What is a Prophet?

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The subject of apostles and prophets has come up again. I've replied to this generally. I see nowhere in the the NT that declares that there are no more apostles or prophets. As I said, if those two gifts have ceased, why do we still have evangelists, pastors and teachers? They are included as gifts from Lord Jesus.

What is more difficult is to define what the ministry of the prophet entails. What are the characteristics of a prophet? This might be a little long winded and controversial. Please bear with me.

People seem to focus on the prophet as one who foretells the future. While this may be part of the prophet's ministry, it is not the primary role. For example, my mentor for 30 years was a prophet in the NT sense. He did foretell the future. He foresaw the rise of Islam and its spread over the world. He saw this in the 1970's, years before Islam became the force it is today. But that is only a minor part of the ministry he had.

The purpose of the prophet is to receive revelation directly from God. This is not to add to God's word and it will never contradict God's word. Rather it is to explain God's word in ways that make it easier to understand. We all can enjoy this kind of revelation. But the prophet is one whose life is devoted to it.

For example, my prophet friend and mentor had a revelation from God about unforgiveness. He was saved just after his marriage broke up. He was a wealthy businessman and his ex took everything. He was not quiet about it. And he hated his ex wife with a passion.

His new church friends told him that he had to forgive, but he did not know how. So he sought the Lord and Lord Jesus showed him how. Many people have been greatly helped by that revelation.

How do you recognise a prophet? It's not easy, but these are characteristics.

1. They are not popular. They tend to speak the truth without anything to soften it. No "spoonful of sugar" for that medicine.
2. They have few friends. That's a consequence of being truthful and blunt.
3. They spend hours and hours with God.
4. They discern lies and hypocrisy instantly. Never tell a prophet, "I'm fine" if you are not. You can fool a lot of people, but not the true prophet.
5. They are not infallible. And often they go through great trials. God needs to refine the prophet and trials are one of the main means.

The prophet typically has no public ministry. You will rarely find him or her in the pulpit. Instead, they pour themselves into a few, often only one, who in turn makes it known to others. That individual is the teacher.

Whatever our ministry, and all who are born again have a gift, we need to discover it and walk in it. God decides who does what. Very often our calling is not what we would choose for ourselves. I very much wanted to be an evangelist, Australia's Billy Graham. The last thing I wanted was to be a pastor. I'm not ordained, but God has used me to help people who are in real trouble spiritually.

As an aside, the pastor should be a teacher and the teacher have a pastor's heart also. Teaching without compassion can put people under condemnation. Compassion without truth leaves people without the tools to overcome.
 
The subject of apostles and prophets has come up again. I've replied to this generally. I see nowhere in the the NT that declares that there are no more apostles or prophets. As I said, if those two gifts have ceased, why do we still have evangelists, pastors and teachers? They are included as gifts from Lord Jesus.

What is more difficult is to define what the ministry of the prophet entails. What are the characteristics of a prophet? This might be a little long winded and controversial. Please bear with me.

People seem to focus on the prophet as one who foretells the future. While this may be part of the prophet's ministry, it is not the primary role. For example, my mentor for 30 years was a prophet in the NT sense. He did foretell the future. He foresaw the rise of Islam and its spread over the world. He saw this in the 1970's, years before Islam became the force it is today. But that is only a minor part of the ministry he had.

The purpose of the prophet is to receive revelation directly from God. This is not to add to God's word and it will never contradict God's word. Rather it is to explain God's word in ways that make it easier to understand. We all can enjoy this kind of revelation. But the prophet is one whose life is devoted to it.

For example, my prophet friend and mentor had a revelation from God about unforgiveness. He was saved just after his marriage broke up. He was a wealthy businessman and his ex took everything. He was not quiet about it. And he hated his ex wife with a passion.

His new church friends told him that he had to forgive, but he did not know how. So he sought the Lord and Lord Jesus showed him how. Many people have been greatly helped by that revelation.

How do you recognise a prophet? It's not easy, but these are characteristics.

1. They are not popular. They tend to speak the truth without anything to soften it. No "spoonful of sugar" for that medicine.
2. They have few friends. That's a consequence of being truthful and blunt.
3. They spend hours and hours with God.
4. They discern lies and hypocrisy instantly. Never tell a prophet, "I'm fine" if you are not. You can fool a lot of people, but not the true prophet.
5. They are not infallible. And often they go through great trials. God needs to refine the prophet and trials are one of the main means.

The prophet typically has no public ministry. You will rarely find him or her in the pulpit. Instead, they pour themselves into a few, often only one, who in turn makes it known to others. That individual is the teacher.

Whatever our ministry, and all who are born again have a gift, we need to discover it and walk in it. God decides who does what. Very often our calling is not what we would choose for ourselves. I very much wanted to be an evangelist, Australia's Billy Graham. The last thing I wanted was to be a pastor. I'm not ordained, but God has used me to help people who are in real trouble spiritually.

As an aside, the pastor should be a teacher and the teacher have a pastor's heart also. Teaching without compassion can put people under condemnation. Compassion without truth leaves people without the tools to overcome.
Prophets are those that the beings in the spiritual realms use as a conduit to serve them, that they're only being led by these spirits that they're one with the spirit that possesses them. Like God's prophets are possessed with His spirit, that they are under His control.

1 Kings 18:19
Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel’s table.”

Deuteronomy 6:13
Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.

John 8:28
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

Like in this video, Jeremiah has been taken over by the spirit of God that the people knew it wasn't him speaking from the heart


like this guy, his church goers couldn't understand what he was jabbering about. that it didn't make any sense to them at the time.

 
The law and the prophets were until John, the last prophet . . .

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.



Today, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy . . .

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
 
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The subject of apostles and prophets has come up again. I've replied to this generally. I see nowhere in the the NT that declares that there are no more apostles or prophets. As I said, if those two gifts have ceased, why do we still have evangelists, pastors and teachers? They are included as gifts from Lord Jesus.

What is more difficult is to define what the ministry of the prophet entails. What are the characteristics of a prophet? This might be a little long winded and controversial. Please bear with me.

People seem to focus on the prophet as one who foretells the future. While this may be part of the prophet's ministry, it is not the primary role. For example, my mentor for 30 years was a prophet in the NT sense. He did foretell the future. He foresaw the rise of Islam and its spread over the world. He saw this in the 1970's, years before Islam became the force it is today. But that is only a minor part of the ministry he had.

The purpose of the prophet is to receive revelation directly from God. This is not to add to God's word and it will never contradict God's word. Rather it is to explain God's word in ways that make it easier to understand. We all can enjoy this kind of revelation. But the prophet is one whose life is devoted to it.

For example, my prophet friend and mentor had a revelation from God about unforgiveness. He was saved just after his marriage broke up. He was a wealthy businessman and his ex took everything. He was not quiet about it. And he hated his ex wife with a passion.

His new church friends told him that he had to forgive, but he did not know how. So he sought the Lord and Lord Jesus showed him how. Many people have been greatly helped by that revelation.

How do you recognise a prophet? It's not easy, but these are characteristics.

1. They are not popular. They tend to speak the truth without anything to soften it. No "spoonful of sugar" for that medicine.
2. They have few friends. That's a consequence of being truthful and blunt.
3. They spend hours and hours with God.
4. They discern lies and hypocrisy instantly. Never tell a prophet, "I'm fine" if you are not. You can fool a lot of people, but not the true prophet.
5. They are not infallible. And often they go through great trials. God needs to refine the prophet and trials are one of the main means.

The prophet typically has no public ministry. You will rarely find him or her in the pulpit. Instead, they pour themselves into a few, often only one, who in turn makes it known to others. That individual is the teacher.

Whatever our ministry, and all who are born again have a gift, we need to discover it and walk in it. God decides who does what. Very often our calling is not what we would choose for ourselves. I very much wanted to be an evangelist, Australia's Billy Graham. The last thing I wanted was to be a pastor. I'm not ordained, but God has used me to help people who are in real trouble spiritually.

As an aside, the pastor should be a teacher and the teacher have a pastor's heart also. Teaching without compassion can put people under condemnation. Compassion without truth leaves people without the tools to overcome.

Thanks Gideon300, for your thoughts on prophets.

The Bible says: "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. "

This verse shows that apparently all in Christ are described in the Bible as having the spirit of prophecy. All in Christ testify of Jesus in some way. Each way depends upon how God uses that believer.

In Revelation, we read: "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. " This apparently is a picture of all true believers. God gives all true believers power, for we read: "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. "

No need to try to be some special kind of mega prophet. As we believe in Christ, he will empower us to be the witness that we are intended by him to be. That is the spirit of prophecy, which is simply the testimony of Jesus.
 
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The law and the prophets were until John, the last prophet . . .

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.



Today, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy . . .

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
at Pentecost, many became prophets.

Acts 21:9
He had four unmarried daughters who prophesied.

 
The real difference between a Prophet and the Evangelist comes down to whom God is dealing with.

In the ancient days, Prophets passed the words of God to the Nation and the enemy of the Nation.

The Evangelist, much like the Prophet in mostly dealing with the Nation but more like the Nation of the Christianity where the Body of Christ is dealt with plus the Lost are also being introduced to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

In Theory, we could easily bestow the responsibilities of the Prophet to the Evangelist because when Either One shows up it's typically a Warning being conveyed.

So even though we don't go around calling people Prophets, the same works done by the Ancient Prophet are being done today under the title of Evangelist.

So essentially speaking, the Prophet's work has continued and still active as I type this very post.
 
The law and the prophets were until John, the last prophet . . .

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.



Today, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy . . .

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

You consider John the last prophet so then you include John in the law and the prophets? Could not the passage have been referring to John as the first of a 'new thing'? Since his primary proclamation, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand," in essence announces Jesus' arrival, exactly what the law and the prophets foretold, it doesn't seem to fit to include him as 'of' the law and prophets, if he marked the end of them. I mean, he didn't exactly foretell of Jesus arrival, he only 'confirmed' to all the Prescence of the Son of God.

This is another question I find myself wanting to explore a bit more along with also having been wondering at the protocol of John's baptism; what constituted the 'ritual' he performed? Did he baptize 'in the Name of Jesus"?... :unsure:
 
The Bible says: "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. "

I've highlighted a portion of this beautiful Verse that You have provided because when this Entity from Heaven is talking to John he says....... I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:.......so many Preachers, Theologians, Scholars believe this is Daniel because Daniel wrote the first portion of what John will be writing in greater detail.

No one knows if this is Daniel but he does say he's a fellow servant and of thy brethren (Jews) plus this is what his writings were about in less detail.

If it is Daniel, how cool for John who also saw at Jesus' Transfiguration both Moses and Elijah.
 
I've highlighted a portion of this beautiful Verse that You have provided because when this Entity from Heaven is talking to John he says....... I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:.......so many Preachers, Theologians, Scholars believe this is Daniel because Daniel wrote the first portion of what John will be writing in greater detail.

No one knows if this is Daniel but he does say he's a fellow servant and of thy brethren (Jews) plus this is what his writings were about in less detail.

If it is Daniel, how cool for John who also saw at Jesus' Transfiguration both Moses and Elijah.

Thanks Lrs68, for your interest. One important idea we can get from the verse is that we worship God and not our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ have the testimony of Jesus and we are happy for that, yet it is God who is worshipped and not each other. We are each other's fellowservants of God.
 
Thanks Lrs68, for your interest. One important idea we can get from the verse is that we worship God and not our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ have the testimony of Jesus and we are happy for that, yet it is God who is worshipped and not each other. We are each other's fellowservants of God.
Amen!
 
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

God no longer speaks through prophets those days are no longer. He spoke through his son who intern spoke to us and recorded the words of God ( the new testament ) but today we have the recorded word and God is no longer adding to it
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

All scripture is given no new need for prophets. These days we use the recorded word to do Gods will.
 
The subject of apostles and prophets has come up again. I've replied to this generally. I see nowhere in the the NT that declares that there are no more apostles or prophets. As I said, if those two gifts have ceased, why do we still have evangelists, pastors and teachers? They are included as gifts from Lord Jesus.

What is more difficult is to define what the ministry of the prophet entails. What are the characteristics of a prophet? This might be a little long winded and controversial. Please bear with me.

People seem to focus on the prophet as one who foretells the future. While this may be part of the prophet's ministry, it is not the primary role. For example, my mentor for 30 years was a prophet in the NT sense. He did foretell the future. He foresaw the rise of Islam and its spread over the world. He saw this in the 1970's, years before Islam became the force it is today. But that is only a minor part of the ministry he had.

The purpose of the prophet is to receive revelation directly from God. This is not to add to God's word and it will never contradict God's word. Rather it is to explain God's word in ways that make it easier to understand. We all can enjoy this kind of revelation. But the prophet is one whose life is devoted to it.

For example, my prophet friend and mentor had a revelation from God about unforgiveness. He was saved just after his marriage broke up. He was a wealthy businessman and his ex took everything. He was not quiet about it. And he hated his ex wife with a passion.

His new church friends told him that he had to forgive, but he did not know how. So he sought the Lord and Lord Jesus showed him how. Many people have been greatly helped by that revelation.

How do you recognise a prophet? It's not easy, but these are characteristics.

1. They are not popular. They tend to speak the truth without anything to soften it. No "spoonful of sugar" for that medicine.
2. They have few friends. That's a consequence of being truthful and blunt.
3. They spend hours and hours with God.
4. They discern lies and hypocrisy instantly. Never tell a prophet, "I'm fine" if you are not. You can fool a lot of people, but not the true prophet.
5. They are not infallible. And often they go through great trials. God needs to refine the prophet and trials are one of the main means.

The prophet typically has no public ministry. You will rarely find him or her in the pulpit. Instead, they pour themselves into a few, often only one, who in turn makes it known to others. That individual is the teacher.

Whatever our ministry, and all who are born again have a gift, we need to discover it and walk in it. God decides who does what. Very often our calling is not what we would choose for ourselves. I very much wanted to be an evangelist, Australia's Billy Graham. The last thing I wanted was to be a pastor. I'm not ordained, but God has used me to help people who are in real trouble spiritually.

As an aside, the pastor should be a teacher and the teacher have a pastor's heart also. Teaching without compassion can put people under condemnation. Compassion without truth leaves people without the tools to overcome.

There is discerning to be, get learned and not think I got it, even though I think I got it
Matthew 10:16-20
God loves us all to see and choose God over this world we ar sin presently, for awe anyways, thanks Gideon 300
 
Thanks Gideon300, for your thoughts on prophets.

The Bible says: "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. "

This verse shows that apparently all in Christ are described in the Bible as having the spirit of prophecy. All in Christ testify of Jesus in some way. Each way depends upon how God uses that believer.

In Revelation, we read: "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. " This apparently is a picture of all true believers. God gives all true believers power, for we read: "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. "

No need to try to be some special kind of mega prophet. As we believe in Christ, he will empower us to be the witness that we are intended by him to be. That is the spirit of prophecy, which is simply the testimony of Jesus.
Then Ephesians 4:11-13, Romans 12:6-8 are meaningless. I suggest that you think again. And how about you read what I said before commenting.

I don't agree with your interpretation of Revelation and the two witnesses. The church has been witnessing for 2,000 years, not 1,260 days.
 
"Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, encouragement, and comfort."

And then in Ephesians...

"And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to equip the saints for works of ministry and to build up the body of Christ, 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ."

Often, prophets are treated as ruling office holders. This is an Old Testament view of the prophet. Today, prophets are tasked with building up the rest of the Body so that they all may enjoy the benefits of hearing the Lord.

If, for example, the prophet understands the timing of the Lord by hearing the Lord (because he was gifted in such a manner) THEN he should teach and encourage others how to discern the Lord's timing. Because all who are in the Body of Christ have the Spirit of God in them (unlike people in the Old Testament) the prophet will primarily confirm what a believer already suspected.

This continues "...until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ" as the scriptures say.
 
"Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, encouragement, and comfort."

And then in Ephesians...

"And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to equip the saints for works of ministry and to build up the body of Christ, 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ."

Often, prophets are treated as ruling office holders. This is an Old Testament view of the prophet. Today, prophets are tasked with building up the rest of the Body so that they all may enjoy the benefits of hearing the Lord.

If, for example, the prophet understands the timing of the Lord by hearing the Lord (because he was gifted in such a manner) THEN he should teach and encourage others how to discern the Lord's timing. Because all who are in the Body of Christ have the Spirit of God in them (unlike people in the Old Testament) the prophet will primarily confirm what a believer already suspected.

This continues "...until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ" as the scriptures say.
Amen Total respect for this post, couldn't agree more, nice to hear spirit led words
 
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The word says the gifts are needed until we reach the maturity of Christ corporately. That hasn’t happened yet. The Body is still divided and often blown about by crises and political winds.
Furthermore, the timing of the Lord is important. When to do something is as important as what to do. Because many of the Body have rejected the prophetic gift (and the apostolic) many believers are tossed to and fro by events of the world. Revelation from God is paramount to love. Jesus said “ I only do what I see my Father doing.” Without knowing where and how the Father is working saints are left to their own designs about what constitutes “good works”. There is no mystery why in the last days “the love of most will grow cold.” When the saints reject the direction of the Spirit that guides the love of God they will default to their own strength and their own plans. Prayers like “God, bless our program” or “Bless our efforts” become common. When we are led by the Spirit we will know He goes before us and protects our goings.
This is elementary.
 
The subject of apostles and prophets has come up again. I've replied to this generally. I see nowhere in the the NT that declares that there are no more apostles or prophets. As I said, if those two gifts have ceased, why do we still have evangelists, pastors and teachers? They are included as gifts from Lord Jesus.

Because the apostles and prophets formed the foundation of the Church and evangelists and pastor/teachers are needed for the growth of the Church. You don't continually lay a foundation from the floor to the roof, you lay it at the start and only once.

Eph.2:19-21
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
 
Because the apostles and prophets formed the foundation of the Church and evangelists and pastor/teachers are needed for the growth of the Church. You don't continually lay a foundation from the floor to the roof, you lay it at the start and only once.

Eph.2:19-21
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,

As this was being written apostles and prophets were working in the church. So you would have to assume when Paul penned this, no other letters were written, no revelation was given.

But we know that’s not accurate.

So wisdom tells you to think differently about the above verse. Or, at least do not use it as a “proof text” against the spiritual gifts.
 
As this was being written apostles and prophets were working in the church. So you would have to assume when Paul penned this, no other letters were written, no revelation was given.

But we know that’s not accurate.

So wisdom tells you to think differently about the above verse. Or, at least do not use it as a “proof text” against the spiritual gifts.

I see no reason to assume what you propose as Paul was the last Apostle to be chosen. If he thought more were to come he would not have referred to the apostles and prophets as a foundation.

They brought the foundational revelation to the Church upon which it is built. We need no more than what they revealed.

Do you think something is missing that we need further basic revelation?