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So what is it that seperates you from these over emotional decieved people whose God is their belly? Why doesn't everything you said apply to you as well? What exactly seperates you from them?

This is you adding your interpretation to scripture, that's not what it says. The whole "It could mean this, and it may mean that" is just you adding what you think it is to the text, that's not what it plainly says. You have to mold what it says to fit your ideas by adding extra words to...

Only one ignorant of the Holy Spirit can ask this. I fear there are many here that think they know Jesus and are born again, and they are not. I know what that's like personally and we cannot know these truths until God transforms us and opens our eyes to them. I have to assume those who talk so...

Who said it was guarnteed? I testify that one who has been transformed by the POWER of God cannot turn from Him. Not by my power, but by His, I'm saying that anyone saved in truth by the real life Creator of everything through His Son Jesus, can not walk away from Him. Maybe you can, but I...

The truth is that it's not the son that ran off and returned that is the real subject matter and focus of the parable. It's the older son. Jesus is telling the pharisees this parable, and it's the older son that was all "I've been here with you the whole time, serving you well with honor and...

Maybe you could, I couldn't.

Look, I agree with you 100% . I want to start with that so there is no misunderstanding about what I'm saying here. I do not believe we can lose the gift God gives us, it's not by our will or power we gain our salvation, it's the same with keeping it or losing it too. This said I can see how...

Thank goodness, for a LONG time this was just another thread with a bunch of people against a belief coming together to describe the belief and then "destroy" it without a single person that actually believes the opposite to be found. I just don't see much point in debating things with only one...

Man you are on a mission to prove that Gods power is weak and He can't keep us, that we can be snatched out of His hand, that He gives us to the Son just for some to turn around and walk away Him from later. I'm sorry man, but this seems the most important thing in your life to prove, the...

I disagree 100%, of course. I believe Jesus in Mat. 24 when He tells the disciples strait up that ALL THOSE THINGS would happen before that generation passed away and I reject the timelines, charts, dispensations, and gurus that you have to add to scripture to get to your point of view. I think...

No you didn't, none of those states clearly someone who was saved by God lost that gift, not one of them, so to say you listed 19 verses that prove we can lose salvation is NOT true. I don't want to say it's a lie, because you believe they do say that, but the FACT of the matter is not one of...

So basically, you're saying that the gates of hell prevail ALL over His word, ALL the time, right? If Gods word is so susceptible to corruption, then how can we even trust the KJV? You know there are mistakes in it too right?

This is very true, even the Hebrews 6 verse does not clearly state that a truly saved person lost their salvation, I don't believe we can "barely taste" salvation. We're born again or not. I have come to see that a LOT of this debate hinges on what the person thinks of the power of God. If a...

And guess what else "teacher"? No body is making the argument that God does that. That is your own close minded, biggoted, looney toon version of what you've been told about a belief, with your own warped personal bias sprayed on top. That is the biggest problem with talking to you and the CDSC...

So you're arguing that we do get glory? Or are you just completely dodging my VERY clearly stated main point? You focus on the 1 off sidebar point, but completely ignore the main point of my comment. My answer to your rebuttal- "I don't care what YOU think the rightly divided interpratation is"...

Doesn't it say something more like the one who is saved WILL endure to the end. The assumption that our endurance is of our own will and not a blessing from God that we point to when recognized for this endurance to say "this was ALL Him and by His power did I endure, ALL glory to Him". I don't...

So it's all up to the believers ability to "follow" well enough then? That is what you are saying, that "salvation" is really just being put on holy probation to test our ability to "follow" well enough. Sounds very works based to me.

You are the winner!!! I am Canada can go sit in the corner and think about how he messed up so bad.

72 degrees and Sunny.

It is possible we both know Him, of course, I hope I was clear in saying that I KNOW we cannot know other peoples salvation condition. However, I was stating that your understanding of the Spirit, and the things that the Spirit opens our eyes to the second we are born again, seems very off. They...