JESUS CHRIST VS PROPHET MOHAMMAD

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JustWhoIAm said:
The spirit of God IS the prophet.
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You are saying the Holy Spirit is a prophet?
JustWhoIAm said:
This is why Muslims have problems understanding how Jesus could be God and not God at the same time.
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If you word it this way, you'd confuse a Christian too. How can someone be and not be at the same time? Jesus is the word of God who became flesh; He always was all that God is but not all there is to God. He was with God and he was God Jn. 1 The Scripture doesn't say he was and then was not God.
JustWhoIAm said:
God is Spirit, Paul was right.
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that's right He is Spirit and He is Holy; therefore, God is the Holy Spirit.
JustWhoIAm said:
As Christians we become our creator in Spirit, the living water.
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What?
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Look at the true Christian and the fruit in their lives. That will tell you a lot. We ARE Jesus through the Spirit of God.

By Spirit, understand. Sanctified. One with our creator by faith, we know who we are ;)
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You are on a slippery slope here. But as many as received Him to them he gave the power to become the sons of God, but you are calling yourself Jesus. Jesus is your Creator and you are saying you are Him? Jesus prayed that we'd be one with God as He was one with Him, but don't you feel that you might be presumptuous and premature with these statements? Even when Jesus walked on earth, He didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped, but you seem to be doing that here!
 
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Burninglight said:
Why was this member banned?
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Id imagine for trying to tell others that Muhammad was a prophet of God : p I vaguely remember the poster making another post somewhere else on the forum in defense of Muhammad. This site has a rule against teachings that go against the teachings of Christ, or whatever.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
Id imagine for trying to tell others that Muhammad was a prophet of God : p I vaguely remember the poster making another post somewhere else on the forum in defense of Muhammad. This site has a rule against teachings that go against the teachings of Christ, or whatever.
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Are you sure? It doesn't sound like a good reason to ban someone, but someone who is in need of the gospel and our love. I just don't see Jesus rejecting a person like that; we owe our love. He was at a place where we could be witnessed to him and perhaps win to Christ. If he was ban for that I would be very disappointed.
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
I am second generation Malaysian chinese immigrant from China. My grandpa and grandma (my father's father and mother) came to Malaysia from Quilin, China. My dad was born and bred in Malaysia, so am I. So, we are not China citizen but Malaysian.

Majority of the Malaysian muslims are moderate (Sunni). Thats why Christianity is allowed to be preach here in Malaysia.
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I know there are mostly moderate Muslims who are hospitable and friendly. There is no doubt about that even the media know it.

Muslims are moderate, but Islam is not. ISIS interprets the Quran accurately. An Islamic state (Sharia) will not allow Christianity unless Christians pay an oppressive tax, convert to Islam or be killed. Islam is a great deception; in fact, Allah refers to himself as "The Best of Deceivers"
 
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Muhammad can be compared to Joseph Smith, but it makes no sense or it is disgraceful to try and compare him to Jesus Christ. It is like trying to compare the finite to the infinite. There is no match comparisons. It is like saying Satan is the opposite of God when God has no opposite.
 
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He cant be a prophet unless he actually said something that came true.
Christians are that by choice. Muslims are that by force.
Christians have living miracles and experiences that lead them to their father. Not all of them and not so many here but alot of them. Muslims have only religion that brings them to be bound to it.
 
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Burninglight said:
I know there are mostly moderate Muslims who are hospitable and friendly. There is no doubt about that even the media know it.

Muslims are moderate, but Islam is not. ISIS interprets the Quran accurately. An Islamic state (Sharia) will not allow Christianity unless Christians pay an oppressive tax, convert to Islam or be killed. Islam is a great deception; in fact, Allah refers to himself as "The Best of Deceivers"
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It does say that and it also says his followers go to the underworld of fire in the afterlife and surprised to see who their deity actually is. And is forced into it like they forced others.
 
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Burninglight said:
Are you sure? It doesn't sound like a good reason to ban someone, but someone who is in need of the gospel and our love. I just don't see Jesus rejecting a person like that; we owe our love. He was at a place where we could be witnessed to him and perhaps win to Christ. If he was ban for that I would be very disappointed.
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If they are here to completely deny the Gospel and tell everyone that Muhammad was a true prophet of God, then yeah definitely : p While you could minister to them maybe, I think its much more beneficial to keep the focus of the site to those who are actually seeking the truth about Him and helping keep them from being mislead than it is to invite every follower of a false prophet in with hopes to maybe change their mind somehow.
 
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Infusion said:
He cant be a prophet unless he actually said something that came true.
Christians are that by choice. Muslims are that by force.
Christians have living miracles and experiences that lead them to their father. Not all of them and not so many here but alot of them. Muslims have only religion that brings them to be bound to it.
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Prophets don't have to say something that comes true to be a false prophet, and even if it comes true that doesn't mean they are not false prophets! It is our responsibility to test their spirits to see if they are from God.
 
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mj007 said:
He was good at boxing
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We are talking about Islam's prophet Muhammad not Muhammad Ali formerly known as C. Clay the boxer. I know you know this, lol
 
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Infusion said:
It does say that and it also says his followers go to the underworld of fire in the afterlife and surprised to see who their deity actually is. And is forced into it like they forced others.
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The Quran calls their Allah/god the "Best of Deceivers" The Bible calls him the father of lies.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
If they are here to completely deny the Gospel and tell everyone that Muhammad was a true prophet of God, then yeah definitely : p While you could minister to them maybe, I think its much more beneficial to keep the focus of the site to those who are actually seeking the truth about Him and helping keep them from being mislead than it is to invite every follower of a false prophet in with hopes to maybe change their mind somehow.
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Muslims do deny the gospel completely and believe Muhammad was a true prophet. They believe the gospel is corrupted. Unlike the Jews they accept the virgin birth of Jesus, and that Jesus was a prophet; they don't believe he was or is the son of God though. They believe in all the prophets of Judaism and Christianity, but they believe Muhammad was the final seal of prophets. They don't believe Jesus died on the cross, but they believe he is coming back to destroy all the crosses.

I am equipped to witness to them in any venue, I believe all Christians should be able to do this especially in this day and age. I am not an Islamophobe, but when I come against them on their forums they tolerate Christians much more Christians like yourself would tolerate them. They refer to me as a silver tongue devil and a missionary Islamophobe, but I am able to love them and show them the misconceptions they've been taught about Christianity.

Cunningham was right we are either missionaries or mission fields. If we cannot be missionaries in our own back yards or on a Christian forum, sending us half way around the world won't do it either. I respectfully disagree with your position and find it rather disappointing and limited in scope.
 
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Muslims wouldn't come on a Christian forum anyway, because they are for the most part insecure in their belief compared to most Christians. Their doctrine pales in the light of gospel truth and they fear that. One Christian on a Muslim forum puts a 1000 to flight, but one Muslim on a Christian forum would end up leaving or converting to Christianity.
 
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Burninglight said:
Muslims wouldn't come on a Christian forum anyway, because they are for the most part insecure in their belief compared to most Christians. Their doctrine pales in the light of gospel truth and they fear that. One Christian on a Muslim forum puts a 1000 to flight, but one Muslim on a Christian forum would end up leaving or converting to Christianity.
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Which is an Islamic forum that you are debating with them.
 
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Burninglight said:
Cunningham was right we are either missionaries or mission fields. If we cannot be missionaries in our own back yards or on a Christian forum, sending us half way around the world won't do it either. I respectfully disagree with your position and find it rather disappointing and limited in scope.
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There are plenty of places you can minister to Muslims, I do it often. There is nothing wrong with having a place for fellowship alone. I mean, we dont open the doors of our churches to all false prophets to come and debate with us, do we? There are plenty of places to deal with such things, at the same time it is also good to have a place where Christians can come together just for the sake of the Bible to share with and help each other.
 
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Theos said:
Which is an Islamic forum that you are debating with them.
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Again with this, belief in Christ doesnt make one a Muslim, especially if we are talking about Christ of the Gospel. Believing that Christ is the Son of God, equal with and a part of God, and is to be worshiped, is the unforgivable sin in Islam.

Christianity and Islam are far from being the same.
 
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Theos said:
Which is an Islamic forum that you are debating with them.
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I was on Ummah and WhyIslam, but WhyIslam was way more tolerant.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
There are plenty of places you can minister to Muslims, I do it often. There is nothing wrong with having a place for fellowship alone. I mean, we dont open the doors of our churches to all false prophets to come and debate with us, do we? There are plenty of places to deal with such things, at the same time it is also good to have a place where Christians can come together just for the sake of the Bible to share with and help each other.
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Of course there is nothing wrong with having a place for fellowship alone, but there is nothing wrong with having one place on the forum for interreligious or comparative religious discussion or debates or a witnessing section to reach unbelievers. Christianity is not just about fellowship.

If an unbeliever, a cult member or a believer in another faith is not civil or respectful, they could be cut off. We could have most sections for fellowship alone on the forum and just one for witnessing. Besides, you would be naïve, IMO, if you didn't think there aren't false teachings on this forum now (False prophets). That is more insidious than a Muslim or Mormon coming on asking questions or trying to proof they have truth.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I respect yours, but I just don't agree with you about that. Our church is open for everyone; some churches would turn Jesus or angels away unawares.

Where do you find plenty of places to witness to Muslims?
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
Again with this, belief in Christ doesnt make one a Muslim, especially if we are talking about Christ of the Gospel. Believing that Christ is the Son of God, equal with and a part of God, and is to be worshiped, is the unforgivable sin in Islam.

Christianity and Islam are far from being the same.
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Theos wasn't disagreeing with this. Worshipping Jesus is not unforgiveable to Muslims if you convert to Islam (They refer to it as revert); only after death it is unforgivable according to Islam. Muslims don't believe any prophets should be worshipped, but they worship Muhammad aware by making him their idol.
 
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