Christian worldview - Sinful nature vs blank nature; Cyclical history vs linear history; Plot-driven vs character-driven

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These are some deep philosophical conflicts we all have to face, yet the church has little, if no teaching at all to cultivate a comprehensive worldview that helps us deal with these conflicts. In the title are three top conflicts that have been haunting me.

The first is around the doctrine of original sin, based on Rom. 5:12 - "through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." Originally in Judaism, this wasn't a valid doctrine, the tasting of the forbidden fruit in the garden was a risky yet conscious choice, it was like going out for an adventure rather than staying at home. It became a fundamental doctrine during the medieval period, all the evils and chaos in the world could be attributed to mankind's sinful nature, including disease, natural disaster and foreign invasion, those were viewed as God's judgement; but ever since the Enlightenment and Reformation, it was rejected, and replaced with internal factors such as shame, trauma, mental issue or external factors such as injustice, inequality, cultural stigma. I believe this is the root cause of various cults and quasi-religious ideologies, including the de facto civil religion of "moralistic therapeutic Deism". The gospel message is consistent: "Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures," 1 Cor. 15:3, but misconception of "sin" NOT according to the Scripture leads to false christs.

The second is a view of human history, where do we come from and where are we going. Traditional pagan view of history across most cultures is a cyclical view, every civilization goes through "strong men" cycles of rise, peak, decline and collapse (i.e. hard times create strong men), history just constantly repeats itself following a fixed pattern, there's nothing new under the sun. Sometimes a strikingly similar historical event in one place at one time could be repeated in the other side of the planet several centuries later. Linear view, on the other hand, suggests that human history progresses in a certain direction, as demonstrated in king Nebuchadnezzar's dream, empires rise, fall and fracture, it will end with God's judgement, Christ's return and his millennial kingdom.

The third one is about how you view your own life in terms of human agency. "Plot-driven" and "character-driven" are literary terms, the former focuses on plot progression, characters are merely parts that drive the plot forward, each has a prescribed type and function; "character-driven" focuses on character development, and through the characters' own journey and maturation, they defy the odds, make consequential decisions that actually change their life trajectory and others'. So the first is submission to fate, the second is struggle with fate. These two attitudes are closely linked to the two views of history above, usually cyclical view is plot-driven, linear view is character-driven.

Most people probably have a hard time with the first one, original sin is offensive and unacceptable, but it's perfectly fine to me, it was the awareness of my sins that led me to Christ. The seven deadly sins - lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, anger, envy, pride - are our inherent weaknesses, only can they be overcome, with the seven heavenly virtues, which I consider as spiritual fruits even though they are slightly different from the nine in the bible. On the third one I have a mixed feeling, some teachings such as "remain in the same calling your were called.", "submission to husband, master, authority", "not my will but yours," "the end was declared from the beginning" espouse "submission to fate;" others such as Jacob's wrestling with God, parable of the talents, "such a time as this" teach "struggle with fate".

The second one particularly bothers me, a history nerd who likes reading history books and watching period shows. I think we can all agree that we live in a perilous time, full of chaos, decadence, uncertainty and misinformation, there seems to be no vision of the future. My first reaction is to dig up answers from history and draw parallels - is Trump Hitler as portrayed on the media? Or is he McKingley, a puppet of the 19th century oligarchs? A Neville Chamberlain on the international stage? Are we living in a new gilded age of the late 1890s? Or a new Great Depression combined with 1930s Nazi Germany? Or maybe the eve of a civil war, in wake of the Minnesota riot, which could be the new Bleeding Kansas? Christians ought to take the linear view, but the cyclical view is the path of least resistence, it is easy to perceive through existing patterns and formulas, it's much harder to imagine that all human accomplishments will come to an end, there won't even be reproduction in God's kingdom (Rev. 22:30), but it does make sense in a biblical way, as Christ's return marks the end of all human struggles.
 
These are some deep philosophical conflicts we all have to face, yet the church has little, if no teaching at all to cultivate a comprehensive worldview that helps us deal with these conflicts. In the title are three top conflicts that have been haunting me.

The first is around the doctrine of original sin, based on Rom. 5:12 - "through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." Originally in Judaism, this wasn't a valid doctrine, the tasting of the forbidden fruit in the garden was a risky yet conscious choice, it was like going out for an adventure rather than staying at home. It became a fundamental doctrine during the medieval period, all the evils and chaos in the world could be attributed to mankind's sinful nature, including disease, natural disaster and foreign invasion, those were viewed as God's judgement; but ever since the Enlightenment and Reformation, it was rejected, and replaced with internal factors such as shame, trauma, mental issue or external factors such as injustice, inequality, cultural stigma. I believe this is the root cause of various cults and quasi-religious ideologies, including the de facto civil religion of "moralistic therapeutic Deism". The gospel message is consistent: "Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures," 1 Cor. 15:3, but misconception of "sin" NOT according to the Scripture leads to false christs.

The second is a view of human history, where do we come from and where are we going. Traditional pagan view of history across most cultures is a cyclical view, every civilization goes through "strong men" cycles of rise, peak, decline and collapse (i.e. hard times create strong men), history just constantly repeats itself following a fixed pattern, there's nothing new under the sun. Sometimes a strikingly similar historical event in one place at one time could be repeated in the other side of the planet several centuries later. Linear view, on the other hand, suggests that human history progresses in a certain direction, as demonstrated in king Nebuchadnezzar's dream, empires rise, fall and fracture, it will end with God's judgement, Christ's return and his millennial kingdom.

The third one is about how you view your own life in terms of human agency. "Plot-driven" and "character-driven" are literary terms, the former focuses on plot progression, characters are merely parts that drive the plot forward, each has a prescribed type and function; "character-driven" focuses on character development, and through the characters' own journey and maturation, they defy the odds, make consequential decisions that actually change their life trajectory and others'. So the first is submission to fate, the second is struggle with fate. These two attitudes are closely linked to the two views of history above, usually cyclical view is plot-driven, linear view is character-driven.

Most people probably have a hard time with the first one, original sin is offensive and unacceptable, but it's perfectly fine to me, it was the awareness of my sins that led me to Christ. The seven deadly sins - lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, anger, envy, pride - are our inherent weaknesses, only can they be overcome, with the seven heavenly virtues, which I consider as spiritual fruits even though they are slightly different from the nine in the bible. On the third one I have a mixed feeling, some teachings such as "remain in the same calling your were called.", "submission to husband, master, authority", "not my will but yours," "the end was declared from the beginning" espouse "submission to fate;" others such as Jacob's wrestling with God, parable of the talents, "such a time as this" teach "struggle with fate".

The second one particularly bothers me, a history nerd who likes reading history books and watching period shows. I think we can all agree that we live in a perilous time, full of chaos, decadence, uncertainty and misinformation, there seems to be no vision of the future. My first reaction is to dig up answers from history and draw parallels - is Trump Hitler as portrayed on the media? Or is he McKingley, a puppet of the 19th century oligarchs? A Neville Chamberlain on the international stage? Are we living in a new gilded age of the late 1890s? Or a new Great Depression combined with 1930s Nazi Germany? Or maybe the eve of a civil war, in wake of the Minnesota riot, which could be the new Bleeding Kansas? Christians ought to take the linear view, but the cyclical view is the path of least resistence, it is easy to perceive through existing patterns and formulas, it's much harder to imagine that all human accomplishments will come to an end, there won't even be reproduction in God's kingdom (Rev. 22:30), but it does make sense in a biblical way, as Christ's return marks the end of all human struggles.

Philosophy is not a Christian pursuit. Paul reasoned with an assortment of philosophers & idolators on Mars Hill with limited success:
Act 17:22-25 KJV - 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

1Co 1:18 KJV - 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
 
These are some deep philosophical conflicts we all have to face, yet the church has little, if no teaching at all to cultivate a comprehensive worldview that helps us deal with these conflicts. In the title are three top conflicts that have been haunting me.

The first is around the doctrine of original sin, based on Rom. 5:12 - "through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." Originally in Judaism, this wasn't a valid doctrine, the tasting of the forbidden fruit in the garden was a risky yet conscious choice, it was like going out for an adventure rather than staying at home. It became a fundamental doctrine during the medieval period, all the evils and chaos in the world could be attributed to mankind's sinful nature, including disease, natural disaster and foreign invasion, those were viewed as God's judgement; but ever since the Enlightenment and Reformation, it was rejected, and replaced with internal factors such as shame, trauma, mental issue or external factors such as injustice, inequality, cultural stigma. I believe this is the root cause of various cults and quasi-religious ideologies, including the de facto civil religion of "moralistic therapeutic Deism". The gospel message is consistent: "Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures," 1 Cor. 15:3, but misconception of "sin" NOT according to the Scripture leads to false christs.

The second is a view of human history, where do we come from and where are we going. Traditional pagan view of history across most cultures is a cyclical view, every civilization goes through "strong men" cycles of rise, peak, decline and collapse (i.e. hard times create strong men), history just constantly repeats itself following a fixed pattern, there's nothing new under the sun. Sometimes a strikingly similar historical event in one place at one time could be repeated in the other side of the planet several centuries later. Linear view, on the other hand, suggests that human history progresses in a certain direction, as demonstrated in king Nebuchadnezzar's dream, empires rise, fall and fracture, it will end with God's judgement, Christ's return and his millennial kingdom.

The third one is about how you view your own life in terms of human agency. "Plot-driven" and "character-driven" are literary terms, the former focuses on plot progression, characters are merely parts that drive the plot forward, each has a prescribed type and function; "character-driven" focuses on character development, and through the characters' own journey and maturation, they defy the odds, make consequential decisions that actually change their life trajectory and others'. So the first is submission to fate, the second is struggle with fate. These two attitudes are closely linked to the two views of history above, usually cyclical view is plot-driven, linear view is character-driven.

Most people probably have a hard time with the first one, original sin is offensive and unacceptable, but it's perfectly fine to me, it was the awareness of my sins that led me to Christ. The seven deadly sins - lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, anger, envy, pride - are our inherent weaknesses, only can they be overcome, with the seven heavenly virtues, which I consider as spiritual fruits even though they are slightly different from the nine in the bible. On the third one I have a mixed feeling, some teachings such as "remain in the same calling your were called.", "submission to husband, master, authority", "not my will but yours," "the end was declared from the beginning" espouse "submission to fate;" others such as Jacob's wrestling with God, parable of the talents, "such a time as this" teach "struggle with fate".

The second one particularly bothers me, a history nerd who likes reading history books and watching period shows. I think we can all agree that we live in a perilous time, full of chaos, decadence, uncertainty and misinformation, there seems to be no vision of the future. My first reaction is to dig up answers from history and draw parallels - is Trump Hitler as portrayed on the media? Or is he McKingley, a puppet of the 19th century oligarchs? A Neville Chamberlain on the international stage? Are we living in a new gilded age of the late 1890s? Or a new Great Depression combined with 1930s Nazi Germany? Or maybe the eve of a civil war, in wake of the Minnesota riot, which could be the new Bleeding Kansas? Christians ought to take the linear view, but the cyclical view is the path of least resistence, it is easy to perceive through existing patterns and formulas, it's much harder to imagine that all human accomplishments will come to an end, there won't even be reproduction in God's kingdom (Rev. 22:30), but it does make sense in a biblical way, as Christ's return marks the end of all human struggles.

Sister/ brother maybe, yet thank you from your view and am elated you have read throughout the whole Bible in your studies. More so, than most even attempt to do

Yes History has repeated itself over and over and over and over again and again and again

God as I see Father and Risen Son for us all to stop harm to anyone else, includes religions here of this world. What? True Ecclesiastical, not Church buildings. read Hebrews 8:1-4 and then read it all and then Chapter 9 Hebrews 9:14-17
However, even those that will not believe God in Son for them, at least better have
Matthew 5:20 going for them to get in. Father is good all the time as good is Father all the time

God in Son came to earth to save us all in his love and mercy for all. Otherwise, why would Son go to that cross without any flesh fight back at all? That happened and is done back at the cross John 19:30 for all to choose to believe God or not period consciously so. Yes there will be many looked at here on this earth as are well and will be told go away, I never knew you, you who work iniquity


The original sin came through Adam and Eve only
Ever after them those born from them are all born with the knowledge of good and evil. No one is first born in sin. Only having the knowledge

See the scriptures when Mary saw Elizabeth her cousin, and the bay leaped in Elizabeth's womb. That was John the Baptist to announce the Messiah, when he saw the Messiah Jesus coming towards him, 'Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world"
Did Jesus do that on that cross or not? Since he did that, might be time to put Faith in that to God Father as for us , not against us.
Religion has turned truth inside out and said we all are born sinners, not True.
Thank you
 
Philosophy is not a Christian pursuit. Paul reasoned with an assortment of philosophers & idolators on Mars Hill with limited success:
Act 17:22-25 KJV - 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

1Co 1:18 KJV - 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
"Philosophy" simply means "love of wisdom". If you study the bible, ponder on the meaning of life and pursue the wisdom within, you pursue wisdom. Those philosophers' fault was not their pursuit of philosophy, but pursuit of idols, including that "unknown God".
 
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"Philosophy" simply means "love of wisdom". If you study the bible, ponder on the meaning of life and pursue the wisdom within, you pursue wisdom. Those philosophers' fault was not their pursuit of philosophy, but pursuit of idols, including that "unknown God".

I have a few verses to clarify my position, but a fret that I think it’s best to exit this thread.

Mat 22:37 KJV - 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Col 2:8 KJV - 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Heb 13:8-9 KJV - 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For [it is] a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Eph 4:14 KJV - 14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
 
I have a few verses to clarify my position, but a fret that I think it’s best to exit this thread.

Mat 22:37 KJV - 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Col 2:8 KJV - 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Heb 13:8-9 KJV - 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For [it is] a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Eph 4:14 KJV - 14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Those "strange doctrines" are the progressive propaganda, the cults and ideologies I listed, whose own understanding of sin and salvation have deviated from scriptural teaching, those are the real wolves in sheep's clothing you should point finger at, don't you think?