Romans 9:6 - What is your interpretation of this scripture? Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.
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It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Being a child of God is not a matter of nationality or ethnicity. See Romans 4:11–17
Also Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
Being a child of God is not a matter of nationality or ethnicity. See Romans 4:11–17
Also Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
That passage is part of a much larger passage that explains it very clearly
Simple.
BELIEVING ISRAEL = BELIEVING JEWS = A SMALL MINORITY
NOT ALL ISRAEL = UNBELIEVING JEWS = A LARGE MAJORITY
The history of the Jews shows that they sabotaged themselves over and over again. But God still has a plan for future "believing Israel".
Thanks for your reply, I am in agreement.It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Being a child of God is not a matter of nationality or ethnicity. See Romans 4:11–17
Also Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
If the Jews do not come to Jesus, they will be cut from the Vine. The Gospel pertains to them as well as the Gentiles.
I would point out it does not call believing Gentiles who are reconciled with God 'Israel.' But some of those who are a part of the people-group of Israel on not on good terms with God spiritually. Romans 11 elaborates on this and discusses the future restoration of the people.
The restoration is a continual process. We saw it in Saul to Paul and we see it every day when those that call themselves Jewish hear the calling of Christ and convert.
Not all of Israel are Israel, only a remnant of Israel will be saved, but all Israel will be saved. The saved Israel is the Israel in Christ.
The Bible says the Deliverer will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Now they are enemies for your sakes concerning the Gospel, but beloved for the sakes of the fathers. The blindness is for a time, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Exactly. Saul was an enemy concerning the gospel until the time was correct for him to convert. The fullness of the Gentiles is not at the end of time, it is day by day. The blindness is lifted from descendants of Jacob all of the time, every day, modernly, not all at once at the end of time. The ones that never convert were never Israel to begin with. Not all of Israel are Israel.
Much of the nation is blinded temporarily... until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.... and so all Israel shall be saved. This was a mystery that Paul revealed in Romans 11.
Yes.
They must acknowledge their need to be cleansed by the blood of the same Jesus that their father's mocked and ridiculed 2000 years ago.
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kaylagrl
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Exactly. Many of Israel were broken off because of their unbelief. And if they do not continue in unbelief they will be grafted back in. Not all of Israel will be grafted back in.
The fullness of Gentiles and the lifting of the blindness happens all of the time, day by day. Many that call themselves Jews have their blindness lifted all of the time in modern times and hear the calling of Christ. Not all of Israel will be saved, but all Israel shall be saved. Not all of Israel are Israel. Salvation is in Christ.
Romans 11 states that the unbelieving people of Israel were already broken off. They will only be grafted back in if they do not continue in unbelief.
Absolutely. The Gospel has been preached to every creature which is under heaven (cf. Col 1:23).
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kaylagrl
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This is incorrect. What does "the fulness of the Gentiles" actually mean? Once you understand that you will also understand when "all Israel shall be saved". The Greek word "pleroma" (translated as "fulness") is explained thus:
Strong's Concordance
pléróma: fullness, a filling up
Original Word: πλήρωμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pléróma
Phonetic Spelling: (play'-ro-mah)
Definition: fullness, a filling up
Usage: (a) a fill, fullness; full complement; supply, patch, supplement, (b) fullness, filling, fulfillment, completion.
In the context of Romans 11:25 "full complement" or "completion" is the most appropriate application. And what this means is that God has already planned for a FINITE NUMBER of Gentiles to be grafted into the "good olive tree" of Israel (believing Jews). So the Church now consists primarily of Gentile believers and a minority of Jews. When the total number of Gentiles is complete, the Church will be raptured.
After that God will resume His direct dealings with Israel, and after the Second Coming of Christ "all Israel shall be saved". Now "all Israel" cannot mean every Jews since many Jews will not believe on Christ even after He appears physically on earth again. Only 1/3rd of all Jewry worldwide will be saved at that time: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. (Zech 13:8,9)
But "all Israel" can certainly mean "all the tribes of Israel", and we see a microcosm of this in the salvation and rapture of the 144,000 redeemed Jews (who prefigure "all Israel" on earth). It is noteworthy that the 12 tribes are never presented in the same order each time they are listed. In Revelation 7 this is the order: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph (Ephraim), Benjamin (and Dan is missing).
The order in the OT (Gen 35:22-26) is as follows:
The sons of Leah: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun
The sons of Rachel: Joseph, Benjamin
The sons of Bilhah (Rachel's handmaid, Jacob's concubine): Dan, Naphtali
The sons of Zilpah (Leah's handmaid, Jacob's concubine): Gad, Asher
However, Jacob blessed them in the following order perhaps by age (Gen 49): Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph, Benjamin.
But when we turn to Ezekiel 48, we see how they are placed in the land of "Greater Israel" (from north to south): Dan, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Reuben, Judah, Levi, Benjamin, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, Gad.
In any event, God is not finished with the twelve tribes of Israel. He also has twelve thrones for the twelve apostles of the Lamb who will sit on them and judge the twelve tribes of Israel. We do not know why they will need to be "judged".