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Nope. You're conflating what is eternal with what is temporal (Time). God's will, plan, purposes are not dependent on any part of his creation. Eternity trumps temporal reality. Plus, you still have God learning...acquiring knowledge like any mere mortal. God's will is not contingent on any...

There's no such thing as "fleshly" choices?

His answer still has all your sleep of death :sleep: beat. :coffee:

And from whence comes this love?

I've kept our exchange perfectly straight. Jesus prayed for for two groups of disciples, according to Jn 17:20. It was you, more recently in 33,298, who said that He prayed only for the 11. :rolleyes: It is you who can't keep the discussion straight!

Another satanic lie. God is ultimately the one who, through the Spirit, gives his people wisdom, knowledge and understanding in the Word of God itself. No extrabiblical lectures necessary.

You just contradicted yourself. Since God must peer into the future to learn the choices and acts of men, then He cannot be omnisicient, since He must acquire knowledge in temporal reality as any of us mere mortals do. Genuine Omnisicience requires that God knows all things instantaneously...

Well, my doctrine knows that Cain belonged to the devil, just as most of the Pharisees did, so there's no way Cain was saved. Since you hope or want to see Cain so badly, heaven would not be the place for you to do that.

But there's no limits to the choices sinners can make since they are not limited by their evil character or sinful nature.

Your non sequitur response explains much about you. Since you won't give a straight, honest answer, it appears your parents raised you to be a rebellious, autonomous brat. Good thing they never did impose their will upon you. You very likely would have considered them to be tyrannical...

Quit pontificating already! Just answer my question. Did your parents raise you to do whatsoever you wanted to do whenever and wherever you wanted to? Or did they ever impose their will upon you? Your definition of "freewill" is that fallen, corrupt, depraved, vile, wicked, evil mankind can...

AMEN to that, Jordon!

He's a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black!

How many verses does it take to make a teaching dogmatic?

Hey Einstein, Did Noah have the fear of the Lord in his heart?

And your sacred, sacrosanct "freewill" has never been overridden by anyone in authority over you? Did your parents raise you to do whatsoever you willed to do? Your parents never imposed their will upon you? They never corrected you? Rebuked you? Disciplined you?

So, why did you write what you did in 33,298!? I was not responding to what you wrote in 32, 858! Are you now denying that you wrote what you did in 33,298? And again, what part of Jn 17:20-21 can you not understand!? John 17:20-21 20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those...

Another bald-faced lie by a FWer! How can you say that any Reformed believer leaves Christ out of salvation when it the Reformed who teach and preach the efficacy of Christ's atonement for his sheep?

But Peter BELONGED to God; Cain did not! The devil owned him lock, stock and barrel.

Really? Then how come Jesus told some people he encountered to go and sin no more!?