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Your are rather disingenuous in your comments. If you claim to have been given the ability to speak in a language by supernatural means then you have supernatural abilities. You sound like a slick salesperson trying to hide their true self.

I believe that TrustandObey simply used the Mormons as an example of using "Jesus as Lord" as a farce. Now that I answered your question what was your reason for bringing the phrase up? I am not your enemy on this issue. I also believe that the simple use of the phrase does not mean that it...

Jesus does not even address their claims of miracles. The verses Matthew 7:22-23 are about bogus miracles such as performed by the Pentecostals not real miracles as in the New Testament.

I agree with you on this one. Proclaiming that Jesus is Lord holds no weight. But what was the purpose of you bringing it up in the first place? I too don't trust the phrase because no one knows their own heart much less the heart of another.

So to be clear, you believe that tongues are not controllable by the one speaking in tongues? Is this your assertion? Are there any verses that state a person can control the gift of tongues?

The disconnect is you not reading the comment. I clearly stated "claims of salvation" not salvation. The rest is but a waste of time.

There is so many things wrong with your reply, I will have to break it down in order to respond. 1. "Then you cannot be saved." I must witness a physical supernatural manifestation in order to be saved??? Is this what you meant? 2. "Salvation is a supernatural encounter. Have you experienced...

churchofjesuschrist.org Becoming a Disciple of Our Lord Jesus Christ By Elder Robert D. Hales Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles I have met many Mormons who confess "Jesus is Lord". They actually use this phrase as proof of the validity of their message. 1st Corinthians 12:3 is a general...

No one can claim that what they today are labeling as "speaking in tongues" is anything like what the New Testament presents. The foundation of the Pentecostal movement is based on pure speculation.

Because we live in a blessed age of faith without sight not an age of the miraculous. John 20:29 Those who seek the physical supernatural manifestations in order to believe are not blessed. Those of us who believe without ever encountering the supernatural are blessed.

One does not need to be a veterinarian to know a cat from a dog. Nor is there a need to "document" current events. If Pentecostalism were true there would be no need for documentation or a scriptural defense.

I believe my comment was cogent. I would enjoy reading your rebuttal.

And if someone claimed that Jesus enabled him to have moved Mt. Hood to Iowa last week would you believe him? I await your response.

I agree with you that the subject matter is irrelevant but the reasoning seems to be spot on. People who make these bigfoot claims are just as bound to the need for evidence as those who claim supernatural gifts. Absence of evidence for claims of ongoing current events does not simply cast doubt...

That is like saying why would you not want to move mountains if Jesus enables you.

Quoting scripture does not prove the validity of claimed current events. Are you aware of this?

He knows it's a mischaracterization. He does not care.

:confused: Are you serious, please tell me you are not serious. You believe the claims of the Pentecostal movement have been substantiated? When do you think this happened? Are the roofs of the Pentecostal churches being pulled off?:LOL: Do you go to the Pentecostal church for healing or...

Believing that something is from scripture does not validate the event. i.e. the beliefs of cults.

I will reply in the manner that most of your responses are akin to. I never stated that I or anyone else knew what tongues in the New Testament sounded like.