The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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lrs68

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Just curious, but even though it's nowhere recorded in the Holy Spirit Inspired Bible, does anyone think the Apostles water baptized Matthew 28:19?
 
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What is water baptism for? Be great if you shared scripture.
Pledge of a good conscience toward God... sorry I'm on an older phone and I can't look up Scripture right now, but I can give the verse citation later if you need it. 1 Peter 3 verse 21
 

Wansvic

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note jesus disciples none were re baptized because they had listened to the gospel and heard of the holy ghost and so they received the promise just as those in acts 19 once they heard of Jesus and the Holy Ghost.
I agree there is no official record of the disciples actually being rebaptized. However, Peter did say that Everyone was to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin. This indicates there is a good possibility that the disciples had to submit to the NT water baptism as well.
 

lrs68

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I hope no new Christians are reading this Jesus only/Oneness nonsense.
I've read a couple explanations for it and there was variances to both and I have friends and know people that a lot of the things mentioned don't apply.
 

CS1

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I hope no new Christians are reading this Jesus only/Oneness nonsense.
there are radicals in each group. I know many Onesness Pastors who have agreed with DScriputre that both "formulas of water Baptism are valid. One, they realized that those who hold to the Trinity do not worship three gods.
 
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I agree there is no official record of the disciples actually being rebaptized. However, Peter did say that Everyone was to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin. This indicates there is a good possibility that the disciples had to submit to the NT water baptism as well.
Brother consider this

“….thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John………. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,….; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:13-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people By the remission of their sins, Through the tender mercy of our God; Whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:67, 76-78, 80‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. and preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4-5, 7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some other things John preached

“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:29-31‬ 33-34

“After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judæa; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. And John also was baptizing in Ænon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease. He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:22-23, 26-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

did you notice this part ?

“After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judæa; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. “

John never gets credit for his preaching about faith in Christ and remission of sins because it was beforhand and his name wasn’t known yet but there’s even more elsewhere .
 
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I hope no new Christians are reading this Jesus only/Oneness nonsense.
Yeah who could ever believe that God sent Jesus his only begotten son alone to save us …..or that his name matters who alone suffered and died to save us from our sins.

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:24

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How could anyone believe there’s just jesus name ?

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him ( Jesus ) should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him ( Jesus ) might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Never met Christian’s before who didn’t realize the name of christ is the name . But always a new experience to find here

takes some real “crazies” to believe in Jesus name and put thier faith in him alone …..
 

Wansvic

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The lack of understanding of water baptism and the idea it is a "rule." is completely unbiblical.


Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus in the Gospel of John chapter says:

3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The word Baptism is not used in context to being born again, is it? Born of water and of the Spirit is what is Jesu saying?



9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”


Jesus said :

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Not one word of Baptism in the context of eternal life
Consider that all detailed conversion accounts involved both water and Spirit. That is no coincidence. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
 

DJT_47

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There's still no example in the New Testament what you are claiming other than what you are making up as a personal doctrine. You are doing the same thing the Reformed do with predestination.
What exactly am I making up as a personal doctrine?
 

Wansvic

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11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire. Matthew 3:11
All detailed conversion accounts involved both water and Spirit. One did not negate the other. The accounts establish that the NT water baptism is an essential element of the rebirth. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
 

Wansvic

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again you are not able to fully comprehend the full nature of God nobody can. Yu are using human rational to dismiss The Trunity of GOD who is seen in the word of God.

God the Father, creator of all things, God the Son, the very expression of GOD, and God the Spirit who knows the mind of GOD and empowers the body of Christ. We cannot understand that. So stop.
As noted, It is written:
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 

Wansvic

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The word "Logos," which is an expression of God, Jesus, is visible. Image of the Invisible God
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. John 1
 
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All detailed conversion accounts involved both water and Spirit. One did not negate the other. The accounts establish that the NT water baptism is an essential element of the rebirth. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
No, the error is failure to view the outward work of WB as indicative of the essential SB that occurs at the moment of saving faith,
which parallels the OT outward act of circumcision as indicating the essential saving faith of Abraham (Rom. 2:25-29, 3:21-26, 4:1-25 & 5:1-11). Note how the doctrinal passages in Romans clarify what occurred in the historical in Acts.
 

DeanM

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Yeah who could ever believe that God sent Jesus his only begotten son alone to save us …..or that his name matters who alone suffered and died to save us from our sins.

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:24

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How could anyone believe there’s just jesus name ?

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him ( Jesus ) should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him ( Jesus ) might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Never met Christian’s before who didn’t realize the name of christ is the name . But always a new experience to find here

takes some real “crazies” to believe in Jesus name and put thier faith in him alone …..
Good job at taking a post and acting ignorant of what was meant. You should take your act on the road. Maybe hit the big time and start a mega church someday.