection of faith. This signs and wonders apply only to the jews and not to christians. Jews are all about physical things because they are the physical kingdom of God while christians are the spiritual kingdom of God.

Dino246 · May 15, 2019

Tinkerbell725 said:

Speaking in tongues is considered elementary and only for self edification. It is one of the signs and wonders that diminishes the power and wisdom of God which is Jesus Christ. As if the word of God is not enough that they have to resort to miracles to prove God's power. Christians are advised to move away from childish things and go into the perfection of faith. This signs and wonders apply only to the jews and not to christians.

This is unbiblical hogwash. None of this is based on Scripture.

garee · May 16, 2019

Dino246 said:

The principle is there and will not go way because I do not give names (Like Waggle) or others that claim to have had experience as the source of those who seek after superstitious wonderments. . It is like the Acts thing you were using . Because there was no one there as unbelievers it did not destroy the sign. One without faith could walk into the room one two seconds later. Sign confirm unbelief.(No God) ]

I would say back the foundation of the doctrine.(Isaiah 28) Once you confirm what the sign confirms( 1 Corinthians 14:22-23) then the rest of the doctrine falls into place.

Tongue is simply one of the many supernatural manners that God brought prophecy when he was still adding to His book of prophecy (The word of God) . In these last days he has spoken through His son .We have the perfect as it is written . Electronic Translators that can be bring the understanding of two different languages are avialble today . Wall Mart has one for less the $50.00. Great tool to get the gospel out into all the nations. One company has named it" Tongues"

Dino246 · May 16, 2019

garee said:

Garee, I don't say this to be unkind, but I really don't think you understand this issue. You keep dragging the conversation back to "tongues" in general. That is not the issue I am addressing.

You continually claim that "those" who believe in modern-day speaking in tongues (or prophesying) also believe that the messages delivered in tongues are to be added to Scripture.

I have asked you repeatedly to quote anyone who believes that, because in ~30 years as a Christian, much of it in close proximity with pentecostal and charismatic believers, I have never encountered such a belief. NEVER. So, I am asking you to provide evidence to support your assertion.

You haven't quoted anyone making such a claim. Instead, you've dodged, avoided the question, talked about Isaiah 28, pointed to Acts 2, offered your own summaries of what people believe, and even accused me of believing that because of other things that I have written. You haven't provided a shred of actual evidence, yet you keep repeating your assertion. That is a lack of intellectual integrity.

You have NO EVIDENCE that anyone believes what you think they believe. You just have your misinterpretation, and you keep asserting it as though it were truth.

You're free to keep believing the lies you make up, but I will keep calling them what they are: hogwash.

garee · May 17, 2019

Hi Dino

The issue or thread title is 1 Corinthians 14 study guide as tongue in general . We are focusing in on the "sign" trying to understand what the sign acknowledges. It the key to understanding tongues, a new manner of prophecy used for a short while.

I do not think those who require a sign before they believe could add even if they thought they could. They love their oral traditions.

This one makes the word of God without effect in respect to how the "sign" is viewed..

You have not met a Pentecostal asa charismatic believer who does not believe the sign of tongues is a curse and not blessing. Whether they think they are adding to the existing prophecy is not the problem . They are adding whether they believe it or not. Jesus said in both the foundation (Isaiah28) and the widening of the understanding of foundational law (1 Corinthians 14;22-23) :"Yet for all that they still refuse to believe God" That should give a clue who God is mocking with stammering lips .

.Whatever they believe they are hoping it is a sign that confirms they are receiving the Holy Spirit every time they perform something . Fill up what's lacking. Fall back as a sign to God when full, make a noise.

I offer that the whole Pentecostal and charismatic community is in error with the sign of tongues confirming their unbelief(no faith)

No such thing as sign gift. Spiritual gift yes. Sign and gift are not used to represent biblical understanding. We walk by faith after the eternal not seen. Its supports my interpretation as well as His.

I offer my summary of what the bible warns us not to believe.

I assert the Bible as truth

There are pages of evidence that people believe the sign of tongues confirms something.?They simply have their oral tradition of men. . The word of God has no effect to those who seek after as sign before they believe. They simply chose the wrong sign to turn upside down .

Why do they offer that hogwash? What's the hope? Perhaps that God cannot see into our hearts and need signs language to understand us?

There are pages of evidence what a person believes. What do you say as your evidence of what the sign of tongues confirms? Belief faith) or unbelief (no faith) can't serve two masters . again faith or no faith?

You're free to support the hogwash .

Dino246 · May 17, 2019

garee said:

Hi Dino

The issue or thread title is 1 Corinthians 14 study guide as tongue in general . We are focusing in on the "sign" trying to understand what the sign acknowledges. It the key to understanding tongues, a new manner of prophecy used for a short while.

I do not think those who require a sign before they believe could add even if they thought they could. They love their oral traditions.

This one makes the word of God without effect in respect to how the "sign" is viewed..

You have not met a Pentecostal asa charismatic believer who does not believe the sign of tongues is a curse and not blessing. Whether they think they are adding to the existing prophecy is not the problem . They are adding whether they believe it or not. Jesus said in both the foundation (Isaiah28) and the widening of the understanding of foundational law (1 Corinthians 14;22-23) :"Yet for all that they still refuse to believe God" That should give a clue who God is mocking with stammering lips .

.Whatever they believe they are hoping it is a sign that confirms they are receiving the Holy Spirit every time they perform something . Fill up what's lacking. Fall back as a sign to God when full, make a noise.

I offer that the whole Pentecostal and charismatic community is in error with the sign of tongues confirming their unbelief(no faith)

No such thing as sign gift. Spiritual gift yes. Sign and gift are not used to represent biblical understanding. We walk by faith after the eternal not seen. Its supports my interpretation as well as His.

I offer my summary of what the bible warns us not to believe.

I assert the Bible as truth

There are pages of evidence that people believe the sign of tongues confirms something.?They simply have their oral tradition of men. . The word of God has no effect to those who seek after as sign before they believe. They simply chose the wrong sign to turn upside down .

Why do they offer that hogwash? What's the hope? Perhaps that God cannot see into our hearts and need signs language to understand us?

There are pages of evidence what a person believes. What do you say as your evidence of what the sign of tongues confirms? Belief faith) or unbelief (no faith) can't serve two masters . again faith or no faith?

You're free to support the hogwash .

Once again, you dodge the issue I have clearly and specifically addressed.

Since you refuse to provide any actual quotations to support your assertions, I can only conclude that you are spreading lies.

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