Some thoughts on the Jews

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Seeker47 said:
Sorry my response as been slow, life intervenes!

First, "Jews" have been condemned by Christians throughout history. It became acceptable under Constantine and has continued uninterrupted since then. This hatred has ebbed and flowed but has always been present. We now appear to be going through a period of increasing antisemitism, especially here in he US. Some hatred has been outright while some more subtle. You will not need to look hard to find "Christians" who believe all Jews have been condemned to hell because a few have not yet embraced our Savior as they should.

Yes I was referring to replacement theology. This is the idea that the "Jews" have denied Christ, so they are no longer God's people. The privilege of being God's people has now been transferred to the Christian Church. "Christians" are now god's people and have inherited all the promises and covenants God originally gave to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This idea voids God's covenants and makes Him a liar.

I am aware my comments will be viewed as radical and seen as confrontational. This is an issue that once you see it, you cannot understand how you failed recognize it earlier. Look at our high schools, our college campuses, and the wide spread and ignorant support for the Philistines (Palestine) in the US. If this does not create a shudder in your soul, be very concerned.

I too rejoice that there are fewer barriers between believers. I just want to include all believers who put their faith in YHWH. We can then fully rest in the righteousness of Jesus.
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There is zero barriers, if all are in Christ. Praise Him! :)

-"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),"
Galatians 3:13 NKJV
-"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, TILL the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator."
Galatians 3:19 NKJV
-"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
Galatians 3:24-25 NKJV
 
TruthDefender said:
I’ve never heard of replacement theology, but in part, the NT teaches us that God’s people are now Christians and not Jews. We are spiritual Jews, circumcised in the heart and not in the flesh. We are considered children of Abraham, through Isaac, because of the blood of Christ.

However, there is a caveat, we are only His IF we do His will.
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Doing YHWH's will has been the requirement since Abraham.
 
If the middle wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles has been removed, must Gentiles become Jews to receive all the promises of God?

Perhaps another way of asking this is:

What promises of God are not found in Christ?
 
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Aaron56 said:
If the middle wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles has been removed, must Gentiles become Jews to receive all the promises of God?

Perhaps another way of asking this is:

What promises of God are not found in Christ?
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None, Christ said He could do nothing on his own but could only do the will of His Father.
 
Seeker47 said:
None, Christ said He could do nothing on his own but could only do the will of His Father.
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So, in order to receive all the promises in Christ, as a co-heir of the promises, one must also become a Jew?

For example, if one wants to be included on the deed to the land grant of modern Israel, must one become a Jew in the flesh and live like a Jew?

Conversely,

If a Jew finds freedom in Christ and discovers his name on the deed to all of creation must he renounce his natural lineage in order to receive the right to rule over all of creation and not just the small parcel in the middle east?
 
Aaron56 said:
So, in order to receive all the promises in Christ, as a co-heir of the promises, one must also become a Jew?

For example, if one wants to be included on the deed to the land grant of modern Israel, must one become a Jew in the flesh and live like a Jew?

Conversely,

If a Jew finds freedom in Christ and discovers his name on the deed to all of creation must he renounce his natural lineage in order to receive the right to rule over all of creation and not just the small parcel in the middle east?
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My post is directly from John 5:19. I find no contradiction anywhere in scripture.

I don't know anything about becoming a Jew and living like one. I know even less about deeds and grants; either to Israel or to "all creation."

Jesus told us we are to worship in "Spirit and Truth".
 
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Aaron56 said:
If the middle wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles has been removed, must Gentiles become Jews to receive all the promises of God?

Perhaps another way of asking this is:

What promises of God are not found in Christ?
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He promised Abraham land, nation, and Seed. All those things already came about. We have the promise of eternal life and being His heirs, if we do His will.
 
Aaron56 said:
So, in order to receive all the promises in Christ, as a co-heir of the promises, one must also become a Jew?

For example, if one wants to be included on the deed to the land grant of modern Israel, must one become a Jew in the flesh and live like a Jew?

Conversely,

If a Jew finds freedom in Christ and discovers his name on the deed to all of creation must he renounce his natural lineage in order to receive the right to rule over all of creation and not just the small parcel in the middle east?
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-"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),"
Galatians 3:13 NKJV

-"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, TILL the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator."
Galatians 3:19 NKJV

-"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
Galatians 3:24-25 NKJV
 
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TruthDefender said:
He promised Abraham land, nation, and Seed. All those things already came about. We have the promise of eternal life and being His heirs, if we do His will.
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So Abraham did not live like a foreigner in the earth awaiting a city built by God?

"By faith he (Abraham) dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God."

And the Gentiles Peter wrote to in his first letter... they were not a nation?

"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy."

Isn't it interesting how, like Abraham, the Gentiles in 1 Peter also traversed the earth as foreigners in a strange land...

"Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims..."
 
Aaron56 said:
So Abraham did not live like a foreigner in the earth awaiting a city built by God?

"By faith he (Abraham) dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God."

And the Gentiles Peter wrote to in his first letter... they were not a nation?

"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy."

Isn't it interesting how, like Abraham, the Gentiles in 1 Peter also traversed the earth as foreigners in a strange land...

"Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims..."
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Land, nation, and Seed was already fulfilled, Him being the Seed. We are now living under the NC.
 
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