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  1. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    Seal 5 is the wrath of God or in this case the Lamb as well. It reads, And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy...
  2. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    I believe I explained how it was defining the nature of God which can be backed by further scriptures. I was answering it is not, to your highlighted part. As the way I read the way you framed or asked the question did not make sense to me. Which does not mean there was anything wrong with...
  3. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    We have to define tribulation I believe at this point. So we can define the tribulation and the great tribulation. The tribulation is a 7 year period per Daniels 70 weeks and the one week left also known as the time of Jacobs trouble. The tribulation is broke down into two periods of 3 and a...
  4. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    I like the question. Paul does bro. Don't wanna quote the whole thing but read Romans chapter 1 to get a picture and in Romans 2 he wraps up by pointing out how it all works in conjunction together. Romans 2:4-11 says, Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and...
  5. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    It is not. It is about God setting precedent or defining his nature. We know God has attributes or nature and it is impossible for him to go counter them. Such as lying it is impossible for him to lie. It is about the nature of our God. If we back up to Genesis 18 we find that when Abraham...
  6. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    Noah was not delivered he was saved. Noah went through and God kept him safe. Rapture or harpazo means to snatch away, seize up or catch up. We get our English word harpoon from the root. As it shows a picture of the suddenness and is no choice involved. Other places than I Thess this has...
  7. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    Same page so far....LOL Like I said my brother really do wanna hear your position on the rapture and even look forward to it. Which also I want to explain how I came to mine via the bible, the bible for both of is how we arrived at our positions. So I wanna show how I am connecting dots so if...
  8. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    Can so agree I convolute stuff enough for myself I need no help so line by line is the best approach for me....LOL So again I agree......LOL I have to say they are different and time was taken to point that out by Peter in the verses. Peter points out Noah was saved, he was kept, watched...
  9. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    I just typed out a two hour reply only to find out can't send replies over a 1000 words........LOL I am pretrib bro, just agree that Noah is not a good example or fitting based on scripture to a pretrib rapture. Would enjoy interacting and discussing our interpretation. However, so that I...
  10. stilllearning

    The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

    I would have to agree see no connection between Noah and a pretrib rapture. Christ said in Luke as it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot. Peter shows the distinction in II Peter2. Verses 5-9 says, 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a...