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Oh but it does! Since FWer's deny the efficacy of God's grace/power, then the question that is begging to be answered is: what is the ultimate efficacious cause of a sinner's decision, if not his own volition, especially since God doesn't actually save anyone but only provides opportunities for...

From the very beginning, wasn't faith always required by God? Wasn't that A&E's duty?

As I do, as well. BUT...the crowd that I used to run, hang and party down with prior to God calling me into his kingdom petty much walked out of my life or vice versa in some cases. I was a true blue narcissistic hedonist when the Lord got a hold of me.

So God loves each and every sinner, heh? Delusional much? Meanwhile, read and weep. Lev 26:30; Deut 25:15; Job 21:22; Ps 5:5-6; 11:5; 15:1-5; 73:18-20; 95:10-11; 106:40; 107:40; Prov 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20; 2Chron 19:2; Isa 66:24; Jer 12:8; 16:5; Lam 2:6-7; Hos 9:15; Nah 1:14; Mal 1:2-3; Dan...

Which according to the Parable of the Four Soils, that would not be possible except in a good heart. But maybe she was born with such a heart. Never know with these FWers....

Did you have a point to make re this passage? I ask because I believe what it says.

Thanks for sharing that testimony. And your experience with your old, unsaved friends is very typical. Many Christians have shared similar experiences that involved unsaved family, friends and acquaintances, and it's actually taught in the bible. There's a reason why those of this dark world...

A very misguided soul here (whose handle I don't remember) earlier posted that election refers to God choosing Christ. He magically turned "us" in Eph 1:4 into Christ, completely oblivious to this following passage which I'll quote in several literal translations. 1 Thess 1:4 4 knowing...

Do you see the two concepts as being mutually exclusive to each other?

Their posts are usually out of context and/or they use the interpretive method of eisegesis to try to make their case.

FTFY!

Which would make man's will the effective cause of his own salvation. Man can just walk out of prison any time he desires. Paul got 1Cor 1:30 all wrong, didn't he!? That text should read, "By you're freewill choice you are in Christ Jesus". :rolleyes:

Now you've done did it! To FWers' this passage means that the sons of men are but mere puppets on God's strings. But I, for one, LOVE my perfect, good, holy, righteous, gracious, merciful, compassionate and loving "Puppet Master". With Him controlling my life, I have every confidence of where...

It was more than just "a covenant" since that covenant is still in force today and is being fulfilled under the New Covenant. Conversely, the Mosaic Covenant is ancient history.

Maybe WE'RE not getting it. Maybe we missed some commandment about socks and the days to wear them, what color...or not even any at all. :D

So, I suppose no Christian should ever beseech the Lord for spiritual strength, right? Christians would wind up like Pharaoh, right?

The bible says differently! God is in total control of his plan in redemptive history. Dan 2:20-21 20 and said: "Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever; wisdom and power are his. 21 He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and...

FTFY!

Nonsense. I provided the chronological order of the narrative in which God first hardened the king's heart after God predicted in Ex 3 that the king would not let the people go unless a MIGHTY HAND COMPELLED him. (And that "mighty hand" was not Pharaoh's will!) Therefore, Pharaoh "cooperated"...

More doublespeak! Then how come all men aren't saved in the distributive sense, since Isa 55 tells us that the word that goes forth from God's mouth will not return to him void but WILL achieve the purpose for which he sent it? Or was God's purpose to save and not save? But how can that be...