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Thank you. I'm glad you are being intellectually honest with yourself by addressing verse 12, whether or not I agree. You have some interesting thoughts in there, though I don't have the resources to weigh them very carefully right now, and I don't feel a real calling to do so anyway. I might...

You aren't understanding what I said. You are taking the verse as an absolute statement-absolutely everyone who hasn't believed in Jesus is worthy of death. I don't, thinking it just wasn't worth noting an exception that wouldn't apply to anyone reading, and which would have cluttered and...

If you got a new roommate who just moved over from Oregon, does that mean you got an Oregon transplant? I'll show myself out.

I don't agree that any of those verses is saying we enter the world under condemnation. I can kind of see how you might get that from the verse in John if you read it in a very black and white manner, but the Bible is not modern legalese to expect it to carve out an exception for babies. In fact...

I still think you have an oversimplification there. Romans 5 seems to be arguing both sides, but clearly can't be. Maybe I missed it but I have yet to see you address verse 12 that says all men die BECAUSE they sin. I'm starting to think the significance of babies being under their parents'...

The errant doctrines were the suggestions that only Adam sinned, and that children in particular are unable to (though I think we have established that babies are another matter). Even if you meant 'children' by a different definition than I addressed, or that Adam's transgression of a...

Satan's rebellion (Revelation 12, Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:12-17) occurred before God made man. Satan after all appeared in the Garden of Eden as a serpent (Gen. 3, Rev. 12:9, 20:2). This is also why the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which represents deception was there. The...

A good point, though I believe it's more complicated. I wasn't looking to solve this puzzle, though. I simply wanted to make sure you all had the right pieces to try putting it together with. More importantly, I didn't want errant doctrine to go unaddressed.

Satan's rebellion. It wasn't part of the plan but a consequence.

As I said, very young babies may be a different matter.

I'm disappointed in you and am moving on.

Not going to get into everything, but children do sin. Very young babies may be a different matter, however, as they have yet to make any decisions.

Perhaps you need to look in the mirror then, Honey, because your statement doesn't even seem to make sense. I stated only a necessary part of the process that has become evident from many decades of following after God. What assumption could you possibly be accusing me of making now since you...

Look again. It specifically says in Romans 5:12 that all have sinned (See below). Verse 8 also suggests this. In fact other scriptures also point blank say it. Realize that there is a distinction being made in the chapter between sin and trespass. This is most evident in verse 14. You also need...

Then there is more for you to learn. Logic and reading the Bible passages are part of the process, but God must be actively included in the test or it becomes relying on our own understanding.

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Don't sweat it. God is looking for honesty and true relationship, not yes-men. The fact that you recognize that God's reasoning is beyond yours is sufficient. I do suggest straightforward telling Him how you feel and asking Him why He says and does things the way He does. He already knows where...

Sounds a little close to outright rejection of scripture there for my taste. And FYI, the verse didn't speak categorically, for there certainly is the conspiracy of Satan. Let me encourage you to seek God for the fullness of His meaning, though, and its application.

No, I didn't miss it. He gave his reasons and they didn't include testing. Rather he cited his own logic and interpretation of scriptures. It would be illogical and strange to have tested and not mentioned it in rebuttal. In trying to come to peace, he also later acknowledged that he had his...

Please continue this list of Bible Verses that modern Christians often miss. As always keep it loving. Ideally post verses that caught you off guard yourself.