The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation
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The instructions given by Peter on the Day of Pentecost are NT commands, and are applicable to all those living after Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and glorification. Jesus prophesied concerning this in Luke 24:47.
John's water baptism was introduced while the OT was in effect. Even so it was not part of the OT system. After Jesus ascended back into Heaven the NT was officially begun. It was in Jerusalem, as Jesus prophesied, that water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin officially began. Those who believe the entire gospel message, repent and submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. Those who do so are promised they will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Scripture reveals the indwelling of the Holy Spirit can take place prior to or after obedience to the water baptism command. But one thing is certain the NT rebirth is sure to become a reality for those believers who are born again of water and Spirit.
John's water baptism was introduced while the OT was in effect. Even so it was not part of the OT system. After Jesus ascended back into Heaven the NT was officially begun. It was in Jerusalem, as Jesus prophesied, that water baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin officially began. Those who believe the entire gospel message, repent and submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. Those who do so are promised they will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Scripture reveals the indwelling of the Holy Spirit can take place prior to or after obedience to the water baptism command. But one thing is certain the NT rebirth is sure to become a reality for those believers who are born again of water and Spirit.
It says born of water and of spirit.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 1 the NT rebirth begins.
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 2 this is what happen when they obeyed and waited following instructions.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
This is what Peter says happens when you are filled with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Peter was speaking to the Jews that was responsible for JESUS being put on the cross and after they heard Peter in Acts 2:37-41
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
They asked what shall we do, they GLADLY RECEIVED HIS WORD AND WAS BAPITZED AND THE SAME DAY THREE THOUSAND SOULS WERE ADDED.
What we know is JESUS disciples received the Holy Ghost first, no record of them being baptized in JESUS name along with the others. We also the others were bapitzed in JESUS name but don't know if the others were filled with the Holy Ghost.
So lets look at Acts 8, they were baptized but did not receive the Holy Ghost so Phillip sent for Peter and John to lay hands on them. How did they know they didn't get it? NO ONE SPOKE IN TONGUES.
Acts 10 they were filled and spoke in tongues and then was commanded to be baptized.
Acts 19, they just beleived, Paul asked them if they were filled with the Holy Ghost, they said NO, how were you baptized, by John.
Paul gave them insturections they OBEYED was baptized in JESUS name was spoke on tongues.
Go back to Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 8, 10 and 19 all were baptized in JESUS name and filled with the Holy GHost with evidence of speaking in tongues just like Acts 2:38-39 says one must do.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 1 the NT rebirth begins.
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 2 this is what happen when they obeyed and waited following instructions.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
This is what Peter says happens when you are filled with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Peter was speaking to the Jews that was responsible for JESUS being put on the cross and after they heard Peter in Acts 2:37-41
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
They asked what shall we do, they GLADLY RECEIVED HIS WORD AND WAS BAPITZED AND THE SAME DAY THREE THOUSAND SOULS WERE ADDED.
What we know is JESUS disciples received the Holy Ghost first, no record of them being baptized in JESUS name along with the others. We also the others were bapitzed in JESUS name but don't know if the others were filled with the Holy Ghost.
So lets look at Acts 8, they were baptized but did not receive the Holy Ghost so Phillip sent for Peter and John to lay hands on them. How did they know they didn't get it? NO ONE SPOKE IN TONGUES.
Acts 10 they were filled and spoke in tongues and then was commanded to be baptized.
Acts 19, they just beleived, Paul asked them if they were filled with the Holy Ghost, they said NO, how were you baptized, by John.
Paul gave them insturections they OBEYED was baptized in JESUS name was spoke on tongues.
Go back to Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 8, 10 and 19 all were baptized in JESUS name and filled with the Holy GHost with evidence of speaking in tongues just like Acts 2:38-39 says one must do.
Regarding Peter, what he said in Acts should be understood in light of what he taught in his epistles. Here are the first few teachings:
TOP #111: Christians are given new birth into a living hope because of Christ’s resurrection. [1Pet. 1:3&21 = 1Cor. 15:12-20] Being born again is TOJ #168.
TOP #145: Christians have an inheritance kept in heaven that will be revealed in the last time. [1Pet. 1:4-9 = Eph. 1:13-14, 5:15, Col. 1:12, 3:24] Heaven means life that is both eternal (Matt. 19:29, Heb. 9:15) and joyful (John 16:20-24, Phil. 4:4, Rev. 21:4).
TOP #179: Through faith Christians are shielded or kept safe during earthly grief and trials by God’s power until the end. [1Pet. 1:5-6 = Eph. 6:10-17] The Ephesians passage includes the shield of faith in a list of other spiritual armor.
TOP #83: Like gold that is purified by fire, faith is proved to be genuine as it endures trials. [1Pet. 1:6-7 = 1Cor. 3:12-15] Peter described his addressees as those who love Jesus even though they have not seen him, and Jesus said those who suffer persecution because of righteousness should rejoice, because they will be blessed with the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 5:10-12).
TOP #289: The prophets spoke of God’s future grace, because the Spirit of Christ in them revealed his sufferings and the glories that would follow. [1Pet. 1:10-12] They foretold the gospel that is being preached because of the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. This is the first teaching by Peter that does not merely echo Paul’s epistles. It indicates that the Holy Spirit indwelt believers before Pentecost, although this truth was not realized until taught by Jesus (John 14-16) and Paul (cf. TOP #27-29).
TOP #111: Christians are given new birth into a living hope because of Christ’s resurrection. [1Pet. 1:3&21 = 1Cor. 15:12-20] Being born again is TOJ #168.
TOP #145: Christians have an inheritance kept in heaven that will be revealed in the last time. [1Pet. 1:4-9 = Eph. 1:13-14, 5:15, Col. 1:12, 3:24] Heaven means life that is both eternal (Matt. 19:29, Heb. 9:15) and joyful (John 16:20-24, Phil. 4:4, Rev. 21:4).
TOP #179: Through faith Christians are shielded or kept safe during earthly grief and trials by God’s power until the end. [1Pet. 1:5-6 = Eph. 6:10-17] The Ephesians passage includes the shield of faith in a list of other spiritual armor.
TOP #83: Like gold that is purified by fire, faith is proved to be genuine as it endures trials. [1Pet. 1:6-7 = 1Cor. 3:12-15] Peter described his addressees as those who love Jesus even though they have not seen him, and Jesus said those who suffer persecution because of righteousness should rejoice, because they will be blessed with the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 5:10-12).
TOP #289: The prophets spoke of God’s future grace, because the Spirit of Christ in them revealed his sufferings and the glories that would follow. [1Pet. 1:10-12] They foretold the gospel that is being preached because of the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. This is the first teaching by Peter that does not merely echo Paul’s epistles. It indicates that the Holy Spirit indwelt believers before Pentecost, although this truth was not realized until taught by Jesus (John 14-16) and Paul (cf. TOP #27-29).
More of the teachings of Peter (& Paul) [Sorry the Scripture citations are not per CC]:
TOP #290: Christians should prepare their minds for action by being self-controlled as they await Christ’s second coming. [1PT 1:13-16 = RM 12:2 & TIT 2:2-13] These verses by Peter combine TOP #55 & 214 by associating preparing the mind with becoming self-controlled, and so it is assigned its own number as a meaningful nuance. Instead of conforming to evil desires sinners had when ignorant of the Gospel, they should be transformed into godly or holy persons. The combination/collaboration with Paul’s teachings is indicated also by the reference to awaiting Christ to appear or be revealed in both passages.
TOP #19: God judges impartially or without showing favoritism. [1PT 1:17 = RM 2:11] In TOP #221 God is described as just.
TOP #266: Jesus is the unblemished lamb whose death redeemed sinners. [1PT 1:18-19 = HB 4:15 & 5:9] This reference is an instance indicating that the OT foreshadowed the NT. Verse 20 is part of TOP #41, and verses 21&23 are part of #111. The reference to “these last times” indicates the age from Christ’s resurrection until the resurrection of Christians, “glory” (cf. v.11) signifies heavenly joy, and “born again” means being spiritually reborn.
TOP #135: Christians should love one another. [1PT 1:22 = GL 5:6&14] Enough said.
TOP #291: God’s Word/Gospel exists eternally. [1PT 1:23-25] This teaching is akin to the prologue of John’s gospel as well as to what Paul wrote in EPH 6:17, PHP 2:16 & HB 4:12 (cf. TOP #179, 188 & 264).
TOP #13: Christians should rid themselves of every kind of sin, including malice and deceit. [1PT 2:1 = RM 1:29] Jesus taught this truth in MK 7:20-23 (TOJ #76).
TOP #81: New Christians should crave pure spiritual milk. [1PT 2:2 = 1CR 3:2] In Paul’s teaching he said that Christians should not remain babies but rather grow beyond belief in how to be saved and crave spiritual meat or teachings regarding how to become mature morally, like Christ.
TOP #270: Those who have tasted the Lord’s goodness should become mature or strive for complete sanctification. [1PT 2:2-3 = HB 6:4-6] Saving faith (imputed righteousness) not only endures but also strives for moral perfection, although this goal will not be attained until heaven (cf. PHP 3:7-16).
TOP #153: Christians comprise a spiritual edifice built on Christ as the cornerstone and capstone. [1PT 2:4-8 = EPH 2:18-20] This house is called the church or body of Christ (EPH 3:10 & 4:15-16).
TOP #167: Those who reject Christ are bound for a fall and destined to damnation. [1PT 2:8 = PHP 3:18-19, EPH 5:5-6] What Peter implied, Paul specified.
TOP #292: Christians may be described as chosen people, a royal priesthood and a holy nation or people belonging to God. [1PT 2:5&9, cf. RV 5:10] What Peter specified, Paul implied by referring to Jesus as the high priest (HB 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15, 6:20, etc.). “Chosen” is part of TOP #41. Being holy or godly correlates with being indwelt by the Holy Spirit (cf. TOP #36, 38, 41, etc.).
TOP #151: Gentiles are included in God’s plan of salvation. [1PT 2:10 = EPH 2:11-3:6] This truth was described as a mystery in TOP #144.
TOP #293: Christians are spiritual aliens on earth. [1PT 2:11] Paul described Gentiles as alienated from Israel (EPH 2:19 & 3:6), but Peter redefines this term.
TOP #179: Sinful desires war against souls in a spiritual struggle. [1PT 2:11 = EPH 6:10-17] Such desires are described as the devil’s schemes by Paul.
TOP #207: Pagans should be able to see that Christians’ lives are a good witness or reason to believe in God. [1PT 2:12&15 = COL 4:5-6, 1THS 4:12, 1TM 3:7] We will see that good lives may include suffering for Christ.
TOP #66: Submit to governmental authorities, kings or governors who are sent by God to punish wrongdoers and commend those who do right. [1PT 2:13-14 & 17 = RM 13:1-5] This does not mean Christians should obey those who command sinful behavior (cf. ACTS 5:27-29).
TOP #136: Freedom in Christ does not mean having a license to sin. [1PT 2:16 = GL 5:13] “Respect” seems to be almost synonymous with submission in EPH 5:21 (TOP #173).
TOP #177: Slaves should submit to masters, considering their suffering to be commendable as following the example of Christ. [1PT 2:18-21 = EPH 6:5, COL 3:22, etc.] Paul said slavery should be viewed as obedience to God.
TOP #294: Christ suffered insults and crucifixion without retaliating or committing any sin so that by his wounds we might be healed. [1PT 2:21-24] While this is similar to TOP #265, its description adds a few details.
TOP #173: Wives should be submissive to husbands, and husbands should in the same way be considerate and respect wives. [1PT3:1&5b-8 = EPH 5:21-33, COL 3:18-19] While submission implies subservience to some, Jesus taught that in the kingdom of God a slave is greater (MT 20:25-28, TOJ #120).
TOP #232: Women should focus on unfading beauty rather than outward adornment. [1PT 3:3-5a = 1TM 2:9-10] An outwardly beautiful woman who lacks inner beauty is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout per PR 11:22.
TOP #64: Live in harmony. [1PT 3:8-9 = RM 12:16-17] This involves being humble rather than seeking revenge. Peter quotes PS 34:12-16 in this regard.
TOP #295: Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. [1PT 3:13-14, 3:16-17, 4:1&12-16] Paul spoke of suffering for the gospel (2TM 1:8) and sharing Christ’s suffering (RM 8:17-18), but this is a theme in 1PT (cf. #299) that does not seem to depend on something Paul wrote.
TOP #296: Always be prepated to answer those who ask for the reason for hope of heaven. [1PT 3:15] This means that Christians should be willing to share their testimonies or explain why they believe Jesus is Messiah and Lord.
TOP #290: Christians should prepare their minds for action by being self-controlled as they await Christ’s second coming. [1PT 1:13-16 = RM 12:2 & TIT 2:2-13] These verses by Peter combine TOP #55 & 214 by associating preparing the mind with becoming self-controlled, and so it is assigned its own number as a meaningful nuance. Instead of conforming to evil desires sinners had when ignorant of the Gospel, they should be transformed into godly or holy persons. The combination/collaboration with Paul’s teachings is indicated also by the reference to awaiting Christ to appear or be revealed in both passages.
TOP #19: God judges impartially or without showing favoritism. [1PT 1:17 = RM 2:11] In TOP #221 God is described as just.
TOP #266: Jesus is the unblemished lamb whose death redeemed sinners. [1PT 1:18-19 = HB 4:15 & 5:9] This reference is an instance indicating that the OT foreshadowed the NT. Verse 20 is part of TOP #41, and verses 21&23 are part of #111. The reference to “these last times” indicates the age from Christ’s resurrection until the resurrection of Christians, “glory” (cf. v.11) signifies heavenly joy, and “born again” means being spiritually reborn.
TOP #135: Christians should love one another. [1PT 1:22 = GL 5:6&14] Enough said.
TOP #291: God’s Word/Gospel exists eternally. [1PT 1:23-25] This teaching is akin to the prologue of John’s gospel as well as to what Paul wrote in EPH 6:17, PHP 2:16 & HB 4:12 (cf. TOP #179, 188 & 264).
TOP #13: Christians should rid themselves of every kind of sin, including malice and deceit. [1PT 2:1 = RM 1:29] Jesus taught this truth in MK 7:20-23 (TOJ #76).
TOP #81: New Christians should crave pure spiritual milk. [1PT 2:2 = 1CR 3:2] In Paul’s teaching he said that Christians should not remain babies but rather grow beyond belief in how to be saved and crave spiritual meat or teachings regarding how to become mature morally, like Christ.
TOP #270: Those who have tasted the Lord’s goodness should become mature or strive for complete sanctification. [1PT 2:2-3 = HB 6:4-6] Saving faith (imputed righteousness) not only endures but also strives for moral perfection, although this goal will not be attained until heaven (cf. PHP 3:7-16).
TOP #153: Christians comprise a spiritual edifice built on Christ as the cornerstone and capstone. [1PT 2:4-8 = EPH 2:18-20] This house is called the church or body of Christ (EPH 3:10 & 4:15-16).
TOP #167: Those who reject Christ are bound for a fall and destined to damnation. [1PT 2:8 = PHP 3:18-19, EPH 5:5-6] What Peter implied, Paul specified.
TOP #292: Christians may be described as chosen people, a royal priesthood and a holy nation or people belonging to God. [1PT 2:5&9, cf. RV 5:10] What Peter specified, Paul implied by referring to Jesus as the high priest (HB 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15, 6:20, etc.). “Chosen” is part of TOP #41. Being holy or godly correlates with being indwelt by the Holy Spirit (cf. TOP #36, 38, 41, etc.).
TOP #151: Gentiles are included in God’s plan of salvation. [1PT 2:10 = EPH 2:11-3:6] This truth was described as a mystery in TOP #144.
TOP #293: Christians are spiritual aliens on earth. [1PT 2:11] Paul described Gentiles as alienated from Israel (EPH 2:19 & 3:6), but Peter redefines this term.
TOP #179: Sinful desires war against souls in a spiritual struggle. [1PT 2:11 = EPH 6:10-17] Such desires are described as the devil’s schemes by Paul.
TOP #207: Pagans should be able to see that Christians’ lives are a good witness or reason to believe in God. [1PT 2:12&15 = COL 4:5-6, 1THS 4:12, 1TM 3:7] We will see that good lives may include suffering for Christ.
TOP #66: Submit to governmental authorities, kings or governors who are sent by God to punish wrongdoers and commend those who do right. [1PT 2:13-14 & 17 = RM 13:1-5] This does not mean Christians should obey those who command sinful behavior (cf. ACTS 5:27-29).
TOP #136: Freedom in Christ does not mean having a license to sin. [1PT 2:16 = GL 5:13] “Respect” seems to be almost synonymous with submission in EPH 5:21 (TOP #173).
TOP #177: Slaves should submit to masters, considering their suffering to be commendable as following the example of Christ. [1PT 2:18-21 = EPH 6:5, COL 3:22, etc.] Paul said slavery should be viewed as obedience to God.
TOP #294: Christ suffered insults and crucifixion without retaliating or committing any sin so that by his wounds we might be healed. [1PT 2:21-24] While this is similar to TOP #265, its description adds a few details.
TOP #173: Wives should be submissive to husbands, and husbands should in the same way be considerate and respect wives. [1PT3:1&5b-8 = EPH 5:21-33, COL 3:18-19] While submission implies subservience to some, Jesus taught that in the kingdom of God a slave is greater (MT 20:25-28, TOJ #120).
TOP #232: Women should focus on unfading beauty rather than outward adornment. [1PT 3:3-5a = 1TM 2:9-10] An outwardly beautiful woman who lacks inner beauty is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout per PR 11:22.
TOP #64: Live in harmony. [1PT 3:8-9 = RM 12:16-17] This involves being humble rather than seeking revenge. Peter quotes PS 34:12-16 in this regard.
TOP #295: Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. [1PT 3:13-14, 3:16-17, 4:1&12-16] Paul spoke of suffering for the gospel (2TM 1:8) and sharing Christ’s suffering (RM 8:17-18), but this is a theme in 1PT (cf. #299) that does not seem to depend on something Paul wrote.
TOP #296: Always be prepated to answer those who ask for the reason for hope of heaven. [1PT 3:15] This means that Christians should be willing to share their testimonies or explain why they believe Jesus is Messiah and Lord.
And more teachings of Peter (& Paul):
TOP #276: Christ died for sins once for all and then made alive by the Spirit. [1PT 3:18 = HB 9:26-28, 10:10-15] At this point Peter alludes to Christ preaching to “the spirits in prison” (cf. 4:6), which is a problematic reference possibly related to Paul’s mention of being “baptized for the dead” in 1CR 15:29, so it is not enumerated as a definite teaching. However, it may be Peter’s equivalent to Paul’s teaching about a proto-gospel (TOP #10). Peter also said that the flood in the days of Noah symbolizes baptism that saves because of the resurrection of Jesus (3:20-21).
TOP #147: Christ is ruling in heaven at God’s right hand. [1PT 3:22 = EPH 1:18-23, HB 1:3] TOP #259 says that the universe was created through Christ, and in TOP #196 & 197, Paul called Christ the firstborn of creation and head of the church.
TOP #297: Cooperate with the will of God rather than for evil human desires. [1PT 4:2-3] Paul had similar teachings (#136, 165 & 206), but it is worth considering Peter’s list separately: debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and idolatry.
TOP #298: Christians will be thought strange and suffer abuse by atheists. [1PT 4:4&12-16] This is a variant of TOP #295. Paul did not seem to include this teaching in his epistles, but he did refer to sharing in Christ’s suffering (TOP #39 & 189), and Jesus said to rejoice when persecuted as a prophet, because those who are persecuted for righteousness are blessed by heaven (TOJ #18).
TOP #299: The end is near. [1PT 4:7a = 1CR 7:29] Paul’s equivalent statement is that “the time is short” and that “this world is passing away” (1CR 7:31), but his teaching was not enumerated.
TOP #300: Be self-controlled, which means using God’s gifts for His glory. [1PT 4:7b-11] Self-control probably means the same in Paul’s epistles, because he viewed it as a fruit of the Spirit (TOP #138), but Peter elaborates by associating it with prayer, love, God’s grace and witnessing for God. Gifts that are specified include hospitality (TOP #62), speaking/prophecying (TOP #108), and serving (TOP #56).
TOP #301: The Gospel of Christ is not only good news to be believed but also moral commands to be obeyed. [1PT 4:17-19] This teaching speaks both of God’s requirement for salvation, which is faith in Christ as Messiah/Savior and all that implies, and of God’s requirement that saving faith persevere unto sanctification. This is akin to TOP #149, 150 & 213, that we are saved by grace through faith to do good works, which are subsumed under the heading of divine love (TOP #135 & TOJ #130).
This does not imply “salvation via works”, because there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking or being sanctified (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, 2THS 2:13), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime (cf. RM 1:17).
TOP #233: Church leaders/overseers or elders should serve as shepherds (pastors). [1PT 5:1-4 = 1TM3:1-13, TIT 1:5-9] Elders are those who are older in the faith, and as overseers they should exemplify willingness to serve rather than be dictatorial or desire to make money. Jesus taught about spiritual authority with reference to his mission as the Son of Man (TOJ #120). Paul equated pastors with teachers for the purpose of leading the body of Christ toward unity and spiritual maturity (TOP #157).
TOP #257: Young men should have humility or be submissive toward their elders. [1PT 5:5-6 = TIT 2:6-8] Humility connotes teachability.
TOP #193: Cast all anxiety on Christ, because he cares about his sheep. [1PT 5:7 = PHP 4:6-7] Jesus taught about worry in MT 6:25-34/TOJ #41, saying that folks should seek God’s kingdom and righteousness and live day by day. Paul said that when anxious one should pray, whereby receiving the peace of God.
TOP #214: Be self-controlled and alert. [1PT 5:8 = 1THS 5:6-8, TIT 2:2-12] Self-control is correlated with alertness that comes from sobriety or not being inebriated.
TOP #302: Stand firm and resist the devil, who prowls like a lion looking for prey. [1PT 5:8-10] Paul referred to the devil’s trap in 1TM 3:7 & 2TM 3:26 (TOP #233 & 253). Both Jesus (in TOJ #60) and Paul (in TOP #116 &134) taught the need to stand firm or persevere in having saving faith, and James said to resist the devil by submitting to God (JM 4:7).
Peter concluded his first epistle by acknowledging the help of Silas and the presence of Mark, which explains why so much of the letter draws from the writings of Paul, and the second letter concludes by referring to Paul’s letters. Thus, the enumeration continues.
Peter’s greeting in his second epistle calls Jesus “our God and Savior” and refers to the addressees having “received a faith as precious as ours… through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord”.
TOP #303: God has given believers everything necessary for them to be godly or participate in the divine nature. [2PT 1:3-5] This grace simultaneously enables Christians to escape corruption and evil desires.
TOP #138: To saving faith Christians should add spiritual fruit. [2PT 1:5-9 = GL 5:22-23] Peter lists goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, kindness and love, whereas Paul mentions love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. The main difference seems to be Peter’s inclusion of knowledge and perseverance and Paul’s inclusion of joy and peace.
TOP #304: Christians can be sure of their calling, election and salvation if they manifest such traits. [2PT 1:10-11] Note that all are called, but few are chosen/elected (MT 22:14, TOJ #44). Jesus said that love is the sign of saving faith (JN 13:35. TOJ #149), and Paul taught that loving works will follow saving faith (TOP #150). James said that those who lack loving deeds fail the test of faith (JM 2:14-26).
TOP #305: Christians should always be reminded of the truth/Gospel. [2PT 1:12-18] Peter and other apostles were eyewitnesses to the revelation of Jesus as God’s Son.
TOP #276: Christ died for sins once for all and then made alive by the Spirit. [1PT 3:18 = HB 9:26-28, 10:10-15] At this point Peter alludes to Christ preaching to “the spirits in prison” (cf. 4:6), which is a problematic reference possibly related to Paul’s mention of being “baptized for the dead” in 1CR 15:29, so it is not enumerated as a definite teaching. However, it may be Peter’s equivalent to Paul’s teaching about a proto-gospel (TOP #10). Peter also said that the flood in the days of Noah symbolizes baptism that saves because of the resurrection of Jesus (3:20-21).
TOP #147: Christ is ruling in heaven at God’s right hand. [1PT 3:22 = EPH 1:18-23, HB 1:3] TOP #259 says that the universe was created through Christ, and in TOP #196 & 197, Paul called Christ the firstborn of creation and head of the church.
TOP #297: Cooperate with the will of God rather than for evil human desires. [1PT 4:2-3] Paul had similar teachings (#136, 165 & 206), but it is worth considering Peter’s list separately: debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and idolatry.
TOP #298: Christians will be thought strange and suffer abuse by atheists. [1PT 4:4&12-16] This is a variant of TOP #295. Paul did not seem to include this teaching in his epistles, but he did refer to sharing in Christ’s suffering (TOP #39 & 189), and Jesus said to rejoice when persecuted as a prophet, because those who are persecuted for righteousness are blessed by heaven (TOJ #18).
TOP #299: The end is near. [1PT 4:7a = 1CR 7:29] Paul’s equivalent statement is that “the time is short” and that “this world is passing away” (1CR 7:31), but his teaching was not enumerated.
TOP #300: Be self-controlled, which means using God’s gifts for His glory. [1PT 4:7b-11] Self-control probably means the same in Paul’s epistles, because he viewed it as a fruit of the Spirit (TOP #138), but Peter elaborates by associating it with prayer, love, God’s grace and witnessing for God. Gifts that are specified include hospitality (TOP #62), speaking/prophecying (TOP #108), and serving (TOP #56).
TOP #301: The Gospel of Christ is not only good news to be believed but also moral commands to be obeyed. [1PT 4:17-19] This teaching speaks both of God’s requirement for salvation, which is faith in Christ as Messiah/Savior and all that implies, and of God’s requirement that saving faith persevere unto sanctification. This is akin to TOP #149, 150 & 213, that we are saved by grace through faith to do good works, which are subsumed under the heading of divine love (TOP #135 & TOJ #130).
This does not imply “salvation via works”, because there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking or being sanctified (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, 2THS 2:13), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime (cf. RM 1:17).
TOP #233: Church leaders/overseers or elders should serve as shepherds (pastors). [1PT 5:1-4 = 1TM3:1-13, TIT 1:5-9] Elders are those who are older in the faith, and as overseers they should exemplify willingness to serve rather than be dictatorial or desire to make money. Jesus taught about spiritual authority with reference to his mission as the Son of Man (TOJ #120). Paul equated pastors with teachers for the purpose of leading the body of Christ toward unity and spiritual maturity (TOP #157).
TOP #257: Young men should have humility or be submissive toward their elders. [1PT 5:5-6 = TIT 2:6-8] Humility connotes teachability.
TOP #193: Cast all anxiety on Christ, because he cares about his sheep. [1PT 5:7 = PHP 4:6-7] Jesus taught about worry in MT 6:25-34/TOJ #41, saying that folks should seek God’s kingdom and righteousness and live day by day. Paul said that when anxious one should pray, whereby receiving the peace of God.
TOP #214: Be self-controlled and alert. [1PT 5:8 = 1THS 5:6-8, TIT 2:2-12] Self-control is correlated with alertness that comes from sobriety or not being inebriated.
TOP #302: Stand firm and resist the devil, who prowls like a lion looking for prey. [1PT 5:8-10] Paul referred to the devil’s trap in 1TM 3:7 & 2TM 3:26 (TOP #233 & 253). Both Jesus (in TOJ #60) and Paul (in TOP #116 &134) taught the need to stand firm or persevere in having saving faith, and James said to resist the devil by submitting to God (JM 4:7).
Peter concluded his first epistle by acknowledging the help of Silas and the presence of Mark, which explains why so much of the letter draws from the writings of Paul, and the second letter concludes by referring to Paul’s letters. Thus, the enumeration continues.
Peter’s greeting in his second epistle calls Jesus “our God and Savior” and refers to the addressees having “received a faith as precious as ours… through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord”.
TOP #303: God has given believers everything necessary for them to be godly or participate in the divine nature. [2PT 1:3-5] This grace simultaneously enables Christians to escape corruption and evil desires.
TOP #138: To saving faith Christians should add spiritual fruit. [2PT 1:5-9 = GL 5:22-23] Peter lists goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, kindness and love, whereas Paul mentions love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. The main difference seems to be Peter’s inclusion of knowledge and perseverance and Paul’s inclusion of joy and peace.
TOP #304: Christians can be sure of their calling, election and salvation if they manifest such traits. [2PT 1:10-11] Note that all are called, but few are chosen/elected (MT 22:14, TOJ #44). Jesus said that love is the sign of saving faith (JN 13:35. TOJ #149), and Paul taught that loving works will follow saving faith (TOP #150). James said that those who lack loving deeds fail the test of faith (JM 2:14-26).
TOP #305: Christians should always be reminded of the truth/Gospel. [2PT 1:12-18] Peter and other apostles were eyewitnesses to the revelation of Jesus as God’s Son.
And the conclusion of the teachings of Peter (and Paul):
TOP #306: The prophets who spoke of a future Messiah were inspired by the Holy Spirit. [2PT 1:19-21] Jesus explained to his disciples about the messianic teachings in the prophets (LK 24:44-48, MT 5:17, TOJ #20)
TOP #307: False teachers of heresy who deny Christ will be condemned and destroyed for exploiting the Gospel because of ungodly greed. [2PT 2:1-3, cf. 1PT 5:2] Denying Christ was something Peter knew about from personal experience, but it was motivated by fear and he repented (MT 26:69-75). Paul also wrote about those who preach Christ from false motives (PHP 1:18), and he said that God will expose and judge men’s motives (1CR 4:4-5).
TOP #308: God judges both angels and humans both while on earth and on the day of judgment. [2PT 2:4-9] The great flood and the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah serve as examples that warn against succumbing to evil desires.
TOP #309: Arrogant souls who blaspheme the Lord have committed apostasy and are accursed. [2PT 2:10-22] Peter called them brutes, adulterous, disciples of Balaam, dry springs, lustful, slaves of depravity, and dogs returning to their vomit. Verses 20-21 are in the same vein as HB 6:4-6 (TOP #264).
TOP #310: Atheists will scoff at Christian faith until Christ returns in judgment and destroys ungodly souls. [2PT 3:1-7] This passage extends the previous teaching by referring to a reason for doubt. Paul described scoffers as depraved and said they are without excuse (RM 1:21-32, TOP #10-16) and storing up divine wrath for the day of judgment (RM 2:1-6, TOP #17-19). Paul described judgment or hell as reaping what was done or self-condemning karma (RM 2:1-6, TOP 18&19). After justice is achieved, souls are destroyed (per RM 9:22, GL 6:8a, PHP 3:19a and 2THS 1:9a, TOP #46, 141, 209 & 222).
TOP #311: One day for us is like 1,000 years for God, so judgment day will occur when He desires. [2PT 3:8-9] This teaching is unique and may be applicable to understanding the days of creation.
TOP #231: God desires that no one perish. [2PT 3:9&15 = 1TM 2:3-4] Thus, God is patient, wanting as many souls as possible to repent and be saved while there is still time.
TOP #213: The end will come suddenly and unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. [2PT 3:10 = 1THS 5:2] This is TOJ #144.
TOP #312: Elements will melt and the heavens will disappear when Judgment occurs. [2PT 3:10-12] This language is found in AM 9:5, IS 51:6 & JL 2:30-31.
TOP #313: Live godly lives as you look forward to a new home and heaven on earth. [2PT 3:1-14] This is how people can be ready for the second coming of the Son of Man (MT 24:42-44, TOJ #146).
TOP #314: Although some of Paul’s doctrine may be difficult to understand, his wisdom is inspired by God. [2PT 3:15-16] Paul claimed to preach the wisdom of God and have the mind of Christ (in 1CR 1:23-25 & 2:6-16, TOP #78 & 80).
TOP #315: Ignorant and unstable people distort or misinterpret Scripture to their own destruction. [2PT 3:16]
TOP #134&264: Guard against being tempted by ungoldy people to commit apostasy. [2PT 3:17 = HB 6:4-6] Apparently this was becoming too common as time passed.
TOP #81&191: Grow in grace and knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. [2PT 3:18 = 1CR 3:1-3 & COL 1:10] Knowledge increases as a believer learns the didache, and grace grows as what is learned is applied or manifested as spiritual fruit (GL 5:22-23).
TOP #73&44: May Jesus be praised/glorified now and forever, Amen! [2PT 3:18 = RM 9:5] Amen!
TOP #306: The prophets who spoke of a future Messiah were inspired by the Holy Spirit. [2PT 1:19-21] Jesus explained to his disciples about the messianic teachings in the prophets (LK 24:44-48, MT 5:17, TOJ #20)
TOP #307: False teachers of heresy who deny Christ will be condemned and destroyed for exploiting the Gospel because of ungodly greed. [2PT 2:1-3, cf. 1PT 5:2] Denying Christ was something Peter knew about from personal experience, but it was motivated by fear and he repented (MT 26:69-75). Paul also wrote about those who preach Christ from false motives (PHP 1:18), and he said that God will expose and judge men’s motives (1CR 4:4-5).
TOP #308: God judges both angels and humans both while on earth and on the day of judgment. [2PT 2:4-9] The great flood and the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah serve as examples that warn against succumbing to evil desires.
TOP #309: Arrogant souls who blaspheme the Lord have committed apostasy and are accursed. [2PT 2:10-22] Peter called them brutes, adulterous, disciples of Balaam, dry springs, lustful, slaves of depravity, and dogs returning to their vomit. Verses 20-21 are in the same vein as HB 6:4-6 (TOP #264).
TOP #310: Atheists will scoff at Christian faith until Christ returns in judgment and destroys ungodly souls. [2PT 3:1-7] This passage extends the previous teaching by referring to a reason for doubt. Paul described scoffers as depraved and said they are without excuse (RM 1:21-32, TOP #10-16) and storing up divine wrath for the day of judgment (RM 2:1-6, TOP #17-19). Paul described judgment or hell as reaping what was done or self-condemning karma (RM 2:1-6, TOP 18&19). After justice is achieved, souls are destroyed (per RM 9:22, GL 6:8a, PHP 3:19a and 2THS 1:9a, TOP #46, 141, 209 & 222).
TOP #311: One day for us is like 1,000 years for God, so judgment day will occur when He desires. [2PT 3:8-9] This teaching is unique and may be applicable to understanding the days of creation.
TOP #231: God desires that no one perish. [2PT 3:9&15 = 1TM 2:3-4] Thus, God is patient, wanting as many souls as possible to repent and be saved while there is still time.
TOP #213: The end will come suddenly and unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. [2PT 3:10 = 1THS 5:2] This is TOJ #144.
TOP #312: Elements will melt and the heavens will disappear when Judgment occurs. [2PT 3:10-12] This language is found in AM 9:5, IS 51:6 & JL 2:30-31.
TOP #313: Live godly lives as you look forward to a new home and heaven on earth. [2PT 3:1-14] This is how people can be ready for the second coming of the Son of Man (MT 24:42-44, TOJ #146).
TOP #314: Although some of Paul’s doctrine may be difficult to understand, his wisdom is inspired by God. [2PT 3:15-16] Paul claimed to preach the wisdom of God and have the mind of Christ (in 1CR 1:23-25 & 2:6-16, TOP #78 & 80).
TOP #315: Ignorant and unstable people distort or misinterpret Scripture to their own destruction. [2PT 3:16]
TOP #134&264: Guard against being tempted by ungoldy people to commit apostasy. [2PT 3:17 = HB 6:4-6] Apparently this was becoming too common as time passed.
TOP #81&191: Grow in grace and knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. [2PT 3:18 = 1CR 3:1-3 & COL 1:10] Knowledge increases as a believer learns the didache, and grace grows as what is learned is applied or manifested as spiritual fruit (GL 5:22-23).
TOP #73&44: May Jesus be praised/glorified now and forever, Amen! [2PT 3:18 = RM 9:5] Amen!
Because, in addition, you would add works as a necessary component for salvation, instead of it being given solely by God's grace
through Jesus Christ alone. Whenever work is added- with work being any requirement whatsoever encumbered upon the recipient - it is no longer by grace, and if not by grace, then not God's salvation. Both ways simply cannot be correct even in combination with each other. But salvation, in its fullness, is a gift from God, with nothing remaining outside of it to yet be accomplished, period.
None of the items you've identified below, if actually trusted individually or collectively to obtain salvation, will bring only God's wrath. All necessary for salvation, Christ already achieved and gives salvation freely to whosoever He chose to bequeath it to.
For example, your post #715.
"Scriptures on God’s Requirement for Salvation
[stated in terms of faith (F) and works (W)]
From Matthew
33. Accept the kingdom (10:15, F)
34. Believe the Gospel (16:16, F)
35. Receive baptism (16:16, W)
From Luke
And #684
"God saves sinners who repent (1Tim. 2:3-4, Matt. 4:17). Repentance means accepting Jesus as Messiah and Lord (Acts 16:30-31, Col. 2:6). God enables all sinners to repent, seek salvation and find the LJC (1Tim. 2:3-5, Heb. 11:6). God's enabling is resistible so souls may choose instead to serve Satan (Matt. 13:14-15, John 8:42-44). God's enabling of volition (Deut. 30:19) may be called seeking grace (Eph. 2:8). Souls who choose to reject God/Christ are justly condemned (Rom. 1:20, 2:5-11). Accepting God's grace by faith is not a meritorious work (Rom. 3:21-28, Eph. 2:8-9). Even loving works motivated by God's HS manifest faith rather than merit (Eph. 2:10), because there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (John 6:29, 2Cor. 5:7, Rom. 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes. The only contradiction comes from those who are spiritually blind (Matt. 13:15, 2Cor. 4:4, John 9:41)."
And #727
"1. God chooses to elect all who cooperate with His will as revealed, which may be via creation (RM 1:20), conscience (RM 2:9-16),
the OT/Law (Col. 2:17, Heb. 10:1) and the NT (the NT)."
through Jesus Christ alone. Whenever work is added- with work being any requirement whatsoever encumbered upon the recipient - it is no longer by grace, and if not by grace, then not God's salvation. Both ways simply cannot be correct even in combination with each other. But salvation, in its fullness, is a gift from God, with nothing remaining outside of it to yet be accomplished, period.
None of the items you've identified below, if actually trusted individually or collectively to obtain salvation, will bring only God's wrath. All necessary for salvation, Christ already achieved and gives salvation freely to whosoever He chose to bequeath it to.
For example, your post #715.
"Scriptures on God’s Requirement for Salvation
[stated in terms of faith (F) and works (W)]
From Matthew
- Repent (4:17, F),
- Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F)
- Be righteous (5:20, W)
- Love your enemies (5:44, W)
- Serve God (6:24&33, W)
- Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F)
- Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W)
- Hear and act (7:24, F&W)
- Confess Jesus (10:32, W)
- Love Jesus (10:37, F)
- Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
- Have no doubt (11:6, F)
- Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
- Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
- Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
- Understand (13:23, F)
- Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
- Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
- Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
- Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
- Forgive others (18:35, W)
- Give to the poor (19:21, W)
- Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
- Yield fruit (21:43, W)
- Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
- Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, W)
- Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
- Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
- Be ready (24:44, F&W)
- Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
- Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
- Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)
33. Accept the kingdom (10:15, F)
34. Believe the Gospel (16:16, F)
35. Receive baptism (16:16, W)
From Luke
- Be hated (6:22-23, W)
- Lend (6:35, W)
- Judge not (6:37, W)
- Invite the poor to your party (14:13-14, W)
- Use wealth wisely (16:9, W)
- Stand firm (21:19, F)
- Be born again (3:3&6, F)
- Come to the light (3:21, F)
- Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, W)
- Drink living water (4:14, F)
- Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
- Do right (5:29, W)
- Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
- Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
- Eat the flesh and drink the blood of X (6:54, F)
- Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
- Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
- Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
- Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
- Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
- Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
- Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
- Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F)
- Call on the name of the Lord (2:21, F)
- Repent and be baptized (2:38, cf.3:19, F&W)
- Believe in Jesus (10:43, cf. 13:39&48, F)
- Believe in the Lord Jesus (16:31, cf. 18:8, F)
- Repent and turn to God (26:20, F)
- Have faith (1:17, F)
- Persist in doing good (2:7&10, cf.3:12, W)
- Obey the law (2:13, cf. 3:20, W)
- Have faith in Jesus Christ (3:22, 26&28&5:1, F)
- Confess Jesus as resurrected Lord (10:9, F&W)
- Call on the name of the Lord (10:13, F)
- Believe (1:21, F)
- Hold firmly to the gospel (15:2, F)
- Repent (7:10, F)"
And #684
"God saves sinners who repent (1Tim. 2:3-4, Matt. 4:17). Repentance means accepting Jesus as Messiah and Lord (Acts 16:30-31, Col. 2:6). God enables all sinners to repent, seek salvation and find the LJC (1Tim. 2:3-5, Heb. 11:6). God's enabling is resistible so souls may choose instead to serve Satan (Matt. 13:14-15, John 8:42-44). God's enabling of volition (Deut. 30:19) may be called seeking grace (Eph. 2:8). Souls who choose to reject God/Christ are justly condemned (Rom. 1:20, 2:5-11). Accepting God's grace by faith is not a meritorious work (Rom. 3:21-28, Eph. 2:8-9). Even loving works motivated by God's HS manifest faith rather than merit (Eph. 2:10), because there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (John 6:29, 2Cor. 5:7, Rom. 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes. The only contradiction comes from those who are spiritually blind (Matt. 13:15, 2Cor. 4:4, John 9:41)."
And #727
"1. God chooses to elect all who cooperate with His will as revealed, which may be via creation (RM 1:20), conscience (RM 2:9-16),
the OT/Law (Col. 2:17, Heb. 10:1) and the NT (the NT)."
The fact that a 1000 other pastors from different churches and denominations also, from the Word, show baptism is not necessary for salvation.. makes no difference?
Look.. John 3:16 and 5:24 show what salvation is. Along with the other verses I've shown. I've already shown how water baptism isn't connected to salvation in Acts 2:38-39 and John 3. Acts 22:16 is the same case of being put in comparison with John 3, 5, 8 etc..
So I'll agree to disagree with you and continue to lean on the Word.
Peace
Look.. John 3:16 and 5:24 show what salvation is. Along with the other verses I've shown. I've already shown how water baptism isn't connected to salvation in Acts 2:38-39 and John 3. Acts 22:16 is the same case of being put in comparison with John 3, 5, 8 etc..
So I'll agree to disagree with you and continue to lean on the Word.
Peace
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Makes me happy that you will continue to learn, we have to be humble.
Please read and consider.
We do have free will to do what ever we wish.
Satan's plan, keep them out of the water and if they do get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.
EVERYONE believes in JESUS but since the only way to get rid of our sins in being baptized in JESUS name it's the most debatable subject there is.
THOUSANDS of men from different denominations are not preaching HIS word and it's THOSE WHO listen to them it there job to check them to make sure they are.
For instance I'm in church and the preacher says just say this prayer and your saved nothing else is needed. HOW MANY CHURCH'S DO THAT?? Most.
Now let me find that in scripture, CAN'T FIND IT??? So do I stay at that church tithe there which spreads lies and everyone in that church goes to Hell? Not only will that pastor have those fokes blood on his hands but I will have the same blood on my hands.
How about this, I SHARE HIS WORD your NOT disagreeing with ME it's JESUS who you are disagreeing with.
Other men who tell you LIES you agree with then!!!
I'm just in the seed bossiness, just remember when you stand in front of JESUS it will be you and HIM and HE will be judging you with HIS RULE BOOK.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Notice is says SHOULD NOT PERISH? If you believe in his you will obey.
If you believed JESUS in John 3:16 WHY DON'T YOU believe what he says in the same conversation in John 3:5?
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Do YOU hear HIS words?
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
THE WHOLE BIBLE IS HIS WORDS, app 45 different men for many year wrote HIS word and he told them what to wright.
So DO YOU HEAR HIS WORDS?
Or just the words you like to hear?
Do you follow MEN or JESUS? Don't follow me either I didn't die for you.
To be saved, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and pray for JESUS to fill you with the Holy Ghost like HE gave HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4. John 3:5 Acts 2:38.
ALL IN LOVE.
Please read and consider.
We do have free will to do what ever we wish.
Satan's plan, keep them out of the water and if they do get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.
EVERYONE believes in JESUS but since the only way to get rid of our sins in being baptized in JESUS name it's the most debatable subject there is.
THOUSANDS of men from different denominations are not preaching HIS word and it's THOSE WHO listen to them it there job to check them to make sure they are.
For instance I'm in church and the preacher says just say this prayer and your saved nothing else is needed. HOW MANY CHURCH'S DO THAT?? Most.
Now let me find that in scripture, CAN'T FIND IT??? So do I stay at that church tithe there which spreads lies and everyone in that church goes to Hell? Not only will that pastor have those fokes blood on his hands but I will have the same blood on my hands.
How about this, I SHARE HIS WORD your NOT disagreeing with ME it's JESUS who you are disagreeing with.
Other men who tell you LIES you agree with then!!!
I'm just in the seed bossiness, just remember when you stand in front of JESUS it will be you and HIM and HE will be judging you with HIS RULE BOOK.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Notice is says SHOULD NOT PERISH? If you believe in his you will obey.
If you believed JESUS in John 3:16 WHY DON'T YOU believe what he says in the same conversation in John 3:5?
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Do YOU hear HIS words?
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
THE WHOLE BIBLE IS HIS WORDS, app 45 different men for many year wrote HIS word and he told them what to wright.
So DO YOU HEAR HIS WORDS?
Or just the words you like to hear?
Do you follow MEN or JESUS? Don't follow me either I didn't die for you.
To be saved, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and pray for JESUS to fill you with the Holy Ghost like HE gave HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4. John 3:5 Acts 2:38.
ALL IN LOVE.
What Peter referenced in his epistles is true for all who experience the NT rebirth. Everyone has the opportunity to be reborn through belief and obedience to what Peter initially presented at Pentecost. (Acts 2:4-42)
Yes, there were a select few indwelt by the Holy Ghost prior to Pentecost. However, scripture affirms that belief, repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus, and receiving the indwelling of the Holy Ghost are essential for everyone living in the New Testament era. Through the NT rebirth, the Spirit of Christ empowers and enables every born again individual to spread the gospel throughout the entire world.
What Jesus taught in John 14:16 had nothing to do with indwelling of the Holy Spirit prior to Pentecost. What He revealed was the Holy Spirit was dwelling with the apostles; but would be IN them; indicating a future reality.
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, (Jesus was dwelling with them) and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." John 14:16
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7
Yes, there were a select few indwelt by the Holy Ghost prior to Pentecost. However, scripture affirms that belief, repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus, and receiving the indwelling of the Holy Ghost are essential for everyone living in the New Testament era. Through the NT rebirth, the Spirit of Christ empowers and enables every born again individual to spread the gospel throughout the entire world.
What Jesus taught in John 14:16 had nothing to do with indwelling of the Holy Spirit prior to Pentecost. What He revealed was the Holy Spirit was dwelling with the apostles; but would be IN them; indicating a future reality.
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, (Jesus was dwelling with them) and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." John 14:16
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7
Well, I understand the HS in the OT as follows [Sorry the Scripture citations are not per CC format]:
Human nature was created good but not perfect (GN 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life (HB 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (PHP 3:12-15). Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (GN 2:17). At this stage a person’s interaction with the Spirit of God begins, but a soul’s FELLOWSHIP with God begins in a primitive or impersonal way when the person exercises God’s seeking grace to becomes a truthseeker, because God’s Spirit is Truth (1JN 5:6) and seeking salvation satisfies the command of Jesus regarding saving faith (MT 7:7), although the sinner does not know it (RM 1:17)
As a truthseeker at any time in history contemplates creation, Paul indicates that they will be able to discern God’s being and loving will in nature (RM 1:20, 2:14-15, GL 5:14) by means of what theologians call general revelation. When they realize that God has a moral requirement, if they worship Him they become like Abraham, and the relationship with God becomes personal (RM 4:1-25). Presumably God provides such believers the opportunity to learn the proto-gospel, so they may repent of sin and accept the pre-incarnate sacrifice of Christ, whether in the form of Abraham’s ram (GN 22:13) or Moses’ lamb (EX 12:21).
At the moment of repentance/saving faith, the Spirit of Christ/God’s Holy Spirit enters the believer’s spiritual heart (RV 3:20)–again even though they do not realize it–because Paul taught that whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Christ (RM 8:9). Of course, partial knowledge of God’s Word will limit ability to cooperate with Him, so there is a need for evangelism and learning the full Gospel (MT 28:19-20). If a moralist truthseeker (on the basis of general revelation) is taught about God (perhaps via the OT), then he/she may choose to believe in God or become a theist. If theists are taught the Gospel (NT), then they may choose to believe/accept Jesus as Christ. In both cases salvation is a gift/grace from God received by faith “from first to last” (RM 1:17).
Human nature was created good but not perfect (GN 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life (HB 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (PHP 3:12-15). Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (GN 2:17). At this stage a person’s interaction with the Spirit of God begins, but a soul’s FELLOWSHIP with God begins in a primitive or impersonal way when the person exercises God’s seeking grace to becomes a truthseeker, because God’s Spirit is Truth (1JN 5:6) and seeking salvation satisfies the command of Jesus regarding saving faith (MT 7:7), although the sinner does not know it (RM 1:17)
As a truthseeker at any time in history contemplates creation, Paul indicates that they will be able to discern God’s being and loving will in nature (RM 1:20, 2:14-15, GL 5:14) by means of what theologians call general revelation. When they realize that God has a moral requirement, if they worship Him they become like Abraham, and the relationship with God becomes personal (RM 4:1-25). Presumably God provides such believers the opportunity to learn the proto-gospel, so they may repent of sin and accept the pre-incarnate sacrifice of Christ, whether in the form of Abraham’s ram (GN 22:13) or Moses’ lamb (EX 12:21).
At the moment of repentance/saving faith, the Spirit of Christ/God’s Holy Spirit enters the believer’s spiritual heart (RV 3:20)–again even though they do not realize it–because Paul taught that whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Christ (RM 8:9). Of course, partial knowledge of God’s Word will limit ability to cooperate with Him, so there is a need for evangelism and learning the full Gospel (MT 28:19-20). If a moralist truthseeker (on the basis of general revelation) is taught about God (perhaps via the OT), then he/she may choose to believe in God or become a theist. If theists are taught the Gospel (NT), then they may choose to believe/accept Jesus as Christ. In both cases salvation is a gift/grace from God received by faith “from first to last” (RM 1:17).