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  1. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    You're right, that all some Bible prophecies have come true. But the Jews didn't always understand ahead of time, exactly what they referred to or when. At least not as regards to the prophecies about Jesus' birth, and about how Jesus would die on the cross for the world. I won't be...
  2. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    I respect your views, but I see this subject differently, according to the scriptures. Christians aren't able to agree on all spiritual doctrines - I can see that. But as always, the most important thing in life is to know the way of salvation and to be living according to it...
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    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Heaven doesn't need to change for the better - it's already perfect. So the newness referrred to must refer to it being new to us who haven't been there before, and Jesus said He was preparing a place for us there. John 14:2-3 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I...
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    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Yes, it says a new heaven and a new earth. The old earth and universe will have passed away. The heaven God lives in and that all true Christians are headed for, I believe, is here in this passage referred to in a symbolic sense, probably that in that it will be new to us, and it will be new...
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    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    I respect your views on this subject, but it is not what I see in the Bible on this subject. "Jerusalem" sometimes means the actual Jerusalem in Israel. Other times, it symbolically refers to God's spiritual kingdom here on the earth. The prophetic scriptures using the word, I believe...
  6. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    In a rebuttal, two things are required. One is to show the arguments of the opponent wrong. The second is to show the correct argument. You have not shown my statements to be wrong, and you provided only John 14:1-4 as proof that our Lord stays in heaven. I will let my previous arguments stand...
  7. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Yes, that passage you mentioned, and others in prophetic scriptures, often cause sincere true Christians to make erroneous interpretations of those scriptures of the Bible. As they are more difficult to understand, and so naturally are more difficult for Christians to agree on in all points...
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    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Yes, it's clear Jesus died and was buried in the cave that Joseph of Arimathea buried Him in. Yes the Bible uses various words modern people don't always readily understand, such as "heart" in the phrase, "heart of the earth." You mentioned some other verses I hadn't noticed the possible...
  9. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    I respect your views on the subject, but it is not what I see to be the case as described by the scriptures. Many true, sincere Christians are not able to agree on the meaning of the prophetic parts of the scriptures, because they are more difficult to understand. But the important thing is...
  10. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Yes, I do, but I see the "new earth" as referring to just a different place to live - and that as being in heaven with God. Rev 21:23-24 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And...
  11. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    I respect your views on this subject, but I sincerely understand the subject differently because of what I've seen in the scriptures on the subject. I am not willingly trying to nullify any of the Bible. The fact is that many sincere, true Christians aren't able to agree on the meaning of...
  12. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Interesting thought - hadn't thought of multiplying to end up with the number - 1000. However, though I respect your view on the millenium as to where it will take place - I don't see the scriptures - after comparing them on the subject - to be indicating that it will take place on earth, but...
  13. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    The passage below is an example of the fact that numbers in the Bible don't always mean a literal, exact number: 1 Cor 4:15 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. KJV
  14. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    si I respect your view that the reference to the 44,000 refers to just the Jews. But it is not what I see it to mean, when comparing scriptures on the subject. We - who sincerely serve Christ, are called, spiritually speaking - "Jews" - in a number of verses in the New Testament. Below is...
  15. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    I can agree with you that the devil will be cast into hell, after the end of the world, as the Bible says so. As will also all happen to all unbelievers. But I just don't feel able to see the 1,000 years to be referring to 1000 actual years here on earth, with Christ reigning. To me, it...
  16. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    I completely believe all of the scriptures. But the fact is that there are a great many sincere, true Christians - including myself, who are not able to agree with other sincere Christians, on all points of spiritual doctrine. If they are true, sincere, Christians, then they put high...
  17. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    I respect and agree with your concern about not trusting numerology above the scriptures that are more plain in what they are saying. But I see nothing wrong with assuming they may be relevant helps in illustrating the scriptures. It's true they aren't as easy to understand as the plainly...
  18. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Ok I've had time to study over what you said on Revelation, chapter 20, and have added my comments: Rev 20:1-21:1 Revelation 20 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (1) You said: . In that chapter an angel comes down...
  19. MyrtleTrees

    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    I respect your view, but it isn't what i see. I have observed that the prophetic parts of the Bible, have many symbolisms, which adds to the difficulty for many, in efforts to correctly understanding them. To me, it appears that eternity with God, is to be centered up in heaven, while this...
  20. MyrtleTrees

    Some sincere Christians think they have the gift of speaking in tongues

    Well, it's hard to know, since most sincere Christians, like myself, don't personally know anyone who claims to speak in tongues in private prayer times. So they have little way to examine their lives too. I listen a lot to an online preacher who happens to claim he speaks in tongues in...