Cornflakes, SDAs and Sexual Urges

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I heard that inventor(s) of the Kellogg's corn flakes, the Kellogg brothers, made them in an SDA 'sanitarium', before they went into business selling the bland breakfast cereal. I suppose it was an innovation for a quick breakfast (and they aren't too bad with honey.) But the theory behind them was supposedly that eating bland food dulled the sexual urges.

The Kelloggs, or at least one of the brothers, was a Seventh Day Adventist and a long-time associate of Ellen G White and James Whites, founders of the Seventh Day Adventists. I've read just a little of Ellen G. White's writings when I was younger. I think someone sent me a book and I saw one that had a nice name on it in a book store. But I couldn't get into it. One of the books was sooooo flowery in the language. She really 'pulled out her adjectives (remember that School House Rock song-- it was a hairy bear; it was a scary bear.) And it was one of those books with all the other thousands of books to read and things to do, why read this. The other book was on her eschatology and law-keeping ideology. One of her health books said something about the importance breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth I recall... not something I want to sit around and read.

From what I read, Ellen G. White seemed to be somewhat in favor of keeping sexual urges down within marriage, thinking ill of missionaries that were married who couldn't hold off on having children.... not an ideology or attitude I would be on board with.

Some of the SDAs are considered conservative, and treat this library of WG White's books just about as if they were scripture, and the liberals might be a bit more like evangelicals, I've hard. I saw a Sunday School lesson with a picture of EG White and a lesson on some aspect of her life, encouraging SDA kids to be like her. It was bizarre to me. I am used to seeing lessons about Biblical characters. I am guessing the Presbyterians would do the same with Calvin or Knox or Methodists doing the same with Wesley. Many Baptists wouldn't know who Roger Williams or Shubel Stearns are.

Anyway, SDAs weren't the only ones who thought bland foods were useful in controlling lusts and bodily urges. Graham crackers are named for a Presbyterian minister who thought his bland crackers would help in this regard, though the cracker industry has flavored them up to taste like sweet cookies, so they aren't the original bland product.

What do you think of the idea that bland food helps with other bodily urges in light of this scripture? And does this idea represent SDA thinking or EG White's thinking on the matter.

Colossians 2:20–23 (NKJV)

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—
21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”
22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
 
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The Kellogg and Graham stories are available from a number of sources, so I consider them true. As for bland food dulling sexual urges, it's unscientific, unbiblical, and utterly ridiculous.
 
I heard that inventor(s) of the Kellogg's corn flakes, the Kellogg brothers, made them in an SDA 'sanitarium', before they went into business selling the bland breakfast cereal. I suppose it was an innovation for a quick breakfast (and they aren't too bad with honey.) But the theory behind them was supposedly that eating bland food dulled the sexual urges.

The Kelloggs, or at least one of the brothers, was a Seventh Day Adventist and a long-time associate of Ellen G White and James Whites, founders of the Seventh Day Adventists. I've read just a little of Ellen G. White's writings when I was younger. I think someone sent me a book and I saw one that had a nice name on it in a book store. But I couldn't get into it. One of the books was sooooo flowery in the language. She really 'pulled out her adjectives (remember that School House Rock song-- it was a hairy bear; it was a scary bear.) And it was one of those books with all the other thousands of books to read and things to do, why read this. The other book was on her eschatology and law-keeping ideology. One of her health books said something about the importance breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth I recall... not something I want to sit around and read.

From what I read, Ellen G. White seemed to be somewhat in favor of keeping sexual urges down within marriage, thinking ill of missionaries that were married who couldn't hold off on having children.... not an ideology or attitude I would be on board with.

Some of the SDAs are considered conservative, and treat this library of WG White's books just about as if they were scripture, and the liberals might be a bit more like evangelicals, I've hard. I saw a Sunday School lesson with a picture of EG White and a lesson on some aspect of her life, encouraging SDA kids to be like her. It was bizarre to me. I am used to seeing lessons about Biblical characters. I am guessing the Presbyterians would do the same with Calvin or Knox or Methodists doing the same with Wesley. Many Baptists wouldn't know who Roger Williams or Shubel Stearns are.

Anyway, SDAs weren't the only ones who thought bland foods were useful in controlling lusts and bodily urges. Graham crackers are named for a Presbyterian minister who thought his bland crackers would help in this regard, though the cracker industry has flavored them up to taste like sweet cookies, so they aren't the original bland product.

What do you think of the idea that bland food helps with other bodily urges in light of this scripture? And does this idea represent SDA thinking or EG White's thinking on the matter.

Colossians 2:20–23 (NKJV)

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—
21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”
22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


I love seventh day Adventists, but their beliefs are in parts divorced from Biblical reality. Rather than give a list, I might post a sermon. The worst teaching is that their official doctrine on salvation is of works.
I must regard her writings to be UNinspired by the Holy Spirit.
First of all, I Timothy 4 says of these later day prophets,

1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

A lot of people die earlier than necessary and suffer poor health from eliminating meat (best source of amino acid and fats) from their meals.

Jesus ate meat.
Does it matter what Ellen White says about nutrition?
Does her dietary teachings have special spiritual significance?
Perhaps to SDA, Hindus, Jews, and various religions that have dietary laws. I don't judge people for their choice of real whole foods, but they should learn that they are following Seventh Day, Hinduism or whatever as an unbiblical teaching.
What is this called in the epistle?
Doctrines of.........
 
I heard that inventor(s) of the Kellogg's corn flakes, the Kellogg brothers, made them in an SDA 'sanitarium', before they went into business selling the bland breakfast cereal. I suppose it was an innovation for a quick breakfast (and they aren't too bad with honey.) But the theory behind them was supposedly that eating bland food dulled the sexual urges.

The Kelloggs, or at least one of the brothers, was a Seventh Day Adventist and a long-time associate of Ellen G White and James Whites, founders of the Seventh Day Adventists. I've read just a little of Ellen G. White's writings when I was younger. I think someone sent me a book and I saw one that had a nice name on it in a book store. But I couldn't get into it. One of the books was sooooo flowery in the language. She really 'pulled out her adjectives (remember that School House Rock song-- it was a hairy bear; it was a scary bear.) And it was one of those books with all the other thousands of books to read and things to do, why read this. The other book was on her eschatology and law-keeping ideology. One of her health books said something about the importance breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth I recall... not something I want to sit around and read.

From what I read, Ellen G. White seemed to be somewhat in favor of keeping sexual urges down within marriage, thinking ill of missionaries that were married who couldn't hold off on having children.... not an ideology or attitude I would be on board with.

Some of the SDAs are considered conservative, and treat this library of WG White's books just about as if they were scripture, and the liberals might be a bit more like evangelicals, I've hard. I saw a Sunday School lesson with a picture of EG White and a lesson on some aspect of her life, encouraging SDA kids to be like her. It was bizarre to me. I am used to seeing lessons about Biblical characters. I am guessing the Presbyterians would do the same with Calvin or Knox or Methodists doing the same with Wesley. Many Baptists wouldn't know who Roger Williams or Shubel Stearns are.

Anyway, SDAs weren't the only ones who thought bland foods were useful in controlling lusts and bodily urges. Graham crackers are named for a Presbyterian minister who thought his bland crackers would help in this regard, though the cracker industry has flavored them up to taste like sweet cookies, so they aren't the original bland product.

What do you think of the idea that bland food helps with other bodily urges in light of this scripture? And does this idea represent SDA thinking or EG White's thinking on the matter.

Colossians 2:20–23 (NKJV)

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—
21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”
22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

We are all born first in Flesh nature after Adam the first. Which no flesh can please Father, Daddy, PaPa
Romans 8:3 all sin is now by Son condemned to the flesh. No flesh can please Daddy, PaPa, Father but Son's that did it for us all read from Romand 8:1-3, then move forward in the rest of that chapter please

See, before Christ after the fall of Adam the first, man tried and could not ever do it perfect. I see this all through the First (Old) Testament. Man could not do it perfect ever. God even divorced his first Chosen
Then remarried. We have the story of Hosea, and others. God reaching out forever in mercy and truth forever, trying to get us each to see God only wants what is best for us all (Jeremiah 29:11)
God loves us all, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened, then the resurrection for us to be raised too, in love and mercy for all
Thank you Lord
 
We are all born first in Flesh nature after Adam the first. Which no flesh can please Father, Daddy, PaPa
Romans 8:3 all sin is now by Son condemned to the flesh. No flesh can please Daddy, PaPa, Father but Son's that did it for us all read from Romand 8:1-3, then move forward in the rest of that chapter please

See, before Christ after the fall of Adam the first, man tried and could not ever do it perfect. I see this all through the First (Old) Testament. Man could not do it perfect ever. God even divorced his first Chosen
Then remarried. We have the story of Hosea, and others. God reaching out forever in mercy and truth forever, trying to get us each to see God only wants what is best for us all (Jeremiah 29:11)
God loves us all, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened, then the resurrection for us to be raised too, in love and mercy for all
Thank you Lord

All anyone can do that is real is believe God loves them, then the new life will really begin real though them, jot trying t do what not other flesh can do, thank you