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Okay. So the issue is the reading of scripture. Why are you not going by the spirit? You can develop that skill, you know. Come and stay in the KJV. It is a great text. If I could bless you with that ability, I would do just that. But I do not have that power. To bestow a skill set that I myself...

So, you are saying that Rev. 7:4-8 refers to individuals who are not worldly. Okay. And, those individuals are spiritually inclined. However, that does not mean that the text is not physical. Nor does it mean that the individuals are not physical. They are real people like you and I, as stated...

Okay. The natural man, the animal, can not discern the things of Jesus Christ. Because the natural man does not care about anything but those things that satisifys his desires. The desires of the flesh, like food, sex, etc. Whereas the man following after God's own heart seeks after the things...

That is so funny. ChristRoseFromTheDead, you are better than this kind of stuff. Return to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 1) The 144,000 are 144,000 servants of God. 2) The tribes that make up the 144,000 are twelve tribes in Israel. 3) There are no mistakes in the wording of the text (Rev. 7:4-8).

It appears that you hold the opinion that Israel is dead and gone. Or perhaps you believe that Judah and Israel are the same thing? Judah is one tribe, and Ben mixed with it. The other ten were the northern kingdom, Israel. So context is important. 1) Israel represents the twelve and/or the...

It appears that Manassas was the thirteenth tribe. Because, as has been shown, Levi never lost his status as a member of the twelve. Even though he was pulled aside to function in the priest's capacity for the whole of Israel.

Okay, I see where you are coming from. You are saying that Levi was not one of the twelve from the time of Moses to Christ. Because, during that time Manassas filled in Levi's position with the twelve. Prior to Moses and after Christ Levi was in the group of twelve tribes.

Yes, Levi was fulfilling this role. But in Rev. 7:4-8 Levi has been returned to the group, and Dan has been taken unto God to fulfill a last days role. This is a truth as well.

Just because Joseph was given his own standing, as well as a second placement in Manassas, does not mean Levi is no longer one of the twelve when he is called to serve. When his service is over, his standing is still with the twelve, and Manasses returns to Joseph, if you want to look at it that...

That is funny. And I like it. But it does not prove a pre-trib rapture.

Yes, when the sons of Joseph were added to Jacob's linage, there were thirteen sons and thereby thirteen tribes. And then later Levi was taken to be priests for the whole of Israel. But when Levi is no longer needed as the priest for Israel, then it is returned to the group of thirteen. And when...

The waters came down lifting Noah's ark from off the dry ground. That water was not previously there. Therefore, the ark was lifted by water that was not previously on the earth, from the earth.

ChristRoseFromTheDead, you are almost there buddy. ewq1938 has you checkmated.

The event follows the type of Noah, where he and his family were taken off the earth in the Ark. Likewise, the saints of God are taken into the sky in the city of New Jerusalem. The purpose of the city is to house the saints. Thus, the saints wait in the city of New Jerusalem while the earth is...

But what if I do know what I am talking about? A wise person would consider the possibility. And I do not think you are unwise.

It is quite obvious that Joseph's son Mannassah was given as a tribe to fill in for Levi, as Levi served as priests for the whole. Having satisfied that obligation, Levi returns to the group of twelve, and Dan becomes the tribe to serve (Rev. 7:4-8). Perfectly reasonable. Come on, get with the...

Okay. I do not see the problem. Levi was a tribe in Israel. So Levi listed in Rev. 7:4-8 is a good thing, right?

Okay. Very good. We have a foundation to agree on. That your interpretation and my interpretation are on equal footing. Since you do not believe the sealing of the 144,000 is the marriage, and you see it as an anointing. That is good news to me. There is hope for you after all. And as I shared...

So with regard to Paul being from Israel and more specifically the tribe of Benjamin, you take that as literal. And with regard to Rev. 7:4-8 you regard that as spiritual. And that in your opinion is correct interpretation. How about Paul being from Benjamin, a tribe in Israel, literally. And...