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It's only "|there and all through Scripture" for practitioners of eisegesis -- which I don't do because that is forbidden in scripture.

So, you don't like it when I do fair and balance and appeal to the WHOLE COUNSEL of God so that we can have a more accurate and true understanding of the nature of God's love? That doesn't speak very well to your spiritual condition, nor is your attitude God-honoring since ALL scripture is...

I don't see anything in your "proof texts" that speaks to God predestining his purposes. The foretelling aspect to prophecy has to do with God's eternal decrees of events which, of course, are fulfilled in space and time.

I don't recall reading anything that speaks to WHAT God predestines -- only WHOM he predestined before the beginning of time. Expand my knowledge base, please, with chapter and verse.

To the best of my knowledge there is no scripture that teaches that God predestined any of his purposes. He predestines PEOPLE, not purposes. Secondly, I take it that you believe that all true saints of God are saved by Him as a result of their faith and repentance, correct? God does not...

Correct. How could God love everyone on the planet with his covenant of love when the vast majority of its people God never knew covenantally (in the filial sense) and will be condemned (Mat 7:23)? Did God cut a redemptive covenant that I'm unaware of with all mankind in the distributive...

In other words, we're all supposed to be content with half truths! When you say "It is better to understand... what you really mean is that it's better to tickle our own ears with scriptures that give us warm, gushy, fuzzy feelings about God and our ourselves. Yet, Paul said that he taught...

You still haven't answered Roger's question. Saving Faith does NOT come by star-gazing or contemplating this natural, temporal order. Nor is man's conscience any kind of infallible or trustworthy guide, since this is one of the faculties of the heart that is corrupted and can often become...

Fat chance you have in getting a straight answer from any FWer. I've asked this very question a few times and either received no responses or received word salad replies.

Quote me chapter and verse that says that God foresaw sinners' repentance and faith and as a REACTION or RESPONSE to that acquired knowledge by an omniscient God, God ratified sinners' election of him first by electing them in return. I have no idea what you just said about Satan. God will...

It's all about the kind of love. Let's take a hypothetical: Your wife and another woman (someone you don't know) are being held hostage, and the perps tell you that they'll spare the woman of your choice if you lay down your life for her. Which of the two women would you choose? I'm...

Well then...you can do something God apparently cannot do. Did the Father love Jesus based on motivation that came strictly from within Himself? And you ducked my question about marriage. Do you love all women the same way you love your wife? And you're missing the real issue here: The...

Hah...but did God predestinate his elect in eternity or in temporal reality? Election doesn't take place in space and time. It occurs before the beginning of time. Of course, we were all proud, card-carrying vile sinners here on earth prior to hearing the Gospel. Did Jesus come to save the...

Of course it does! Are you going to tell us that you love some child that you never met, never knew who lives 10,000 miles away from you in the same exact way that you love your own child? You might tell us that, but I would never believe that. Why? Because you have an actual relationship...

And you love each and every single person in the world that you don't know or ever will know in the same exact way that you love your own? What about the overtly wicked enemies of God? Do you have the attitude of David? Or do you think David was way behind the times and he never caught up to...

But would you love them in the filial sense if they weren't yours? You love them because they BELONG to you; just as God loves his elect because they belong to him -- and they belong to him because he sovereignly brought them into a covenant relationship with himself. As far as us loving our...

Yeah...and IF "IFS and BUTS were candy and nuts, everyday would Christmas, too. I take Jn 3:17 at face value and understand it to be that God sent Jesus into the World to save the Gentiles nations, which is precisely what God promised his Faithful Servant he would do on his behalf, i.e. make...

What is "a lot of work": looking up the seven passages I cited re the covenant of love?

No, it isn't. You love YOUR children (as opposed to all the other children of the world) because they are YOURS. You love your children because they are a PART of you.

Yeah, Jn 3:16-17 is very clear and plain. If God loves each and every person in the world (even those He NEVER KNEW) :rolleyes: , then to be consistent you have to say that v. 17 is saying that God sent his Son into the world to save all men w/o exception. Also, you obviously make no...