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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    So then you say No correct ?
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Is there a corporate election ? Yes it is, the totality of the Body of Christ, men and women chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4, all chosen together at the same time. For the word corporate simply means: of, for, or belonging to a corporation or corporations: a...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Question here : Is it possible for sinners that Christ died for, for their sins to be forgiven by God while they're in a unbelieving and rebellious state, much like as Paul was as saul persecuting the Church ? Yes or No ?
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    According to Rom 5:9 ! 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Were believers Justified by Christ's Blood or by their believing /faith ? It cannot be both, for being Justified by His Blood is not our act of faith, and our believing is not...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    He finished the Work God gave Him to do ! 5 We looked at the scripture Isa 53:10 10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Eph 2:1-3 is all about the Elect see Eph 1:4
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    Salvation is for the Whole World

    Salvation is for the whole world of the Election of Grace!
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Thats the natural man. The natural man cannot understand the Gospel Spiritually, because it must be Spiritually discerned 1 Cor 2:14 the natural man doesnt have the Spirit of God.
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Again Salvation in Christ Jesus with eternal Glory is for the Elect, for them alone 2 Tim 2:10 10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Spiritually no they can't 1 Cor 2:14.
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Thats why he will be judged the more severely because when he heard the Gospel naturally he rejected it, didnt receive it and love of it 2 Thess 2:10-11 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Yes, he can understand it naturally just fine, but he cannot understand it Spiritually unto a Salvation conversion. In other words, when he understands it naturally he remains in a lost condition
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    One has the Spirit of God to give Spiritual discernment of the Spiritual things of God, and the other doesnt, they just have their natural discernment. See Spiritual things need to be Spiritually understood, thats why God gives some people the Spirit in order to do that. 1 Cor 2:12-14 12 Now...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Again Justification and Eternal Salvation are only for the Elect, all of them Isa 45:17,25 17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    It means what it says, he can't understand it spiritually because he is only natural. The natural man understands not the things of the Spirit of God, they are foolishness to him because they must be Spiritually discerned. Can't you read! 1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things...
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    He doesn't understand it spiritually.
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Of course he rejects it that is a symptom of not spiritually understanding it because he can't, he lacks the spiritual apprehension and ability.
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    I don't follow you. The natural man has no spiritual life and ability.
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Anyone with Spiritual understanding knows that only Gods elect are Justified, and were promised to be Justified Isa 45:25 In the Lord[Jesus Christ] shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. The seed of Israel is the elect out of every tribe and nation, not ethnic jews.
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    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    Tis you who denies the scripture my friend, for it plainly states that the natural man has no spiritual understanding of the things of God 1 Cor 2:14 we must be able to spiritually discern the things of God like the Gospel, but the natural man is dead to spiritual things, no life in him.