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Good comments and discussion. RE: Matt 18 - I world recon that that teaching is for all of us in attendance. I think Scripture is plain that we need each other to hold us accountable. One, to purify the bride, two, to set an example to the angles and world that we take seriously obediance to...

Scripture is clear. Matt 18 for starters. Love and reconciliation back to Jesus is always the goal. It should happen quickly lead by qualified Elders/Leadership, and follow the Word. If people will not submit, ask them to not come back to Church there. Acts 5:11 (NASB95) — 11 And great fear...

I find it interesting that 154 people have viewed this Poll and only 3 responded. Does that have some answers in it? One might assume that 150 have never seen Church Discipline in their Church, or maybe 150 - pastors have been afraid to answer the question? Ya some will have viewed it several...

At 77 and Churched all my life, I would like to run a Poll and see how many have been in a Church that exercised Church Discipline?

DON"T Ask yourself the question: How much MIGHT it cost if I drink beer? Note: I did NOT say, "How much might it cost ME? How much might it cost if your child said someday, Dad or Mom did it so it must be OK. Or So-And-So did it so it must be OK. The COST can be HUGE!

I disagree as well. PLUS I MIGHT ADD, SHEEPHERDING IS A 24-7-365 JOB. NO CAREER HOURS, SABBATICAL BENEFITS, RAW KNUCKLES WITH DIRT UNDER THE FINGERNAILS. READ 2 COR 11:22-28

I couldn't agree more BP. I feel that every pew sitter knows exactly what they want in a 'Pastor', but nothing in what God expects him to be. Illiterate Biblically. And so the circle turns.

You can tell where my daily readings are at. :) Here is the clear results of what happens with poor leadership, better put 'irresponsible leadership'. Judges 3:11-12 NASB 11 Then the land had rest forty years. And Othniel the son of Kenaz died. 12 Now the sons of Israel again did evil...

Your putting words in my mouth I did not say. But by what you say. God may have been judging them for a lot more than Covid. I'm sure you heard that the California Courts awarded Grace Community Church a nonguilty verdict and made Newsom pay their court fees. We have numerous examples of that in...

PS: Joshua 21:45 Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed; all came to pass.

Joshua 21: 44 NASB And the LORD gave them rest on every side, according to all that He had sworn to their fathers, and no one of all their enemies stood before them; the LORD gave all their enemies into their hand. I/we have all heard of Churches that did NOT bow the knee to the Liberal...

Yep I had a leader from a 1000+ Church CMA group tell me they were trying to figure out how to get half their people back. They should have stood against WHO and let God sort out the metrics.

Edify - You are bang on. The Major and Minor Prophets are clear about that. I went to Agriculture (Beef Production) in the late 60's. Sheep production would be very parallel. Our Veterinary Professor told us 1 thing that changed the course of my life. I'll paraphrase it. "Herd health is 80+...

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. 7 The more they multiplied, the more they sinned against Me; I will change...

Chaps - Thanks for your feedback. I'm glad to see that you agree with me. Or, at least your rendition confirms what I'm saying. As you say there are many "dropouts" after 3 years. When I was a kid in the 60's I saw the average pastor lasted about 3 years. That tells me that they went into the...

Pulpit Committees generally don't know what describes God's Pastoral Call looks like. I'm not interested the the Churches view of the Job Description unless it is clearly lined up with Scripture.

I came up with the 90% based on my age at 76 and the number of Churches we have attended, and the problems we have encountered while sitting on or chairing Church Boards. Your summary says nothing about the human "Why's" of a pastor's reasoning for his career choice. Read through the Major and...

I'm not going to engage in the "did you read it or not" game. If the man's heart is not in the passion to comune with the Creator of this World, then sit in the back row.

I agree with you. Most by far MOST pulpit committees have no clue. I think I said Eph 4:11-12 is a shepherd's job description. If a mam/shepherd is not consumed with his own personal learning of God's Word, I'm suspect. I'm really getting grumpy with leaders in Churches today. I call myself a...

JohnDB - and your church will be just like all the rest social functions. A Called Shepherd should fight against it for all he is worth and only God's pushing and insisting will force him into it. 90% are career ministers looking for a job.