Christian Hardcore Punk/Hardcore. Help please.

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Here is the thing. I've been involved in the underground hardcore punk scene most of my life. When I was saved a few months ago I stopped listening to all my records. I had collected records since I was 12 years old and I am now 38. I was saved 4 months ago. I don't miss the lyrical content but I miss the music. I never paid as much attention to lyrics, or so I thought, as the music. I realized when I started listening to Christian music, that I the punk music did have an effect. The lyrics did get in there. I have played in various underground hardcore bands throughout my life. So now what saves me is my guitar and a drum machine. I have the ability to write songs that are Christian songs in the style I like. I can play guitar, bass guitar and drums. I use acoustica beatcraft though and some good acoustic drum samples instead of the ones that come with the program. I write lyrics, I started this before my walk with Christ because most people don't like to write lyrics. What I am finding difficult is music in a Christian form of the hardcore I like. There are two bands that I know of that fit the old school style I grew up on pretty well. Those bands would be officer negative and the crucified first album. I'm talking about the "take up your cross" album by the Crucified. However there is some confusion in both the secular scene and Christian scene as to what Hardcore Punk is. You have the true Hardcore D.I.Y. ethic that has run below the radar forever. No corporate sponsor all "D.I.Y." This is something that is not so important, the politics of punk and it's factions. I just would like to know if there is anything Christian like D.I.Y. punk. To clarify, I'm not talking about the metal hybrid hardcore that came out in the early 90's from the east coast mainly. Even though there were earlier east coast bands that were awesome in sound. Not to focus on that. If anyone can help I would appreciate it. Thank you and God bless.
 
Hmm... well, i didn't grow up as a punk, and most of my real punk/hardcore knowledge is from the Christian scene, though i have some knowledge on the secular. But i've gotten more into punk/hardcore. I'll post what i think may be more of what you're gearing towards..

Some stuff may be old, and hard to get a hold of. And some bands may have more releases than whati have listed. But it's still good, and i can hook you up with old stuff if you want it...

South America has explode with punk and metal, both, in the Christian scene, so not sure if english lyrics matter or not, but i'll post some of them anyways..


Non-English speaking punk:
Abogado Del Pueblo - Retroceder Nunca!
Foco Nocivo - Ciclo Vicioso I / Olhas Para Nao Ver
Jabon Rey - Punks Against The Evil
Protestants HC - Da Noite Pro Dia... / Demo


Some of the German bands have more questionable lyrics do to cultrual differences on language, etc...
Christcore - Dem Kampfe Geweiht / Vorsicht Krötenwanderung!
Jesus Skins - Unser Kreuz braucht keine Haken / Neuer Wein
Praiser - Album 1 / Praiser 2 / Amen
Preacher - Preacher / Mundtot (German band, mostly in English)



Punk:
Anti-Hell Society
Blah - Born Lost And Hopeless
The Blamed - 21 (surf punk)
Blaster The Rocket Boy/Man - The Monster Who Ate Jesus / Succulent Space Food For Teething Vampires (old school punk sound with old horror/sci fi lyrics)
Chasm - Gye Nyame
Crashdog - Humane Society / Mud Angels / Cashists, Facists And Other Fungus / Outer Crust / Pursuit Of Happiness
The Deal - Cut Throat / Who's Pulling Your Strings / Yesterday Today And Forever
The Discarded - I Won't Live A Lie / Image
Domestic Combat - EP
Dragged Out - Complete Discography
Dry Rot - Permission
False Idol - I Refuse / Hymns Of Punk Rock Praise
Fight Before Surrender (FBS) - They Hate You
Flatfoot 56 - Blackthorn / Jungle Of The Midwest Sea / Knuckles Up / Rumble of 56 / Toil / Waves Of War (celtic punk)
Grave Robber - Be Afraid / Inner Sanctum / Exhumed (slight pop/punk feel horror punk)
The Havoc - Our Rebellion Has Just Begun / Road Warrior
Headnoise - 99 And Wanting / Self Titled / No Compromise / Now We Know Part I
Human Error - EP
The Lead - Hardcore For Jesus / Burn This Record / Automoloch / The Past Behind (punk/hardcore/thrash/crossover/whatever)
The Mopic - Underground Sound
Our Corpse Destroyed (OCD) - Avenge Your City / Strength To Strength / Demo
Outer Circle - Self Titled
Pat Nobody - Nobody Special
Public Unrest - Self Titled
The Reckoning - Road Less Traveled
True Liberty - Brotherhood / City Of The One / Marked For Life / This Is War
UniSEF - Ransom
World Against World - Until The Day Breaks And The Shadows Flee Away

Hardcore -
All Consuming Flood - Soldiers Of Armaggedon
Anchor - Shipwrecked Life
Bloody Sunday - They Attack At Dawn
Born Blind - Once For All / Pressing On
Braveheart - Speak To These Bones
Surrender - Breaking The Chains
Ceasefire - The Cycle Of Unbelief / Oppression, Toil And Friendliness / Statement
Creations - Ruined
Dodgin' Bullets - Soundtrack To The End Of The World / World Wide War
Dynasty - Beyond Measure
Edge Of Mortality - World Hate
Eightball Cholos - Satans Whore (features a singer named Burrito and Tracy G of Dio fame on guitar.. its, uhh.. unique)
Everdown - Sicken
Focused - Bow / The Hope That Lies Within
Jesus Wept - Show's Over / Sick City
Messengers - Anthems
No Innocent Victim (NIV) - No Compromise / Strength / To Burn Again
Point Of Recognition - Admiration Of A Son / Day Of Defeat / Refresh Renew
Saving Grace - The King Is Coming / Unbreakable
Seventh Star - Brood Of Vipers / Dead End / Life Blood / The Undisputed Truth
Shockwave - Autohate / Dominicon / The Ultimate Doom / Warpath
Six Feet Deep - The Road Less Traveled / Struggle
Strength Remains - Humanity
Tantrum Of A Muse - The Heart Is A Two Headed Serpent / Modern Mu$ick (kind of weird/experimental, but good stuff)
Thin Ice - Revelation Through Tribulation
Those Who Fear - Unholy Anger (some hear deathcore, others only hear pure hardcore)
Torn In Two - Soli Deo Gloria
Unashamed - Silence / Reflection
With Open Force - Lights Show Me Who I Am
xDeathstarX - The Triumph / We Are The Threat
XdiscipleX - Immolation Of Love / No Blood, No Altar Now
xLooking ForwardX - Ahoy, Crew Members / What This Means To Me

Bands that may have too much metal influence...
Strongarm - Atonement (awesome album, killer vocals) / The Advent Of A Miracle (members of Shai Hulud)
Overcome - When Beauty Dies / Immortal Until Their Work Is Done / The Great Campaign / No Reserves No Retreats No Regrets
Anguish Unsaid - Waiting.. Wanting..
Advent - Naked And Cold
 
I am touched by the extreme effort here. Thank you. It will take me awhile to look into these I'm sure. One of the titles caught my eye, "outer crust." Then I saw that it may be album titles you listed and if so it was Crashdog. This is not to Say anything bad about Crashdog. In fact I may be pleasantly surprised or I may be confusing them for a band I heard a long time ago called "Dogwood" who were very pop like. Otherwise I heard an album many years ago by Crashdog and if I did it had a song from the movie, "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" in the beginning. I have some exposure to some older bands that were more readily available years back. I actually saw the Blamed, The Crucified (way way back when they first started). and I actually went to see MXPX when Pochinatcha first broke. I found myself much in the same position back then. I was struggling to find certain things at a time where I was struggling to walk with God. This time is much different and my concern is not centered on whether or not I will find this sound. I'm actually creating it myself for myself and the lyrical content is scriptural based strictly. I am newly saved and I say this because I never believed like I do now. Therefore I have never felt the Holy Spirit in me guiding me and giving me discernment like I have now. For that reason by God's grace and the spirit, things that mattered before don't matter so much. If they do not exist in a way that is pleasing to God, in my opinion, I don't need them. I am satisfied to make my own. Let me go back to the "Crashdog Outer Crust." I thought, when reading that, it may be that someone converted actually did something Christian in the style know as "crust punk." If so that is really awesome. Lyrical content is important. However language never was before as I was more concerned with the sound than the words. As a result I was into a lot of foreign "D-beat bands" "thrash" "crust" "speedcore" and "hardcore." These bands were often in a language I could not understand with no English translation. Now, I would really want to be able to know what was being spoken out into my household in any language. I realize now that there are no evil notes, just evil messages behind them. Depending on your sensitivity to what is said. An evil message could be blatant or just anything that deviates from the truth and places your focus on things worldly. It's a matter of wanting to stay strictly on the path. I have a healthy fear of not wanting to turn to the right or left but just stay on the straight and narrow. In fact I would rather not turn "myself" at all but submit to God and his will. All that said, I believe in the awesomeness of taking the madness of punk in it's various forms and purifying it's message with the truth. I think it is an awesome form of music with a great energy. I will definitely review what I can find from your list. Some of it I know of but concider to be the more "commercial" metal hybrid. These are terms that would have mattered before but I don't care now, I'll check them out. The closest to anything I say is Hybrid that I like would be Dynasty. In fact I am impressed. They did not penetrate my scene but they did a good job of holding it down on the NYC type. to reference secular for example, the madball, sick of it all, agnostic front tip...and it's progression over the years. My biggest confusion was to see that Roger Miret had done vocals on a song. If he got saved that is truly awesome. When I was 13 I bought a copy of Agnostic Front - Victim in pain original pressing vinyl on combat core records and it was a favorite for me until saved. However, that is coming from the era of 1986 and punk has progressed in it's diversity the underground or D.I.Y. scene going under the radar and evolving the original principles yet taking the attitude of anti corporate to the level of self released and labels with a few d.i.y. bands in which cases the bands who did the albums were not sponsored at all. The bands payed for recording and pressing of their own records or with maybe sponsorship but not at any profit from it, from a small record "label" which was really usually based around a record distro. This is how things worked and compilations were made and tape trades and things are still mainly pressed on vinyl record only to this current day. All this said, I'm not looking to keep any of the ideas of how things should be done from this scene. You don't need D.I.Y. you can do anything through Christ, the glory is His. I would just love to take the style and purify it and if anyone has I would love to check it out. If it is edifying I will play it gladly in my home. Again thank you very much for your passion about the subject and I will research this. I appreciate it greatly. God bless you.
 
With the outer crust/crashdog issue, i think you have them confused with Dogwood. I'm not a big fan of much of anything pop. So was never a Dogwood fan. I didn't listen to the Outer Crust album much by CDog, though. All the others i did.

Some of the Christian hardcore bands like the whole 'guest vocalist' thing, and i've seen a number of times where they have made friends with secular bands/artists and have had them do guest vocals.

For more of a crust punk, look at World Against World. Anti-Hell Society as well.

If anything seems interesting and you can't find anything on it, let me know. I have all that i listed, except for a few.

Ok, I'm zoning out, haha. No problem with the help and feel free to post again, or message me about whatever.
 
Thank you, I'm going to go ahead and try to find some of this by youtube and web search. If I can't get to anything I'll ask you. I'll let you know what I think of what I do hear if you would like. If I can't find anything, I would say maybe we could share some mp3's but...used to be if we were talking secular music, I could hook you up. I have trashed my whole collection though. It was, a bold move maybe? However it wasn't me I can't take the credit for anything good. All glory to God. The only thing I actually have bought is Alters - Conclusions album and Your Memorial - Redirect. Not my preferred style but tolerable and enjoyable. I really liked shipwrecked lyrically when I heard it from Your Memorial. Then I heard Alters song Scum. "I am the scum of the earth. But I am redeemed." There were very many things I liked about it lyrically. And it was strong enough musically. I can' tolerate Metal fine well, some stuff is hard to hear or harder. I have my opinions. My musical tastes have changed a lot over the years. The age of twelve was my discovery of punk rock and after that period it was the dominant music and just got more and more dominant in it's ideas. It's a slow manipulation just like most sin. God works the same way. My pastor preached once saying. "when you get a bottled water or a soda. You don't go to a lab and have it analyzed to know what it is and if it is safe." I will end that there, he said more. What I got was that we blindly trust in something worldly and by people who don't care anything about us really they are more concerned with profit. We just act easily and effortlessly even blindly. Why can't we just submit so easily to the one who cared enough to work His plan to conquer the enemy? It is harder for me to submit myself, because of my nature, than to smoke weed or fight or get tattooed or pierced. Things I now have, things I can't reverse. I didn't realize I was God's temple. Possibly because I never sought the word of God enough. I would say that is it. The word is where God's wisdom is. I don't even know how I got to this point, this was about music. However, Christian music and that is about God. So, I don't really ever get tired of hearing the truth after 37+ years of lies.
 
Just heard crashdog - caustic fallout. From the outer crust album. Wait I need to check the lyrics because I quickly got turned off by the music. This tells you where my natural priorities will go if I don't focus. Correction, way to hasty. The album was Mud Angels. I hit a couple links that took me to lyrics. Went down and saw a streaming radio thing hit it and it said crashdog caustic fallout etc....hear it for a bit. I determined everything I didn't quite like about it musically because I was expecting something crust or even more authentic to what I have heard. My analysis is way too in depth. This is my opinion also and I am fully aware that unfortunately it's mine and for that reason flawed and an opinion. Now I don't know what song it was so I'm going to have to slow down here. Also, I'm going to have to not tell you everything cause I type and text like I talk. So be glad you have the option to just not read this. I will be back and I will try to slim my response down. I'm descriptive about things to a fault.
 
CRASHDOG - VOICE OF DEFIANCE LYRICS Success number one. Crashdog although in this song voice of defiance was not crusty but was old school in a way that was just as new as a lot of current underground. The ideas are pretty clever they stepped out and took punk and reversed it but I agreed with everything. The music I like. Okay, that was me keeping it short. Thank you. God bless.
 
World Against World - Scared silent was the track...first hit I got on youtube. Tried to check out lyrics none posted. Musically the influences were various. I could get used to it though if it is good by the lyrical content. Just like anything else I was into before. So I listened to really really great bands in my opinion in the secular world but I also rocked the not so good ones because of the cause. This applies the same here.
 
Anti Hell Society - Hate me. right off, I thought right up my alley. Then I took a slight turn at the vocals and my first thought was T.S.O.L. or the Vandals. But with a real or fake Brittish accent slightly. Still very good. I really like this one so far.
 
haha, yeah. I am more metal than punk. But i've spread out my interests over the years to include lots of styles. I'm currently going on a more techno kick, but its hard because i don't like the poppy/singy/dancey stuff. I prefer the harder styles, but not much in the way of Christian, and the secular stuff tends to have plenty of bad samples to push me away from that.

Far as your tat's/piercings, my take is not to worry about it. I have two small tats i got, Christian ones. I'd have a couple more, except the cost and that whole 'fear of needles' thing i can't get around. haha. But those things are, what i can tell, part of the subjective aspect of a persons faith. If you are comfortable with them, then they are fine for you. If you feel it's somehow wrong, then avoid them. The bible does mention that this will be the case in some areas. Some people feel the need to pull out of metal, punk, or whatever, fully, after getting saved. Others delve more into it, as in my case. There is no single answer for these things. Just follow your conscience.
 
haha, yeah. I am more metal than punk. But i've spread out my interests over the years to include lots of styles. I'm currently going on a more techno kick, but its hard because i don't like the poppy/singy/dancey stuff. I prefer the harder styles, but not much in the way of Christian, and the secular stuff tends to have plenty of bad samples to push me away from that.

Far as your tat's/piercings, my take is not to worry about it. I have two small tats i got, Christian ones. I'd have a couple more, except the cost and that whole 'fear of needles' thing i can't get around. haha. But those things are, what i can tell, part of the subjective aspect of a persons faith. If you are comfortable with them, then they are fine for you. If you feel it's somehow wrong, then avoid them. The bible does mention that this will be the case in some areas. Some people feel the need to pull out of metal, punk, or whatever, fully, after getting saved. Others delve more into it, as in my case. There is no single answer for these things. Just follow your conscience.
Come here I'll pierce you. lol. I did an apprenticeship when I was young and I still pierce friends and stuff still have all my equipment. I have a friend here who is a Christian and who tattoos. I've been debating about it and I think I'm going to have that old cross and crown of thorns logo from the band Crucified. The cross made of two nails and the crown of thorns. You probably know what I'm talking about. That's another band I saw when I was young. They came from Fresno California and I lived around central Cali for 33 years.
 
OH yeah, i've seen that tat on people countless times. It was huge back in the day. But it's pretty sweet, and i wanted it back then too. haha.
I have two i'd like to get. One is a take on yin/yang. But i hate the traditional yin/yang sign, so i would have an angel and a demon. Kind of a remind of a) the spiritual warfare going on all around us.. b) a symbol of the constant struggle within men of the spirit vs the flesh.
The other is a picture i took out of an old Xian mag when i was a teen. It is done in this really awesome art style. Its a shirtless Jesus in front of a table, there's a chalice on the table, and he's hold his hand over the chalice, and his other hand has a pitcher and he's pouring a liquid out of the pitcher, through the hole in his hand, into the chalice on the table.
Oh yeah, that's right. haha
 
I saw the coolest tat once. This guy had demon...evil looking hands and the artist made it look like the hands were gripped into the flesh of his leg all around the lower leg and where the fingers were sunk in it looked like the flesh was being stretched and pulled. Concept was evil trying to pull him down. It was good though really cool. When I was 17 I had my whole right arm sleeved to look like there were tunnels and stretched skin. My left arm is sleeved partially with punk band logos and I had a guy do a version of the skull and crossbones only it's a gas mask with crossed nukes behind it. Many other tats on my legs and left arm. Nothing I'm proud of. I just thought it looked cool now I have that forever as my sleeve. I wish I would have known then what I know now.
 
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