Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

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CS1 said:
Your thread is " Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit." Not the unpardonable sin. Unsaved is just that they are judged already as Jesus said in John 3:17-20. It was it was the Pharisees who said Jesus cast out devils by the power of the devil. Matthew chapter 12.

Jesus very clearly said what Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. And Jesus is the only one who spoke about a sin that will not be forgiven.
Therefore, whenever Jesus is speaking, he is the final authority on any to[ic when he speaks on it. FYI Night Twister is correct.
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Jesus absolutely defines the historical event in Matthew 12 - the Pharisees attributing His Holy Spirit‑empowered works to Satan. But Jesus Himself also explains the principle behind that event in other passages.

In John 16:8-9 He says the Spirit convicts the world of one sin: ""because they BELIEVE NOT on Me."" In John 8:24 He says the one sin that leaves a person to ""die in their sins"" is UNBELIEF. And in John 3:18 He says the UNBELIEVER is ""condemned already"" because he has not believed.

Matthew 12 shows the Pharisees committing the pattern of rejection - resisting the oly Spirit's testimony about Christ. John 16 & John 8 show the principle that applies to all people: the only sin that remains unforgiven is rejecting the Holy Spirit's witness (to be offered to ALL Jn 12:21) about Jesus until life's end.

So yes, Jesus is the final authority. And Jesus Himself says the Holy Spirit convicts the world of one sin (unbelief), that unbelief leaves a person to die in their sins & that unbelief is the reason a person remains condemned.

That's why the unforgivable sin is lifelong rejection of the Holy Spirit's testimony about Christ.
 
FlyingDove said:
Jesus absolutely defines the historical event in Matthew 12 - the Pharisees attributing His Holy Spirit‑empowered works to Satan. But Jesus Himself also explains the principle behind that event in other passages.

In John 16:8-9 He says the Spirit convicts the world of one sin: ""because they BELIEVE NOT on Me."" In John 8:24 He says the one sin that leaves a person to ""die in their sins"" is UNBELIEF. And in John 3:18 He says the UNBELIEVER is ""condemned already"" because he has not believed.

Matthew 12 shows the Pharisees committing the pattern of rejection - resisting the oly Spirit's testimony about Christ. John 16 & John 8 show the principle that applies to all people: the only sin that remains unforgiven is rejecting the Holy Spirit's witness (to be offered to ALL Jn 12:21) about Jesus until life's end.

So yes, Jesus is the final authority. And Jesus Himself says the Holy Spirit convicts the world of one sin (unbelief), that unbelief leaves a person to die in their sins & that unbelief is the reason a person remains condemned.

That's why the unforgivable sin is lifelong rejection of the Holy Spirit's testimony about Christ.
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that is not " Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit," That is the point. The term unpardonable sin is not biblical all sin is forgiven but one and that is one who knowingly speaks of the work of the Holy Spirit as the work of the devil.


which are you speaking on BOHS or the unpardonable sin?
 
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CS1 said:
that is not " Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit," That is the point. The term unpardonable sin is not biblical all sin is forgiven but one and that is one who knowingly speaks of the work of the Holy Spirit as the work of the devil.


which are you speaking on BOHS or the unpardonable sin?
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Jesus Himself defines the issue far more clearly than limiting it to the Pharisees' one sentence in Matthew 12.

Matthew 12 is a transformational event for Israel when the nation's leaders reject the Holy Spirit's witness about Messiah, triggering Jesus' shift from offering the kingdom to preparing for the cross.

But Jesus later gives the principle behind that event. In John 16:9 He says the Holy Spirit convicts the world of ONE sin - ""because they believe not on Me"". That's singular & Jesus names it: UNBELIEF!.

In John 8:24 He says the only people who ""die in their sins"" are those who believe not & in John 3:18 He says the unbeliever is ""condemned already"" because he has not believed.

Those three passages show that the Pharisees' blasphemy was simply the most hardened expression of the same UNBELIEF that condemns anyone who rejects the Holy Spirit's testimony about Christ.

Jesus defines the unforgivable sin as UNBELIEF, the lifelong refusal to believe the Holy Spirit's witness about Him, not merely one sentence spoken by the Pharisees.
 
FlyingDove said:
Jesus Himself defines the issue far more clearly than limiting it to the Pharisees' one sentence in Matthew 12.

Matthew 12 is a transformational event for Israel when the nation's leaders reject the Holy Spirit's witness about Messiah, triggering Jesus' shift from offering the kingdom to preparing for the cross.

But Jesus later gives the principle behind that event. In John 16:9 He says the Holy Spirit convicts the world of ONE sin - ""because they believe not on Me"". That's singular & Jesus names it: UNBELIEF!.

In John 8:24 He says the only people who ""die in their sins"" are those who believe not & in John 3:18 He says the unbeliever is ""condemned already"" because he has not believed.

Those three passages show that the Pharisees' blasphemy was simply the most hardened expression of the same UNBELIEF that condemns anyone who rejects the Holy Spirit's testimony about Christ.

Jesus defines the unforgivable sin as UNBELIEF, the lifelong refusal to believe the Holy Spirit's witness about Him, not merely one sentence spoken by the Pharisees.
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Jesus spoke on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and it is recorded in all the synoptic Gospels. the context of the statement by the Lord is what was said by the Pharisees. Equating the work of the Holy Spirit to the work of the devil. Reading into the text more than that is not proper biblical interpretation. IF disbelief is unforgiven, which all were in before the Holy Spirit enable one to believe how does anyone get saved? You have a dilemma. One hard stand causes a rippling effect. Those who come to Believe their sins are forgiven.

John 3:16-20 Romans 10:9-10
 
CS1 said:
Jesus spoke on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and it is recorded in all the synoptic Gospels. the context of the statement by the Lord is what was said by the Pharisees. Equating the work of the Holy Spirit to the work of the devil. Reading into the text more than that is not proper biblical interpretation.
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Well said.
 
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CS1 said:
Jesus spoke on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and it is recorded in all the synoptic Gospels. the context of the statement by the Lord is what was said by the Pharisees. Equating the work of the Holy Spirit to the work of the devil. Reading into the text more than that is not proper biblical interpretation. IF disbelief is unforgiven, which all were in before the Holy Spirit enable one to believe how does anyone get saved? You have a dilemma. One hard stand causes a rippling effect. Those who come to Believe their sins are forgiven.

John 3:16-20 Romans 10:9-10
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CS1, I’ve presented my position as clearly as I can & you have articulated your position as well. At this point it's clear we're approaching the passages from two different frameworks & further back‑and‑forth isn't likely to move either of us closer to agreement. I'm content to leave it there & simply agree to disagree. May His grace be multiplied to you and yours. FD
 
FlyingDove said:
CS1, I’ve presented my position as clearly as I can & you have articulated your position as well. At this point it's clear we're approaching the passages from two different frameworks & further back‑and‑forth isn't likely to move either of us closer to agreement. I'm content to leave it there & simply agree to disagree. May His grace be multiplied to you and yours. FD
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I am just responding to the thread topic. no problem. I am not trying to get you to agree with me but show those who are here another biblical perspective and consideration. God bless you too.
 
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CS1 said:
I am just responding to the thread topic. no problem. I am not trying to get you to agree with me but show those who are here another biblical perspective and consideration. God bless you too.
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Frameworks.
 
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FlyingDove said:
Matt 12:31 Jesus said; All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
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blasphēmia - slander.
KJV: blasphemy, evil speaking, railing
NASB: blasphemy, blasphemies, slander, blasphemous, abusive language, railing, slanders. Slandering the Holy Spirit knowingly brings permanent unforgiveness because they knew the truth & did it anyway.
The scribes & pharisees knew exactly what they were doing & it didn't matter to them.
Paul said he did it, but in ignorance & unbelief he did it, so he was forgiven.(1 Timothy 1:13)
Those who do so ignorantly in unbelief can be forgiven.

Many slander today because everybody else does it = ignorance.
When Jesus said these words, He was letting the accusers know they were condemned.
 
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Edify said:
The scribes & pharisees knew exactly what they were doing & it didn't matter to them.
Paul said he did it, but in ignorance & unbelief he did it, so he was forgiven.(1 Timothy 1:13)
Those who do so ignorantly in unbelief can be forgiven.
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May I ask a simple clarification based on your statement? Jesus says in Matthew 12:32, ""whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."" If that is the only unforgivable sin, then what becomes of the countless people who reject Christ's sacrifice & deny His resurrection throughout their entire lives, yet never attribute His works to Satan or blaspheme the Holy Spirit? Are they forgiven by default? I'm asking this to understand the basis of your framework.
 
FlyingDove said:
May I ask a simple clarification based on your statement? Jesus says in Matthew 12:32, ""whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."" If that is the only unforgivable sin, then what becomes of the countless people who reject Christ's sacrifice & deny His resurrection throughout their entire lives, yet never attribute His works to Satan or blaspheme the Holy Spirit? Are they forgiven by default? I'm asking this to understand the basis of your framework.
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that is was explained by Jesus they were condemned already. meaning loss in sin and if they die in them, they receive the judgement for sin. There is a reason why Jesus is the only person in the bible that said, "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit." He is the only one to judge it. No person in the word of God is ever recorded saying "You have blasphemed the Holy Spirit."
 
FlyingDove said:
May I ask a simple clarification based on your statement? Jesus says in Matthew 12:32, ""whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."" If that is the only unforgivable sin, then what becomes of the countless people who reject Christ's sacrifice & deny His resurrection throughout their entire lives, yet never attribute His works to Satan or blaspheme the Holy Spirit? Are they forgiven by default? I'm asking this to understand the basis of your framework.
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Please understand.... blaspheming the Holy Spirit willingly will make you unforgiven IMMEDIATELY. Other sins may cause God to turn you over to a reprobate mind.
Romans 1:18 King James Bible
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
These have to know the truth in order to hold back the truth in unrighteous. They have to know what they're holding back.
Then these verses:
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

These verses totally nullify OSAS, because some backsliders don't come back.... they don't want to.
REPROBATE -
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and dokimos
Definition
not standing the test, rejected
NASB Translation
depraved (1), disqualified (1), fail the test (2), rejected (1), unapproved (1), worthless (2).
A good example... those who fall away are already reprobate.
 
Edify said:
Please understand.... blaspheming the Holy Spirit willingly will make you unforgiven IMMEDIATELY. Other sins may cause God to turn you over to a reprobate mind.
Romans 1:18 King James Bible
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
These have to know the truth in order to hold back the truth in unrighteous. They have to know what they're holding back.
Then these verses:
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

These verses totally nullify OSAS, because some backsliders don't come back.... they don't want to.
REPROBATE -
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and dokimos
Definition
not standing the test, rejected
NASB Translation
depraved (1), disqualified (1), fail the test (2), rejected (1), unapproved (1), worthless (2).
A good example... those who fall away are already reprobate.
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Thank you for the response, but this still doesn't address the question I asked. My question was specifically about the basis of your framework. If Matthew 12 is the only unforgivable sin, then what becomes of the countless people who reject Christ's sacrifice & deny His resurrection throughout their entire lives, yet never commit the Matthew 12 accusation? Are they forgiven by default?

Romans 1 describes moral decline & God giving people over to their desires, but it does not say these individuals are unforgivable or that they committed the Matthew 12 sin.

Jesus Himself teaches that unbelief results in condemnation (John 3:18) & dying in one’s sins (John 8:24) & that the Holy Spirit convicts the world of unbelief (John 16:9). So I'm simply trying to understand how your framework accounts for those who die in unbelief without ever blaspheming the Holy Spirit in the Matthew 12 sense.
 
CS1 said:
that is was explained by Jesus they were condemned already. meaning loss in sin and if they die in them, they receive the judgement for sin. There is a reason why Jesus is the only person in the bible that said, "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit." He is the only one to judge it. No person in the word of God is ever recorded saying "You have blasphemed the Holy Spirit."
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Matthew 12 records a specific moment in which the religious leaders deliberately reversed the Holy Spirit's testimony about Christ by attributing His divine works to Satan, which Jesus identifies as speaking against the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31–32; Mark 3:30). But this event is not the entire doctrine; it is one historical expression of a larger biblical principle.

Jesus teaches that the true basis of condemnation is final unbelief: the one who does not believe (John 3:18), those who refuse to believe will die in their sins (John 8:24) & the Holy Spirit convicts the world of one sin - because they believe not on Me (John 16:9). When these passages are taken together, the framework becomes clear: the unforgivable sin is not only a single sentence spoken in the 1st century, but the final, hardened rejection of the Holy Spirit's testimony about Christ, resulting in dying in unbelief. And it is fair to say that many will stand at the Great White Throne having been offered Christ repeatedly, yet choosing their own way-some wealthy, self‑sufficient, or simply uninterested in anything they associate with religion-people who never once blasphemed the Spirit in the Matthew 12 sense, yet still die in unbelief. Matthew 12 shows unbelief in its most extreme form; John 3, John 8 & John 16 explain the universal principle behind it.

This also explains why Scripture never limits the unpardonable sin to the Pharisees' specific accusation in Matthew 12. The larger biblical pattern shows that people perish not because they uttered a particular sentence, but because they persistently reject the Holy Spirit's witness to Christ until death. Jesus describes those who are invited yet uninterested, absorbed in their own pursuits & unwilling to come (Luke 14:16–24). He warns of those who trust in wealth and self‑sufficiency, saying in their hearts, “I have need of nothing,” yet remain spiritually blind (Revelation 3:17). He speaks of the rich who find it difficult to enter the kingdom because their confidence rests in themselves rather than in God (Mark 10:23–25). These individuals may never have blasphemed the Spirit in the Matthew 12 sense, yet they still die in unbelief - the very condition Jesus says leaves a person condemned (John 3:18) & still in their sins (John 8:24). Scripture consistently presents the unpardonable sin as the final, hardened rejection of the only One who can save.

If I could edit the heading now, I would - because the whole purpose of this post was never to stir debate, but to comfort believers who fear they've committed the unforgivable sin. I've watched sincere Christians on multiple forums confess Christ, testify of His work in their lives & still tremble that they may have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. That's why this post was resurrected. The goal was to point them back to Scripture & reassure them that those who believe in Christ cannot commit the unforgivable sin. The heart of this post is simple: to lift burdens, not create new ones; to clarify Scripture, not weaponize it & to remind every believer that the only unforgivable sin is dying in unbelief & they have no need to live fear. Best wishes. FD
 
Thank you OP.. but you have to know this is so debated and just say what it "really" is. Just one view "The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a willful, determined opposition to the present power of the Holy Spirit". And a believer can do this? Some say no some say yes. Just because one may not believe this.. so what that personal belief does not equal truth. To know "do not grieve the holy Spirit" avoid actions, attitudes, and speech that contradict God’s character, such as bitterness, anger, malice, and lying. Grieving the Spirit means causing Him sorrow, often through unkindness and disunity. Its why I always say "sweet sweet Holy Spirit".

So its the deceiving our self's we do. Well if I say "we can't blasphemy the holy spirit and I will prove it to you by posting scriptures' and then tell you what they "really" mean what Jesus really meant". See my personal belief protects me from every doing it. Not true.. its just deceiving your self. Don't believe ask Him.. not that hard He is in us and He talks more then we ever do.. we do not listen.

Many believers have made fun of attacked with words other groups, ministers that the sweet sweet holy Spirit moves in, through and by. Its their personal belief (can't be or its not blasphemy) that saves or protects them. Some are blind.. they really don't understand what they are doing others as in believers in Jesus Christ know exactly what they are saying and don't care.

I don't hold one belief on this. I'd say if you have to ask "did you do it?" then no you didn't. You would not be asking. I do hold do "most are blind". They do not know Him.. never asked the Father for Him. (that it'll be good lol)
 
NightTwister said:
The unforgiven sin is attributing to Satan miracles performed by the Holy Spirit.
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And in so doing, calling the Holy Spirit an unclean spirit, which is the blasphemy.

Let me ask you . . . do you think people can commit this sin today? Or was it only referring to those who witnessed His miracles?

Do you think this relates to

Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV
4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Much love!
 
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markss said:
And in so doing, calling the Holy Spirit an unclean spirit, which is the blasphemy.

Let me ask you . . . do you think people can commit this sin today? Or was it only referring to those who witnessed His miracles?

Do you think this relates to

Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV
4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Much love!
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I believe God still performs miracles today, although I also believe He usually works through ordinary means. Attributing what appears to be a miracle to Satan, even if you question it's validity is dangerous ground even today.
 
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I believe God still performs miracles today, although I also believe He usually works through ordinary means. Attributing what appears to be a miracle to Satan, even if you question it's validity is dangerous ground even today.
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I consider that it was the Jewish leaders who were so intent on discreditting Jesus that the denied the miracles so others wouldn't follow Him.

I do agree with you, irreverence for the things of God is not a good Path.

Much love!
 
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