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Yes, works come from faith. Abraham believed God's promise that through Isaac the "Seed" would come. As a result of that, when God told him to offer Issac as a burnt offering, he was willing to go through with it because he looked back at that promise and concluded that God was going to raise...

I am glad to see that you do not believe we are saved by works, but rather we are saved unto good works. But I till do not understand the "or else" part of your argument. Is salvation lost when the things that are required of a person who has been saved are not fulfilled (i.e., when he does not...

It seems as though you are trying to distance yourself from salvation by works. That's a good thing because it is not possible for a person to be saved because of his works of righteousness... "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us" (Tt 3:5)...

The meaning of the double-negative (highlighted) is more straightforward when it is replaced with a single positive. You are saying that "the Bible speaks in favor of us being required to do works and do them for the right reasons". Since this discussion is about salvation, I presume you mean...

This message is self-contradictory. Your first statement says that obedience to the law is not an entrance into heaven even if it is perfect obedience (which is consistent with your rejection of the Scriptures which tell us that the law demands perfect compliance and the Scriptures that tell us...

This reminds me of something someone told me on onother forum. He said something on the order of, "You don't have to be perfect, you just have to be good enough". Well, good enough won't cut it. That's why we're totally (not partially) dependent on Christ's sacrifice for our sins being...

Dealing with him is certainly a challenge. But at least now he has admitted that obeying the law is not enough on its own to get people into heaven and that repentance is required to bridge the gaps. Now, if we can just get him to see that forgiveness (not repentance) is what bridges the gap...

I'm not acting like that. It seems like we are on the same page now that you have clarified that being a doer of the law of Moses means we want ot obey God, but we don't always do it, and we repent when He corrects us when we go astray. It does seem like there continues to be unreconciled...

This is what you said before: Paul affirmed that only the doers of the Law of Moses will be declared righteous, We become... someone who is a doer of the Law of Moses, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, Those who kept faith in Jesus...

Yes, you are right regarding the law fulfilling its role to bring about wrath and to avoid its wrath one must obey it without fail. The Galatians passage nails this without any wiggle room. One of the more interesting words in Galatians 3:11 is "evident". It is easy and effortless for a person...

Please reconcile your admission above that you are not always a doer of the law of Moses with your doctrines below which appear to be dependent on faithfull obedience to the law of Moses... This is why the faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works also upholds the Law of God...

The thing that gets me is that when pressed, almost all people admit they are not sinlessly perfect. But when they admit this, they provide no explanation of how their law-facing point of view survives their admission of guilt. If forgiveness is needed to bridge the gap between sinless...

Most law-facing people I run into do not acknowledge they are law-breakers and do not express an appreciation for our need for forgiveness. I think it is because the need for forgiveness conflicts with the idea that rightness with God is through obeying the law.

I didn't deny it. I explained it. 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather...

It is not true that the law gives us "knowledge of what sin is". Eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil did that. On the contrary, the law teaches those who read it that God sees their sins, does not like it, has declared them guilty, and has condemned them to eternal death...

It is interesting to me that they would actually put these things in writing. I have certainly seen people describe salvation as being a cooperative effort between God and man, and saying so implies that man merits his own salvation, but I have never ran into anyone who says plainly their good...

I guess I don't see your premise correctly. Are you saying that every person is made temporarily alive so that it would be fair for God to judge them on their yes or no decision to trust in Christ because fairness could not occur in the fallen state because only a negative decision is possible?

This question hangs on the premise that lost people do not have any ability whatsoever to place their trust in Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. If we could establish the veracity of the premise, the conclusion would be a foregone conclusion.

It will certainly be a game changer when we shed this skin of flesh and see Him as He is.

Why waffle on "complete assurance"? Every time we sin, God brings us to repentance through His correction. And restoration always comes at the expense of Christ. It is not as if He suffers again when we sin because He paid the price for all sins with His one sacrifice. But decades of...