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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    You alluded to Romans 8:1 so let me answer that. The verse says: 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.… We as believers IN CHRIST are not under the condemnation...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    You alluded to Romans 8:1 so let me answer that. The verse says: 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.… We as believers IN CHRIST are not under the condemnation...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    In his popular textbook "Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics" Greek professor, Daniel Wallace, wrote that "believes" was conjugated as a PRESENT TENSE PARTICIPLE in John 3:16 because in the writings of John particularly FAITH indicates something ONGOING and PRESENT TENSE or "believe and keep...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    If you do not study the text (which is made up of "WORDS") how do you study it at all? I thought we were supposed to rightly divide the word using the context and the original historical grammar. I think the "IFs" in the Bible are very important since most of the Bible consists of promises...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    Besides what I said before. The entire verse that says everyone who believes in Him should not perish is a PRESENT TENSE PARTICIPLE of the Greek word BELIEVE. The fact that it is in the PRESENT TENSE indicates that the verse was not talking about a SINGLE PAST decision to believe but an ONGOING...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    I believe when the Bible, Jesus or the Apostles present salvation using the conditional conjunction IF they mean it to be taken literally. Saying we believe it because we are lazy students of the word or because we have "left our first love" is just an ad hominem accusation. In fact, the belief...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    We ALL will fall away and depart from Christ. We do it every single time we grieve or quench the Spirit. "Falling away from the faith" is not about committing specific sins. Falling away refers to the act of abandoning or renouncing one's FAITH in Jesus Christ after having once professed it...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    When believers become detached from the Vine it is because they have have CEASED TO ABIDE in Him. He said: 4 Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me. (John 15:3-4)...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    Saying that no TRUE Christian ever departs from CHRIST and the FAITH is an example of the "NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY." and is just more circular reasoning. The fact that an abundance of scriptures warns their believers NOT to fall away shows that it is possible. Also that was the view of the...
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    Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

    1. Do you think if there was any chance of those who go to the l.o.f. would at some point repent and believe, the Lord would banish them there forever? So you think turning men's heart to the Father can be accomplished by merely inflicting pain on them? When my father inflicted sadistic...
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    Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

    There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains...
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    Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

    I just got here yesterday so I can hardly help it if you have grown tired of discussing the subject previous to that. It appears that you are planning on getting me censored if I do not desist in raising such questions even though I have never said anything offensive to you personally. This...
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    Faith without repentance is Dead !

    You need to read Romans 11 more carefully. If you do, you will see that the Apostle does not have in mind the status of NT believers. Romans 11:28-29 says, "…28 Regarding the gospel, they [the Jews that did not believe] are ENEMIES on your account; but regarding ELECTION, they are loved on...
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    Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

    I wonder if Balaam's donkey had that deep sonorous voice
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    Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

    In the Early (Ante-Nicene) Church, free-will was considered the ABILITY to make choices independent of external coercion by such mechanisms as fate or instinct. This was the way the Ante-Nicene teachers and apologists expressed it. For instance, Irenaeus of Lyons, (120-202 AD) who was the...
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    Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

    Of course, of course...