Poll about how you see predestination/freewill

[GWH]

Cheers for that reply, i find many people to like in some locally but it's the theology side i have issues with. The early Christians got the balance right in my opinion, i live in optimism yet.

Well, for me the problem is that having studied GW for as long (and I believe deeply) as I have,
it is boring for me to sit in the pew, but few seem to share my love for systematic study that applies GW to modern political issues,
even though the music may be good and the folks are friendly.

Since retiring from being a military chaplain, I have had a couple of opportunities to serve as a teacher in a couple of churches,
but nothing currently, so CC is my main ministry (being too old for full time church work)--which is a reason I offer to share the website: <truthseekersfellowship.com> (See my profile.)

 

[LifelongLearner]

Conspiracy theorist is a label people often attached to me prior to my waking up. It often bothered them as i'm obviously a very rational, deep thinker, i also knew there was nothing we could do to change events and was terrified about what would become of my children.

Knowing the LORD some now has freed me from such terror and the outcome is in his hands, not theirs. Luke 21:28 contains truth to cling to in these times.

 

[LifelongLearner]

The last comment of mine was meant to be in reply to yours GWH.

 

[GWH]

Conspiracy theorist is a label people often attached to me prior to my waking up. It often bothered them as i'm obviously a very rational, deep thinker, i also knew there was nothing we could do to change events and was terrified about what would become of my children.

Knowing the LORD some now has freed me from such terror and the outcome is in his hands, not theirs. Luke 21:28 contains truth to cling to in these times.

Indeed, along with the rest of GW, especially the NT.
It is the atheists who should have PTSD (pre-traumatic stress distress).

 

[awelight]

Sorry I did not notice that I owed you a reply until just now.

I still think regeneration and repentance or being saved refer to the same thing, which can also be described as conversion, saving faith/belief, baptism by the HS, opening the door to one's heart for Jesus to enter and being in Christ.

I also think this thing/event involves cooperation with God/GW, which action is the non-meritorious satisfying of the condition for salvation. God initiates; sinners may cooperate--or not. This MFW is a supernatural ability given by God to humans created in His image, and it makes them accountable for sins. God draws/calls/leads all sinners toward salvation via the cross, but He does not force them to drink the living water of regeneration.

Sorry for my delay on a response, somewhat busy this past week.

By your reply, one can deduce that you don't, at this time, have a clear understanding in the distinction between "Regeneration" (God's action upon the unregenerate sinner), and "Conversion", which involves the regenerate sinner and the Holy Spirit working in concert with one another. There is a one time conversion that leads one to Jesus Christ and that ones salvation - then an ongoing conversion throughout the believers life to become more Christ like everyday until they pass into eternity.

If I can ever be of help to you on this matter, let me know. May God be with you.

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

Sorry for my delay on a response, somewhat busy this past week.

By your reply, one can deduce that you don't, at this time, have a clear understanding in the distinction between "Regeneration" (God's action upon the unregenerate sinner), and "Conversion", which involves the regenerate sinner and the Holy Spirit working in concert with one another. There is a one time conversion that leads one to Jesus Christ and that ones salvation - then an ongoing conversion throughout the believers life to become more Christ like everyday until they pass into eternity.

If I can ever be of help to you on this matter, let me know. May God be with you.

I'm curious now. What do you believe starts the regenerative process? What makes it happen?

 

[GWH]

Sorry for my delay on a response, somewhat busy this past week.

By your reply, one can deduce that you don't, at this time, have a clear understanding in the distinction between "Regeneration" (God's action upon the unregenerate sinner), and "Conversion", which involves the regenerate sinner and the Holy Spirit working in concert with one another. There is a one time conversion that leads one to Jesus Christ and that ones salvation - then an ongoing conversion throughout the believers life to become more Christ like everyday until they pass into eternity.

If I can ever be of help to you on this matter, let me know. May God be with you.

I have no disagreement with the way you have defined the terms, so I am not sure why you thought I might,
although I confess that my "both-and" logic tends to minimize minor distinctions in the attempt to promote unity.
Another term we could/should throw in the mix is "sanctification" for ongoing conversion.

 

[wolfwint]

Hey yall, lets get this poll going I wanna see what you guys are gonna vote. I wont include the "other" option because so many would vote for it, even though they for sure are somewhat close to one of the mentioned views.

Well, I could not really find my position.
I would say we have a free will and are predestinatet.

 

[Burn1986]

Hey yall, let’s get this poll going I wanna see what you guys are gonna vote. I wont include the "other" option because so many would vote for it, even though they for sure are somewhat close to one of the mentioned views.

Nobody knows all those terms. The “Predestination” guys on here are in their own little group. They don’t provide anything to anyone. They just hump each others’ leg about how “chosen” they are. Pathetic

It’s like the snake handlers thinking they have some kind of stupid revelation. It’s all good till they get but.

 

[tablet123]

Arminianism: God gives free will; salvation is available to all, but people can reject it.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Although I do not follow anyone for the Bible is clear.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

God wants all people to come to the truth, repent, and be saved, for He is not willing that any perish.

Why do some people say otherwise.

They need to understand what the Bible is saying.

Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

They misunderstand predestined.

It means God had the plan of salvation before He laid down the foundation of the world and this salvation is to whoever wants it for He wants all people to be saved.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Some people do not want to accept the truth so they can have a no pressure lifestyle and dabble in sin believing they are alright.

 

[Melach]

Nobody knows all those terms. The “Predestination” guys on here are in their own little group. They don’t provide anything to anyone. They just hump each others’ leg about how “chosen” they are. Pathetic
.

just like st.paul was? do you know how many times the words elect and chosen are used in the bible? many many times.