An atheist's poem

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Are what feels like inspired thoughts, illusions of revelation?
does the new thinker deserve an audience, or decapitation?
is to question modernity wrong, when the current picture is assured right?
is it crazy to believe there's logic to the unseen, when the unseen is out of sight?
I must ask others, I must find more on the same plight.
to reject dogma, to question authority, can be such a delight!
I cant imagine any other way, for creative insight.
I want to be a thinker of outside the box.
I want to see the hidden motion, in still rocks.
If open minds brought awe and not shocks,
we could open the door to discovery, for we know he knocks.
Everything learnable is out there to be learned,
all discoveries are ready to be earned.
If stubborn minds are prepared to be turned,
we can change our path! change the world, change our fate!
Why listen to science's heretics, claiming we are at hells gate.
The future is broad, and filled with possibility!
Lets open our minds and walk forward... without the hostility.
 
Rejecting dogma for the sake of rejecting dogma can become dogmatic.
 
Haha I like that :P But I don't reject dogma 'for the sake of rejecting dogma', but for the sake of avoiding holding beliefs that aren't supported by evidence :)
 
Hi HappyLuke, Just as Jesus told doubting Thomas ,“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” – John 20:26-29... This poem you put up there really blows the prison doors of my understanding! This is awesome .....
 
Haha I like that :P But I don't reject dogma 'for the sake of rejecting dogma', but for the sake of avoiding holding beliefs that aren't supported by evidence :)
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Even an atheist can't rely on his senses to confirm everything. You do hold some unprovable axioms to be true, I think. You have faith in mundane things, like science, yeah?
 
Theophane said:
Even an atheist can't rely on his senses to confirm everything. You do hold some unprovable axioms to be true, I think. You have faith in mundane things, like science, yeah?
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I think we must have different definitions of faith, because I don't trust science any more than it's been demonstrated to work by evidence. It doesn't take faith to believe science works, it's observably effective :) In fact, I'd define science as 'all methods of investigation that have been demonstrated to work'. If you can show that anything other than science can reveal truth, then it gets promoted to science, to a scientifically valid method of investigation :)
 
p.s. to add to my definition of science, *to within an observable margin of error*, methods of investigation don't have to give infinitely precise results to count as science. Just better than random odds really, then you know your method of investigation is somewhat effective and can start refining it- and I'd call it all 'science' from the beginning, before the method and it's results are refined and you can make confident conclusions
 
The point is, it's only rational to believe something once you have reasons to think it's true. I mean, what does it even mean to say you believe something if you don't think there are reasons to think it's true? ;) That's my axiom, and I don't think it's assumed, I think the necessity of evidence for reaching true beliefs at a higher rate than random chance is demonstrated by every scientific experiment and prediction that's ever been done :) I'd be open to the concept of believing things on faith if you could demonstrate (with evidence! lol) faith an effective tool for reaching true conclusions. Lol it kind of kills the whole concept of faith for me to admit to myself that I care if my beliefs are true. That makes me care if they are justified by evidence
 
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Theophane said:
Even an atheist can't rely on his senses to confirm everything. You do hold some unprovable axioms to be true, I think. You have faith in mundane things, like science, yeah?
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Oops my bad! You were anti-faith, not pro-faith. You suggested I have faith in science to try to throw the usefulness of science and necessity of evidence for belief into question... right? Or was it more like a, 'faith is reliable, that's what you use in science' angle?
 
Wow, no free verse for once, cool someone took an effort to make his poem rhyme. If you want to write a good old fashioned poem like that, you might wanna consider using metre too, that makes it even better. Interesting message btw... :)
 
I'm sure you know this .. but I'm going to say it anyway ..
it really doesn't matter if we claim
Him .. That's our choice
.. The important part no body can do anything about is , God claims all of us regardless if we claim Him.. what we do is on us .. Its pretty null and void ..
It's one thing to be in control of who comes into our life, who we love , who we are friends with,balh blah ..
but there's really" nothing" anyone can do , about someone loving you , who doesn't care if you love them back, doesn't care if you reject them.. what God does and is doing is really based on us anyway ..
, No one really has a choice in the Matter of His existence, He doesn't need our approval to to exist :) he doesn't need our approval to provide for us, He doesn't need our approval to love us ..He just does .. :)
 
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