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  1. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    The big U-Turn?! I would say that your claim is the big-U-turn. For the scripture says that we will meet the Lord in the air. Therefore, if you are saying that we do not go back to the Father's house in heaven, then after we meet the Lord in the air the entire church would be making a u-turn...
  2. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Hello Runningman, With all of the previous trumpets, each trumpet was sounded and immediately there was a resulting plague of wrath. It is not like that here at the 7th trumpet. After the 7th trumpet is sounded, there is first a pre-celebration regarding the resulting plague of wrath that...
  3. Ahwatukee

    9-year-old driver, 4-year old sister take car, crash with semi

    Thank God that they didn't get killed! What a story their parents will have to tell though.
  4. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Yes, you are correct. We are all subject to tribulation. However, the demise of the earth given in detail in the book of Revelation, which is why God made it known to us. Right in the very first verse God says: "The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must...
  5. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    I started off with the KJV and still refer to it. and I could show you problems in it. Why should I be concerned about singular and plural when I know who makes up the Godhead? Are you going to tell me to restrict myself to one translation? No thank you! I prefer the freedom to look at all of...
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    The second coming of Jesus

    Since Jesus already took upon himself God's wrath that every believer deserves, satisfying it completely, why He send through His wrath those who already have faith in Him, who have been credited with His righteousness and reconciled to God? Jesus said that believers would suffer trials and...
  7. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    h. to take from among the living, either by a natural death, John 17:15 (ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου take away from contact with the world), or by violence, Matthew 24:39; Luke 23:18; John 19:15; Acts 21:36; with the addition of ἀπό τῆς γῆς, Acts 22:22; αἴρεται ἀπό τῆς γῆς ἡ ζῶν αὐτοῦ, of a bloody death...
  8. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    They weren't ignorant. Noah had been preaching the word of God regarding the coming flood for a hundred years and they didn't believe him. The context shows that the ark was on the water, so those being taken away by the flood is accurate. I repeat, the 'one taken' group does not have...
  9. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    May the Lord reveal all of these mysteries to you. ============================================= As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day...
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    The second coming of Jesus

    If the living church was killed, then there wouldn't be any believers alive to be changed and caught up. It would just be resurrection of the dead.
  11. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Well, it can't be 'one is taken to a safe place' because as I said in the previous post, the 'one taken' is being compared to the wicked who were taken away in the flood. This demonstrates that the 'one taken' group are the wicked. So they would not be taken to a safe place, but are taken to be...
  12. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Hello again, Rev316, Sorry that I did not comment on that subject in the previous post. The first angel that swings his sickle over the earth is a harvest. However, what type of harvest it is and who is being harvested is not revealed. What we can deduce from this, is that it appears to be...
  13. Ahwatukee

    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    That is correct, but I corrected myself by mentioning 'full preterism.' I wasn't concerned about giving a complete description of this, because I didn't think that I was have this much contention over it. Therefore, for everyone who read that post, my aim was at 'full preterism.' That said...
  14. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Hello OrphanedRepublican, I have contended with this issue for many years regarding the 'one taken' group being taught as referring to the gathering of the church. However, if we take a closer look at the scripture, the 'one taken' group is being compared to the unrighteous who were taken in...
  15. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Hello Lucie, So, what do you disagree with from the above post?
  16. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Thankyou @Ahwatukee for answering my question. I tried to google it but as much as google is great it is also confusing. So many different answers. I was also thinking that none had occurred since we were not appointed to Gods wrath. btw, like my new name :) Yeah, Googling it as you found...
  17. Ahwatukee

    Hey

    Greetings and Welcome, Rach77. The more you use the site, the more you will get the hang of it. Look forward to seeing you out on the Forum.
  18. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    @Ahwatukee, you may have already mentioned this but just a question. Has any of the seals or trumpets happened yet and if so what are we up to. Thankyou :) Hello RubyTuesday :) In answer to your question, I believe that the first seal rider on the white horse is symbolically representing the...
  19. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Hello, OldSage, I don't believe that the term 'Second Coming' is found in scripture, but is derived from the scriptures which state that that the Lord is going to return to the earth again to end the age. This unfortunately is misinterpreted to include the gathering of the church, which are two...
  20. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Right on! And where Jesus is, would be in the Father's house and which as you said, He went to prepare places for us. I don't know why understanding this is so difficult for these guys. We have the Lord telling us that there are many dwelling places in His Father's house. And that He was going...