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  1. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    Correction, make that post #386
  2. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    I think that you should go back and read my original post, because it has nothing to do with what you are debating about. TooFastTurtle asked me, what I though about predestination and free will. I then provided the scriptures demonstrating that it is by God's Sovereign choice that people are...
  3. Ahwatukee

    Mystery Babylon

    Good day Nebuchadnezzer! I'm guessing that you made a typo above, for there is no woman mentioned in Revelation 1:7. That verse is "Look, He is coming with the clouds and every eye shall see Him, even those who pierced Him. And all peoples of the earth will mourn because of Him." Where are you...
  4. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    As I said in the previous post, that is not the point. The point is that, God is the One who did the choosing for salvation and that from before the world began. It has nothing to do with what Paul is quoting or not quoting. It is irrelevant! The point about Esau and Jacob is that Paul used it...
  5. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    How could believers from 2000 years ago and throughout the following centuries, go through the tribulation period? Since the tribulation, which is the period of God's wrath hasn't begun yet, how could all of those people who have died go through it?
  6. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    The whole point of what Paul was saying and the point I'm making is that, salvation is not obtained by doing good works, nor by God looking ahead to see who would believe and who wouldn't. But salvation is given to those whom God, by His Sovereign will, chose before the world began. It doesn't...
  7. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    It's not "Who" God's wrath will fall upon, but everyone who is left on the earth after the church has been gathered will be exposed to God's plagues of wrath. This is why Jesus continually tells believers to watch and be ready, so that day doesn't take us by surprise. Unlike Noah and Lot...
  8. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    Good day TooFast! This is one of those topics akin to OSAS, or annihilationism, which are volatile topics . In a nut-shell, I believe that salvation is by God's sovereign choice, which He made before the world began. I will state the reasons why and in no particular order. First we have the...
  9. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the...
  10. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    (Part I) I would truly be happy to. First of all, it is important to understand that the phrase "Day of the Lord" also referred to as "the hour of trial" the latter found in Rev.3:10, is not a day in length, nor is it an hour. It covers the entire seven years of the tribulation period, the...
  11. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    As I said, the entire time period is God's wrath/tribulation. The only scripture that states that Satan is full of anger is because he will thrown out of heaven. But it's during the time of God's wrath that this happens. The meaning of his time being short, is because he is cast out in the...
  12. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    By using the term "Satan's tribulation" tells me that you are simply repeating well know false apologetics. I have heard this and contended against this teaching many times. The scripture that you are referring to regarding Satan's wrath, is only reference to when he is cast out of heaven and...
  13. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    Did you read anything that I posted. I already gave you all of the related scriptures from post #363. However, here they are again: =================================================================================================== The gathering of the church When the Lord appears to gather the...
  14. Ahwatukee

    WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

    Just more false information! Of course those who take the mark will have bodies, for they will be people on the earth. The first death is the death of the body. At the resurrection which takes place at the great white throne judgment at the end of the millennial kingdom. At that time, the...
  15. Ahwatukee

    Mystery Babylon

    It is a little thick, but very informative. The pope's controlled kingdoms and their armies out of fear of being excommunicated. And they still want that authority and control back, which the coming antichrist will provide. I truly believe that one of the future pope's will play the part of the...
  16. Ahwatukee

    Mystery Babylon

    We must be long lost spiritual brothers o_O The Holy Spirit reveals the same truth to all who are diligently looking for it, yes? Yeah, I could never understand why those people try to make the United States out to be Babylon the Great, when as you mentioned, the scripture describes the woman...
  17. Ahwatukee

    The two Beasts of Revelation 13 Identified

    Scripture states that "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!" Scripture also states that there are Lord's many and gospels many. The pope believes in and teaches another Lord and another gospel. We can't...
  18. Ahwatukee

    Mystery Babylon

    I never said there was a city or great city mentioned in Revelation 12. So, I don't know why you mentioned that. What I did say is that, there are two woman mentioned, one in Rev.12 which is symbolically representing the nation Israel. And the woman of Rev.17 which is that great city who rules...
  19. Ahwatukee

    The two Beasts of Revelation 13 Identified

    I can tell you this though, garnered from the responses that I have read, the first beast/antichrist and the second beast/false prophet, are yet future and will be working together. When Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, both the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown...