Homosexuality in this century plus other fun things.

[wondernyan]

I didn't want to resort to a poorly designed website call christianchat.com, but I really wanted to address this and get some responses. I don't know who will respond to this and whether or not he or she is a reliable source. I guess I'll just hope for the best.

Let me preface this by claiming that I am not an expert on the Bible and its words. I may end up writing something that is completely wrong.

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I was trying to sleep, but I was instead thinking of God, the Bible, and Christianity. Mainly the people and their beliefs. I had an epiphany of sorts.

I, of course, believe in God and Jesus one hundred percent - no doubts at all. I am, however, beginning to doubt Christians and what they’re teaching. I’ve been wondering how years of changes in society and the government have altered people’s views on the Bible.

For example, in the Old Testament, women were shunned when they menstruated, right? Of course we do not shun women anymore, even though it was technically a teaching of God. But are women still sinning every month? When did God or Jesus ever say “In so-and-so years, menstruation is no longer a sin”?

Now let’s compare this to homosexuality. As well as menstruation being a “sin”, acting in a homosexual manner was also wrong during that time. So now, why is menstruation natural and non-sinful, while gay people still have to fight for their rights? Jesus said nothing about menstruation. Nor did he say anything about homosexuality.

Therefore, menstruation could still be a sin as well as homosexuality. Or both could be non-sinful. This is my dilemma.

If someone says to me “Menstruation isn’t a sin anymore because it is the 21st century”, can’t I say back “Then neither is homosexuality”?

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I am also not too sure about gay marriage. God defined marriage as “the union of one man and one woman.” He was very specific about this. So is gay marriage a sin? Can homosexuality not be sinful while gay marriage is? Or, similar to menstruation, can the times pass and make all of this invalid? Or can nothing just become “invalid”. Sinful menstruation did, did it not?

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Also, I could be completely ignorant and misinformed about everything.

 

[Ugly]

I didn't want to resort to a poorly designed website call christianchat.com, but I really wanted to address this and get some responses.

Well, start off by insulting the site. Brilliant tactic. So i'm assuming you could do better?

 

[chip]

can you give a reference which you are using to define a "period" a being sin?

 

[DABEARS8519]

Well, start off by insulting the site. Brilliant tactic. So i'm assuming you could do better?

I don't think that was the purpose of the post, and since she is 15, I don't think it is worth even focusing on that sentence. Secondly, how did I know people would be up in arms about something so irrelevant? That's her opinion, one that doesn't really matter enough to be upset over, especially when made by a young 15 year old girl. There are a lot of things I disagree with on the site as well, but it doesn't matter much, since I don't have the power to fix them, nor do I get paid to fix them either.

I think the point of the post was her actual questioning about homosexuality and menstruation being/not being sins, and also the idea that they are not treated equally (if both were in fact sins, which is not true, since menstruation is not a sin).

 

[Prettyfull]

Well I believe both are sins, but because this world is soooooooo corrupted, there are people mixing and playing with God's word, but in reality,
homosexual is a sin . God loves t sinners but he hates the sin. The best way to get your answer to your question is the bible, really and even if though this is the 21st century, that doesnt mean God upgrades his word, NO ! he is the same God from the day he created heaven and Earth to the day Christ arrives and forevermore.

Romans 1:26-27
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Timothy 1:10
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

Menstruation: this is not a sin and is not like homosexual,
homosexual is when the same sex attracts each other which is against God's will, but menstruation .. is something every girl face in life and is really natural and can't help it .. so yeah and I see that you are starting to doubt people with there teaching. The most reliable source on this Earth is the bible.. People will change and things will be upgradeed and etc but God's word remains the same from the beginning to the end

I hope this answers your question

 

[Ugly]

I don't think that was the purpose of the post, and since she is 15, I don't think it is worth even focusing on that sentence. Secondly, how did I know people would be up in arms about something so irrelevant? That's her opinion, one that doesn't really matter enough to be upset over, especially when made by a young 15 year old girl. There are a lot of things I disagree with on the site as well, but it doesn't matter much, since I don't have the power to fix them, nor do I get paid to fix them either.

I think the point of the post was her actual questioning about homosexuality and menstruation being/not being sins, and also the idea that they are not treated equally (if both were in fact sins, which is not true, since menstruation is not a sin).

Blah blah blah. Blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah.
First, if i want to comment on that line, then i will. I don't need your approval or permission.
Second, i understand the point of her post, i have no interest in yet another homosexuality post.
Yes, its her opinion, and one she made a conscience choice to give, and when you give opinion you open yourself up for comment, or rebuttal. And that's what she got.
Last, don't presume i was 'upset', i wasn't, i just find it rude to see someone insult, then seek help. Yes, she is 15, but if we excuse poor behavior in the name of age, then how do they ever learn?

 

[MidniteWelder]

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For example, in the Old Testament, women were shunned when they menstruated, right? Of course we do not shun women anymore, even though it was technically a teaching of God. But are women still sinning every month? When did God or Jesus ever say “In so-and-so years, menstruation is no longer a sin”?

Now let’s compare this to homosexuality. As well as menstruation being a “sin”, acting in a homosexual manner was also wrong during that time. So now, why is menstruation natural and non-sinful, while gay people still have to fight for their rights? Jesus said nothing about menstruation. Nor did he say anything about homosexuality.

Therefore, menstruation could still be a sin as well as homosexuality. Or both could be non-sinful. This is my dilemma.

If someone says to me “Menstruation isn’t a sin anymore because it is the 21st century”, can’t I say back “Then neither is homosexuality”?

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I am also not too sure about gay marriage. God defined marriage as “the union of one man and one woman.” He was very specific about this.

-----Yes he is very specific as you've noted, good for you on that part
God also tells us he doesnt change, change with the times etc.
therefore neither should we with beliefs of the world.
OT
Malachi 3:6: "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed."

NT
James 1:17: "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows

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Mestruation itself isnt a sin. It is simply regarded as the "unclean" time of the month for a woman.
Blood is regarded as sacred, a woman’s “uncleanliness” during her period was symbolic of the value placed on blood.
As Gods holy people he holds us to higher standards than the world to set us apart from the world
Clean from unclean
Circumcised from uncircumcised etc.
Prohibiting Sexual contact between a man and her husband during her unclean time also kept him from being unclean.
God has a reason for all things and I would see one reason also being to prevent the spread of any diseases or bacteria since blood transfers these more easily and readily than air-borne types.
Gods way of actually looking out for us and our health if we take a closer look at it.
Theres also a verse in the O.T. referring to washing in running water.

Leviticus 15
13And when he that hath an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean.

Again theres a reason, running water is cleaner while non-running water becomes stagnant
increasing a higher chance of bacteria growth increasing chance of infection etc.
We could look at one of Gods reasons as instructing them how to be healthy and have good hygeine so as not to get sick.
As well there are symbolic reasons, blood, again is highly regarded in the lords eyes.
He calls it lifeblood, such as asking us not to eat meat with its lifeblood still in it as well as he will demand an accounting for any blood shed even from the fault of an animal
4“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man. 6“Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man.

Blood is also symbolic of the fact that Jesus' bloodshed was the blood of the sacrificial lamb for our salvation.

A lot of these things were Levitical laws to keep Gods people healthy holy and set apart.
Its not a sin to menstruate, the sin is sexual relations during that time or coming in contact with the blood of her fountain, flow, etc.
This is the main verse but there are a few others

Leviticus 18:19
'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

Note it does not suggest she is sinful for having her period, but to be responsible about it, clean about it etc. To be a lady so to speak.

Now to even things up a little let me show ya something since it wasnt just a lady who had some cleanliness rules to follow during certain discharges, the man had the same rules to follow regarding his own.

Leviticus 15
When any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean. 3And this shall be his uncleanness in his issue: whether his flesh run with his issue, or his flesh be stopped from his issue, it is his uncleanness. 4Every bed, whereon he lieth that hath the issue, is unclean: and every thing, whereon he sitteth, shall be unclean. 5And whosoever toucheth his bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

Homosexuality on the other hand is spoken against in the old and new testament since it is sexually immoral as bestiality is un-natural and immoral.
OT Levitucs 18:
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
NT 1 Cor 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders ( also called effeminate in KJV)

For instance Is a girl attracted to an effeminate guy or a guy who isnt?
Most would say no to effeminate since it is instinctively un-natural
They may wanna marry their best friend but not their best GIRL friend right lol

God has set morals which he asks us to follow as his people, and as believers in Christ.
I hope this helps clear some confusion up for you,
A woman is not sinning just for having a period ok,
They didnt have the helpful items back then that they have now to accomplish this.
Thats what I see thats changed, is that its easier to be clean about it now compared to before.

Although since the Lord tells us he doesnt change Im sure he also wants a woman to be clean about it still.
Its also a time of cleansing for the inner body as God made it this way.

 

[Jemuel]

Let us keep watch because the enemy is at work. Let us rebuke with love. Our main purpose is to glorify God. Let us pray and be guided before we post.


Glory to the risen king

 

[Prettyfull]

now now I think we should stop from here please

there's better things we can do with our time. |
Time is near with Christ 2nd coming and we should be revealing God's word to the world and save some souls. Time is precious people, there's no need for you people to start having a go at each other now, this is exactly what the devil wants.. This is a Christian site where we answer questions from God's word or just simply share, not arguing. Please don't bite my head off, it's just ,remember fruits of the spirit

Galatians 5:22-24
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23-gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

and this is a little quote my mother always use when she sees arguments going on or when there's tense in the air and that is

"share the love"

 

[Jemuel]

now now I think we should stop from here please

there's better things we can do with our time. |
Time is near with Christ 2nd coming and we should be revealing God's word to the world and save some souls. Time is precious people, there's no need for you people to start having a go at each other now, this is exactly what the devil wants.. This is a Christian site where we answer questions from God's word or just simply share, not arguing. Please don't bite my head off, it's just ,remember fruits of the spirit

Galatians 5:22-24
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23-gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

and this is a little quote my mother always use when she sees arguments going on or when there's tense in the air and that is

"share the love"

i agree.....

Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 

[masha]

Hallo Wondernyan.
this is my first time to hear that menstruation is a problem, can you send me the chapter of the Bible you read please if possible.cos is God who made us women to be with menstruation. about gays according to my opinion is wrong cos human being are not animals and thanks GOD He made us with brain to be able to know what is good and whats wrong, but most of the people choose to sin cos of our weakness. if we LOVE GOD we have to obey Him, also if you read Romans 1:26-28 it will tell you homosexual is sin.bye.

 

[wondernyan]

Thank you for all of your responses.

First, I am sorry that I insulted the website. I realized my mistake after I posted it.

And I now understand that menstruation is not a sin, which I thank you for. However, I am still not convinced whether or not homosexuality is a sin. I really liked the verses posted about God never changing, and I agree with them. But, it just seems like their are so many arguments out there that can justify homosexuality not being a sin.

I realize that there are a lot of posts dealing with homosexuality on here; I am sorry.

On an slightly irrelevant note, I was a bit appalled by the amount of homophobia on this site! I understand that some people do not believe in or support gay rights, but I am sure that Jesus said "love everyone" and "tolerate everyone".

That's all.

 

[jimmydiggs]

However, I am still not convinced whether or not homosexuality is a sin.

How about this?

1 Cor. 6:9
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

But, it just seems like their are so many arguments out there that can justify homosexuality not being a sin.

If it's not a scriptural argument, then don't take heed.

On an slightly irrelevant note, I was a bit appalled by the amount of homophobia on this site!

What do you mean by homophobia? I don't know nor have I seen anyway on this website afraid of homosexuality.

and "tolerate everyone".

Prove it.

 

[Lucy68]

In the Old Testament when women had to go out of the camp during their period, it was to begin the teaching that there is something significant about blood. (I think they were probably happy to get away for some peace and quiet )

Also, the animal sacrifices, which seem like a really horrible thing for God to request, was a symbolic lesson that showed the Israelites (God's chosen people) two things mainly....that the wages of sin is death and that mankind had to be redeemed (brought back into relationship with God) through the shedding of blood. Life is in the blood. Eventually, God sent His own Son to earth to die for the sins of mankind. His blood was shed in order to pay that debt that we owe. People who believe that Christ is the Son of God, repent of their sins, and ask Jesus to live in them are 'redeemed' people. They will live with God in His kingdom in eternity. Also, while on earth, they will (hopefully) live as Christ-like as possible (though none of us will attain perfection while on earth...we will still sin; we just try VERY HARD not to ).

Jesus is called the perfect 'lamb of God' because He was the ULTIMATE blood sacrifice. After His death, no more animal sacrifices were needed. Thank God, because I would find it a very hard thing to do .

The Bible speaks in several places about homosexuality being a sin...plus many other things. For Christians, who believe that the Bible is the Word of God, we try to live by His standards. You are repeating a much taught humanistic philosophy that our culture has taught. We are now living in a post-Christian society so it's not a big surprise that you think of Christians as 'homophobes'. The Big Guy is the one that makes these rules so you'll need to take your questions to Him. He likes questions .

He loves you VERY much and wants you to be protected while here on earth and especially would like you to live with Him in eternity . Please get a bible and start reading about why we're here, how we got here, and where we're going

 

[Ugly]

T

On an slightly irrelevant note, I was a bit appalled by the amount of homophobia on this site! I understand that some people do not believe in or support gay rights, but I am sure that Jesus said "love everyone" and "tolerate everyone".

That's all.

By homophobia you mean people who take a stand against homosexuality? Because that is not homophobia. I don't fear homosexual, i don't hate homosexuals. I am against the sin of homosexuality, but i have worked with and be friendly with a number of homosexuals. And while i am strongly against their lifestyle, i never once made a point to criticize them, or put them down. To my knowledge, most, or all of the homosexuals i have ever worked with didn't even know i was against their lifestyles because i didn't feel to bring it up, and it didn't come up naturally.
In fact, i was once discriminated against by a homosexual for being a Christian, despite never having said a word to her about her lifestyle, or my belief on the matter, she knew i was a Christian and fired me from a job. And not in a very nice manner either. Actually, i had another gay boss who i believe knew i was a Christian and he didn't like me either, and again, i never said a word to him about my stance on homosexuality.
I've never once been accused of discriminating against a homosexual i've worked with, but i have been discriminated against twice by homosexuals.
All in all i think most people agree its wrong, but also agree to hate the sin, and love the sinner. Some people may be disgusted by the idea of homosexuality, but that doesn't make them homophobes either. People use the word homophobe way too easily. People don't even use it in the right context. 'Phobia' is a fear of something. I can disagree with something without being afraid of it. I think genuine homophobia in its true context is not very common, i've never met anyone who had a 'fear of homosexuals'. But met plenty to disagree with homosexuals. So now, with the true context of the word laid out, what 'homophobia' are you seeing?

Also, thank you for the apology about the site. Please take note this site is owned, ran, maintained, upgraded by one person, who also runs two other Christians sites, and has a family with i think 3 children and a wife to take care of. This site runs off of donations, so he can only do what funds and time allow him to do, along with his other responsibilities. On top of all that, he's also trying to redesign the entire site, forums and chat. So it may not be the best site, but for one person with limited time and funds i think he does a good job.

 

[chasten]

Fearing homosexuals is retarded, unless they are in some a danger to me or my family. Biblically I am not to condone homosexuality. I dont know of any verse in the old Testament that talks about menstration being sinful... I havent read all the Old Testament, but I have read all the new. So as far as I know, that menstration topic, could be a debate in and of itself. Everyone has periods. And not everyone is gay. Seems like a good enough difference to me. My sight on the whole christianity being changed over the years thing is this. If god was leaving a legacy for his people... and it was the only way they could live, wouldnt he make sure that it got to them in the cleanest, most untouched way possible? Now in the Old Testament, they also had to make sacrifices and so on, so maybe this menstration topic was just meant for people to remain clean, so as not to make anyone sick, or messy. God wants a relationship, and in their case hes going to make laws for them to live by, and make certain things they must sacrice, similar to what we have today.
And just a note: if you hear a small voice..or you have an epiphany about god, you might wanna follow it, it might lead you somwhere.

 

[chasten]

1 corinthians 6:9 Which is Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived:neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals.
There are many instances there is also a verse that says a man shall not lie with a man like with a woman, it is blasphemy. Ill look that up for you now. That would be Leviticus 18:22 The new king james version of that is .. you shall not lie with a man as with a woman: it IS an abomination. Uhm.. Romans 1:27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 1 Timothy 1:10 esv the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, uhm..lets see Theres Leviticus 20:13'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.
In order to cast out the beam in your brothers eye, you must first cast out the mote in your own eye in order to see correctly. However, just because we are to love the sinner and hate the sin, just because some people sin differently than others, does not imply to ME in any way that I am to condone sin. OR that it is OKAY to sin.In others or myself.

I hope this helps, it was a facebook post I made awhile back...but anyway, there is a difference between homophobia, and not believing that it is okay. If a gay person wanted a bible study, I would probably not point these verses out at first, but instead try to explain some of the topics they would need to know in starting their christian journey, knowing that this topic would probably jump out at them at some point. Ill leave that all up to the holy spirit. All true christians, I beleive would do their best to help someone who is lost, no matter who they are. Gender, and sexual preferences aside...

 

[eugenius]

Don't compare homosexuality and menstruation. Menstruation is part of the child birth process while homosexuality prevents child birth in the first place.

Think about it for at least 30 seconds. Man + Man does not equal baby. Woman + Woman does not equal baby.

That is my number one reason for thinking there is anything wrong with homosexuality at all. I don't even need the Bible to arrive at this conclusion. The whole point of sex is child birth. This is something modern society has forgotten. It has turned sex into something more than it actually is. Sex is a thing that God put into you so that you (as well as plants and animals) have the desire to have offspring and continue the human race. Duh people.

Now I do understand where you are coming from wondernyan. Many Christians have treated homosexuals and women bad in the past and some are continuing to do so. But this is a completely separate issue.

I can believe that homosexuality is unnatural because it prevents child birth, but I can still love homosexuals because either God made them that way or they choose to be that way, I am not decided on this issue.

But yea.Get your issues straight. If you want to argue please argue from the level of an adult, not a little kid.

 

[oracle2world]

GLBT lifestyles are unsustainable. That is the long and short of it.

 

[xXTroubleXx]

So now, why is menstruation natural and non-sinful, while gay people still have to fight for their rights?

I just want to make a distinction that there is a difference between what people believe as a part of their religion and the rights people receive as citizens who are a part of society. From a Christian perspective, there is the law you follow as part of your religion, and then from a secular perspective, there is the law that you follow in your society. I hold the opinion that someone's civil rights shouldn't be decided based on what the Bible says or doesn't say about sin... although there are certainly people out there who would have a word or two with me about that, I'm sure...

Sorry, Just being nit picky!

In terms of gay marriage, I would have to say that based on what little I know about the Bible, my impression would be that gay marriage is a no-no. However, in terms of gays getting married legally in our society, I don't give 2 ducks.

Here's a little gem of an article that offers some insight on what it is like to be gay and a christian: Bible Translation Errors

You can also read about the author of the article, which is also an interesting read.

Hope this provides some useful or insightful information.