Birth Pains
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Those are not birth pains
Those are punishment pains.
God's been persecuting the Jews
Ever since they
Made them golden calves
And declared
That those were the gods
That brought them out of Egypt.
So it's nothing new
In fact it's going to get worse
For the Jews
Because they're stiff neck
They have been in rebellion
I don't know what about
Ever since they came into existence?
God is their enemy.
Nothing's never going to change for them
Until they start
Obeying the commandments
Of Jesus Christ
The same with you
And everyone else
Including the Christians
“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?”
Matthew 24:3-8 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
The word "sorrows" is translated from the Greek word ōdín – which means the pain of childbirth (travail) – HELPS Word-studies
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Yes I remember reading this one. @reneweddaybyday
That is what it looks like. And we believe invent of the beast is near too.
And, it might be true there could many beasts, not just one. Many different versions of it.
That is what it looks like. And we believe invent of the beast is near too.
And, it might be true there could many beasts, not just one. Many different versions of it.
1 Thessalonians 5:
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
As we watch the unfolding of prophetic Scripture in our day and time, some folks are filled with anxiety ... others are oblivious to the times and the seasons ... as we see what's going on, our faith in what God has revealed in Scripture grows stronger. God is so faithful.
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Sad to think that it doesn't get better. I just can't imagine what mankind will come up with next.
Been watching world events for quite sometime now. Trying to establish who's who.
Even then you have to distinguish truth from fake.
Been reading old testament prophecy alot lately which is the only truth I trust. Watching Israel very closely.
Been praying for all the saints for boldness and strength.
I told my family and friends when Covid hit it just gets worse from here. I just had a troubled spirt about that.
They said like many did ..."oh this also will pass" ....guess again.
Seeing all the lawlessness, deceitfulness, scandals, breaks my heart. As I'm sure God and many others feel.
I hope Lord Jesus tarries not in his coming, and I pray that all the saints stand ready and are found worthy.
May the Lord give you all peace, strength, boldness, for the times to come.
Been watching world events for quite sometime now. Trying to establish who's who.
Even then you have to distinguish truth from fake.
Been reading old testament prophecy alot lately which is the only truth I trust. Watching Israel very closely.
Been praying for all the saints for boldness and strength.
I told my family and friends when Covid hit it just gets worse from here. I just had a troubled spirt about that.
They said like many did ..."oh this also will pass" ....guess again.
Seeing all the lawlessness, deceitfulness, scandals, breaks my heart. As I'm sure God and many others feel.
I hope Lord Jesus tarries not in his coming, and I pray that all the saints stand ready and are found worthy.
May the Lord give you all peace, strength, boldness, for the times to come.
I've been watching Chuck Missler on this subject. I put a link to a youtube but I suppose mods did not like it. Basically he said that Israel will become the great power in the Middle East. He died in 2018, so he spoke at least 7 years before the present events. He believed, from scripture, that the first events are the attempted destruction of Israel. Israel overcomes and subdues her enemies. You probably know that there is the so-called Abraham accords under discussion. That would bring real peace.
I've often wondered about the final invasion of Israel during the tribulation time. It says that the invaders come to take Israel's riches. The present Muslim attacks are with the intent of destroying Israel completely. It also says that Israel will be undefended, which implies complacency. Israel is well known for letting its guard down - 1973 nearly saw the end of Israel and the Hamas invasion was unchallenged for hours. Persecution will likely increase. According to Derek Prince, a leader in last days theology, Jews should move to Israel. Israel was founded on intense persecution and the current round will no doubt encourage many Jews to resettle in Israel. This will be to the detriment of the nations that drive them out.
I believe also that Israel will take back all the land that what given to Abraham and his descendants. According to Missler, you could buy a 'T' shirt with "Attack us again. We need the real estate". Jews are far from intimidated.
Sometime "soon" (whatever that means) America will cease to be a great power. Certainly America will not intervene to defend Israel in the final attack from the antichrist forces. America to me seems like a hollow tree that is still alive, but rotting from the inside. I know someone who had to cut down a massive tree that encroached on his neighbour's property. It looked perfect on the outside, but was being eaten up by bugs inside.
Satan is coming out in the open. The UK imprisoned a woman for a year and a half for complaining about immigration. Christians are harassed for exercising their rights to preach the gospel. Some have been locked up, only for the courts to dismiss the charges. This is in a supposedly Christian country. Do tell.
The wicked march in the streets. A performer had a crowd shouting "death to the IDF" at Glastonbury. The police are "investigating". Yet Christians are arrested on the spot and imprisoned. The UK is headed towards becoming a Muslim republic. One with nuclear weapons. It's just as well their military is a shadow of what it used to be.
Enough ranting. I could be wrong about all this. I hope I am, as I'm English by birth and I hate to see what's going on there.
The Missler video has been posted. I've been having "server error" messages quite often, so perhaps there was a delay.
The way I see it is that the Bible says God will create a new heaven and the new earth, and the old one will be destroyed. BUT it also says that The earth abideth forever.
I dont think thats a contradiction.
What I believe will happen is this:
"By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. "
This is from 2 Peter 3, in which verse 10 talks about the current earth passing away and new one being created.
Notice where it says: "The world of THAT TIME was deluged and destroyed" yet the earth, the planet itself did not get destroyed by the noah's flood. So what I believe takes place is: The earth WILL abide forever but it will be destroyed by FIRE, in a similar fashion as it was back in the days with WATER.
So it will be "purified by fire" so to speak. Does this make sense?
birth pains will go on until Christ returns but we see them increasing. earthquakes are not only more in number but more intense
Look for persecution of Christians to increase. This Christian village is being terrorized by outsiders who covet their land and want to drive them out so they can steal it.
Example of Christian persecution
Example of Christian persecution
That is one of its meanings, but not the only one. The entry for this word in the concordance of my bible software program says:
5604 odin [o-deen ]
akin to 3601; n f; TDNT-9:667,1353; [{See TDNT 855 }]
AV-sorrow 2, pain 1, travail 1; 4
1) the pain of childbirth, travail pain, birth pangs
2) intolerable anguish, in reference to the dire calamities precede the advent of the Messiah
In Matt 24 Jesus said he must put an end to this great tribulation. because if he did not . no life (flesh) would survive.
imagine a world where an extinction event is possible
Not hard. There is precedent already. If God had not spared Noah, the only life on earth would be fish and maybe birds and bugs.
I believe one reason for an invasion that destroys a country by God's judgement, is because the other countries see what the judged country is doing. For example, Iran, Iran was attacked because of it's attempt at nuking the world. Israel was attacked many times and destroyed many times, because when the other countries who saw what Israel was doing, destroyed it. And it's was true with those other counties who where wicked and evil, they became afraid of Israel and attacked it.
The same thing happens today, like with Iran. Remember the War called Desert storm? The country tried to wipe out the entire earth with that gas.
This is interesting. I just remember a verse, 'The meek shall inherit the earth.'