What is your opinion as to why God changed Jacob's name to be henceforth called Israel? Gen 33:28.
replacement theology alertWhat is your opinion as to why God changed Jacob's name to be henceforth called Israel? Gen 33:28.
That is Genesis 32:28: And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.What is your opinion as to why God changed Jacob's name to be henceforth called Israel? Gen 33:28.
What is your opinion as to why God changed Jacob's name to be henceforth called Israel? Gen 33:28.
Not entirely sure but what I do know is that Israel is the apple of God's eye.What is your opinion as to why God changed Jacob's name to be henceforth called Israel? Gen 33:28.
What is truly amazing is the grace of God towards Jacob the deceiver (and subsequently towards the nation of Israel). Jacob did not start out as a man of faith, but eventually he did become one. And his wrestling with Christ (as the Angel of the LORD) was the point at which he was blessed by God.Not entirely sure but what I do know is that Israel is the apple of God's eye.
So, how can we know when the scriptures contain the word "Israel" in them, whether they have reference to Jacob or the nation of Israel?Possibly because of his struggle with God? To mark a special moment? To recognize the change in Jacob?
In Chapter 32 of Genesis, where Jacob wrestled with the angle, and prevailed against him, the angle (who was God?) made this statement: Thou name shall no more be called Jacob, but Israel; for as a Prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
In Chapter 35 of Genesis God made this statement: And God said unto him, thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not any more be called Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
Do the scriptures uphold that all of the nation of Israel will be saved, Romans 11:26, Does God mean the whole nation of Israel, when he says that he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob? Is Israel, in this verse, referring to Jacob's new name, of "Israel", or the whole nation of Israel?That is Genesis 32:28: And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
So the meaning is given within the verse. Israel would be a prince before God and men. As applied to the nation, Israel would be the dominant nation on earth after the Second Coming of Christ, and after Israel has been redeemed and restored.
But Jacob prevailed only because the pre-incarnate Christ allowed him to prevail, but then He put his hip out of joint (to show that Jacob actually wrestled with God, not just a man or an angel).
The literal meaning Israel (Hebrew Yis.ra.el) has been variously interpreted, and actually is rather confused and confusing.
1. Strong's says it means "God strives", which is not really true.
2. Brown-Driver-Briggs says "El persisteth" or "El persevereth" or "Let El persist" (El meaning God). Which again does not fit.
3. Another interpretation is "God prevails" but that contradicts the verse itself, just as "God strives" contradicts that incident.
4. Then we have another interpretation "He will rule as God" which again is not biblical since no man can rule as God.
5. Then we have Gesenius saying it means "Contender" or "Solider of God" (which again does not fit the verse).
Therefore we should stick with what the verse actually says.
Inheritance Theology Alert!replacement theology alert![]()
Scripture clearly teaches the (Church) is the Israel of God, it also teaches only the chosen elect remnant Jew will be saved and (Added) to his church, the rest of ethnic Jews are blinded.Do the scriptures uphold that all of the nation of Israel will be saved, Romans 11:26, Does God mean the whole nation of Israel, when he says that he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob? Is Israel, in this verse, referring to Jacob's new name, of "Israel", or the whole nation of Israel?
Thanks for correcting my misquoting the correct chapter in Genesis.
Inheritance Theology Alert!
The Church is the (Israel Of God) children of the promised seed (Inheritance)
As scripture clearly teaches below (Ethnic Israel, Jews) the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God.
Dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology) is the false teaching, God has one people and covenant with his (Church) through the shed blood upon Calvary.
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Israel is erm .. Israel and erm the church is erm not Israel . Things different are not the same .Inheritance Theology Alert!
The Church is the (Israel Of God) children of the promised seed (Inheritance)
As scripture clearly teaches below (Ethnic Israel, Jews) the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God.
Dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology) is the false teaching, God has one people and covenant with his (Church) through the shed blood upon Calvary.
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
I don't have a clue what your acronym (erm) isIsrael is erm .. Isreal and erm the church is erm not Israel . Things different are not the same .
Not every descendant of Israel is guaranteed salvation on the basis of being of Israel. Thats what Romans 9 is saying. Not of works .I don't have a clue what your acronym (erm) is![]()
Amen, I agree. Do you think God's decision to change Jacob's name to be called Israel, has anything to do with God's elect children?Scripture clearly teaches the (Church) is the Israel of God, it also teaches only the chosen elect remnant Jew will be saved and (Added) to his church, the rest of ethnic Jews are blinded.
When the last name is added to the Lambs Book Of Life, then all Israel will be saved.
Romans 11:5-7 & 26-28KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
The Church is the (Israel Of God) children of the promised seed (Inheritance)
As scripture clearly teaches below (Ethnic Israel, Jews) the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God.
Dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology) is the false teaching, God has one people and covenant with his (Church) through the shed blood upon Calvary.
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
#5Amen, I agree. Do you think God's decision to change Jacob's name to be called Israel, has anything to do with God's elect children?
Genesis 35:10-11KJVAmen, I agree. Do you think God's decision to change Jacob's name to be called Israel, has anything to do with God's elect children?
What are your thoughts on the fact that most all of God's regenerated children, when studying the scriptures, interpret the word "Israel" as being the nation of Israel, and not even consider that the word "Israel" has reference to Jacob as Israel.Genesis 35:10-11KJV
10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
When you study the subject, the current position of lifting up ethnic Jews (Israel) is part of the (Zionist) movement, Theodor Herzl 1896 in Switzerland.What are your thoughts on the fact that most all of God's regenerated children, when studying the scriptures, interpret the word "Israel" as being the nation of Israel, and not even consider that the word "Israel" has reference to Jacob as Israel.