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  1. Clayman

    Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

    Im not trying to be facetious, Im trying to work out from where your coming from before I can agree or disagree, Im wanting to know if you have the bowl judgments following the the 7th trumpet or if they run simultaneous? some people have the bowl judgments in the seventh trumpet and end up...
  2. Clayman

    Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

    I'm used to reading the bible with things not in chronological order, so I didn't really take stock of the fact, To me He's answering the disciples question about when and what will be the signs of His coming at the end of the age, So He answers that first, then He adds another element, the...
  3. Clayman

    Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

    Haha, I dont understand why there would be more encounters! once pretrib is explained people will see it, then understand and there will no longer be any debate!:devilish: A question! do you and do other post-tribbers see the seventh trump of revelation as the last trump for the rapture? I...
  4. Clayman

    Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

    Thanks for posting, it is a great picture :D I also like reminding people, when Abraham sent his servant to fetch the bride for his son, In contrast to the end of the age, he said that Isaac was not to go to her land to fetch her himself, Although He did go out to meet her when she was already...
  5. Clayman

    Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

    Exactly the same conclusion I arrived at ;):)
  6. Clayman

    Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

    Sorry when I reread it, it does come of as condescending Then explain the contradiction to me, how do I know the hour the Lord will return, which is after the 70th week, to how I do not the hour the Lord is coming? (to catch some away and not others)
  7. Clayman

    Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

    Why does not God speak plainly it would clear up so much confusion? Why did Jesus not explain plainly that He was in fact God? Why did He not say simply and straight up "I God have come in the form of a human to die as a sacrifice on the cross to redeem you all my friends"? Everyone including...
  8. Clayman

    Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

    Mainstream thinking in the last few decades has seen a slight shift to attributing sin from man to Satan, the idea of a perfect God allowing humans to choose a condition that eternally separates from Himself seems like its theological anathema to some, for how can a loving God allow any of this...
  9. Clayman

    Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

    I wonder if its worth asking, How does God blind the minds of them that believe not? To me its quite simple He sent the light into the world! And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children...
  10. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    Ok thanks (y), Im at work will try and watch later... Obviously they still reject Jesus so are not believers of God in the true sense. Abraham, Moses and all those of faith if they lived at the time of Jesus or even now would have believed in and accepted Jesus and become followers of the Way...
  11. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    So what was the true religion of Israel That the Hebrews departed from in Zech?
  12. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    Its a terrible term to use its been stolen and hijacked, bit like someone explained to me once we are part of the catholic Church, but its also been stolen by the Catholic religion which is how people see it. Does Zech 5:5-11 still have future fulfillment? The prophesied departure from the...
  13. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    I see true Judaism as the Old testament covenant and law given by God to His people, Jesus is a Judaist in the fullest sense, and you and I are the results of Judaism that fully reveals Gods grace and mercy through the redemption of His Son. You talked about the false Judaistic teachers in...
  14. Clayman

    Who Killed Jesus?

    :unsure: Thanks, If only I could get my wife to take a leaf out of your book :LOL:
  15. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    Awesome, thanks, I like seeing where people come from and agree it could lead into areas of challenging each other... Dont take this the wrong way but when I read what you write, or read between the lines I see a chip on your shoulder against Judaism. I mean I know they are rejecting my Lord and...
  16. Clayman

    Who Killed Jesus?

    lol :eek: What are the options it comes it with when you ask for words that mean "making false parallels"?
  17. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    If you feel like it could you elaborate on this please! And agreed, I also see myself as a spiritual Jew or one inwardly, circumcised of the heart! Yet Israel are the physical type, for example they were physically circumcised and are a picture of the believers who are spiritually circumcised...
  18. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    And I in turn may have painted you with too broad a brush and am reminded we are all capable of being carried away with the wind of others. Absolutely, just as I have the right to appreciate the starting point of Rabbinic Judaism which can hold certain truths and can be a hindrance or a...
  19. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    Yea and of course they are also afraid it will undermine the round earth, undermine the moon landing, and prove trump is one of the lizard people. I am not even going to put one foot into the rabbit hole, I can see what it does to people. Anyone can get a DNA test, but If or when Israel launch...
  20. Clayman

    Israel and the present conflict

    Fair enough, when I read a post I judge the intent of the poster more than the post, I know beekeeper appears to be on your side so you want to support him, but please read his posts carefully with a grain of salt, this argument has been around for years and there are warnings everywhere that...