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Yep - all have a choice - and except for the grace of God, we still choose to reject Him. Nothing about the natural state of man apart from God has changed after the cross. Just as they would not choose Him before the cross, they will not choose Him now, except that God first calls them to life...

Wonderful grace of Jesus. Isn't it glorious to think of our eternal home in the presence of our King? Oh, to see King Jesus!

If it were left up to us to choose God, we'd all go to hell. Apart from unconditional election and irresistible grace, we'd have no hope. If grace could be resisted - we'd resist it. Romans 3:10 -18 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God...

Just realized that the Trinity might have been a better example to use than the rapture in my response to Chester. Modalism denies the trinity, and instead says that God is one person who takes on three different roles. So, that when He's the Father, there is no Son, or Holy Spirit, at that...

If you're modalist. If you're a trinitarian (which I think you are?), then your statement there is false. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father, etc. But they are God. One God, three persons, distinct from one another.

It's quite amazing how quickly the conversation moves without me! (And that's okay - just the nature of these public forums.) I welcome the deep discussions, and I look forward to them. I believe when done in a spirit of love and understanding (not that we have to agree in the end), they can...

Exactly my point. We need an "Amen" reaction button.

To show that this praise is born out of my understanding of salvation through a Calvinistic approach. To show that the truths of Calvinism, of TULIP (which isn't all that Calvinism is about, but only part), is not dark - as you say. Jesus said, "Judge Me by the works you see me do," to those who...

I wonder if we could start a Calvinists thread - not for argument sake - but for edification. Maybe we could then start another thread for debates - as I know people members will want to debate these truths, and I want to keep that dialogue open and honest for them, too. Just thoughts.

Amen, and amen. This is all my faith - all my Calvinism. Glory. I only wish I could articulate it well enough to show the beauty of what we see here. I feel totally inept to do so. But, these are truths that the Holy Spirit must place within our hearts, I think. How beautiful our God is. And...

Glorious and humbling. Who am I that I should be chosen? I am but dust. Praise be to God, glory! This is all my hope - not that I should choose Him, but that He chose me. I love Him but He loved me first - even when I was still an enemy of God, lost in my sins... totally incapable of choosing...

I think I'll bow out of this thread, and possibly ChristianChat altogether. It's clear that most here hold that Calvinism isn't a viable Christian option, but is, as it was said in a previous post by a respected member here, akin to Mormonism and the likes. It's clear that the exchange isn't on...

Good question! We do not keep ourselves saved, no. That is a work of the Holy Spirit - who keeps us sealed until the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). I think a better analogy would be if fire is present, there will be heat. If there's no heat, it's because there's no fire. If there's no...

I also add my amen - and submit the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints as my framework for doing so. We do not persevere because it is us working to - but Him working in us to keep us, so that no matter how much we may sin, we may never truly fall away - but must in the end persevere, if...

First, let me say, you seem very zealous for the truth, and I appreciate that about you. You began this thread over 7,300 posts ago, and you're still very active. Without flattery, I really commend you for that. I hope we can get to know each other more here in CC. I'm not surprised that you...

I submit 1 John 2:4-6 for your consideration, and really the whole book of 1 John centers on how we can know we are Christians: "And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth...

I can assure you this is my first day on the forums. I've never even heard of Christian Chat prior. I'm sure the admins can check the IP address my account is responding from and compare it with previously banned or active accounts if they need to confirm. I don't doubt that you are a Bible...

Haha - just seeing how my response is not in line with where the discussion is at, at this point. I reckon if I'm going to inject myself in the party, I should say that I'm an evangelistic, missions loving, 5 point calvinist. Does that make me relevant to the discussion, where it's at, at this...

Amen. We do not the works of righteousness in order that they should save us, but the works of righteousness are the natural fruit from the one who has been saved. How can it be that we should have the triune God indwelling us and see no evidence of His presence in our lives? It's not only...

Thank you, Tourist and Isny! I plan to go into pastoral ministry or teach in a Bible college setting. Still waiting on the definite leading of the Lord, for which one specifically. But my calling to ministry came to me when I was 14 years old. I suspect pastoral ministry is most likely.