Loss of salvation???
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1 Cor 2:14
But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Just like the reformed/calvie/tulip folks, the water works/deeds/fruit/works folks cannot understand the things of the Spirit.
What ever you wish...
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children.
For what children are not disciplined by their father?
If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—
then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all." Hebrews 12:7-8
BTW:
You should see how the authorized KJV worded that one.
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But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all.
6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. 2Cor2:5&6
Looked chastisement up in the dictionary, punishment
Oh yeah, your response wasn't personal. Look in the mirror a few times a day.
Never perish.
No CONDEMNATION.
Nothing will separate us from the LOVE of Christ.
I love believers according to His word and encourage believers according to His word........Hate is loss of /walking away/forfeiting HIS salvation.
Who has "hate?" Not me. I would NEVER tell a believer that they are not really saved or could lose/forfeit/walk away from HIS salvation. To say otherwise is the EPITOME of hate.
All men live by what they believe, that's why they do what they do. That is what I was talking about. Believing is something we do, faith requires the word of God, that is something He does. You lumped faith and belief together and said neither led to salvation. What am I suppose to make of that? There is what a man believes and there is biblical faith, the two are not always the same thing.
It's ok. @Cameron143 doesn't want to answer my question regarding TULIP anyway so I shall assume from now on he adheres to all five points.
In future I suggest, rather than saying he adheres to Reformed/Calvie/TULIP doctrine just stick with saying he adheres to TULIP. Until he denies it we can only guess that is his position.
It's ok. @Cameron143 Until he denies it we can only guess that is his position.
It is not a guess anymore. He Is a full on reformed/calvie/tulip theory advocate. Basically, the same crap I was in for 10 years........But none of us know about any of that theory or NONSENSE.
Of course you would.
And I have no doubt that you have no idea what MANY are talking about.
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
The natural man/the natural believer has no clue of the rudimentary principles of God.
They have dunk tanks/potlucks/smoke machines/gossip tables/safe zones/fruit and work parties.
So your saying since I follow HIS word on how to get rid of our sins I'm a natural man and I don't have a clue about JESUS and HIS word.
Since I did get baptized in JESUS name in obedience to HIS word and JESUS did fill me with the Holy Ghost and I have been working for HIM am I still a natural man and Hell bound?
Are you the mater of HIS word and I guess you are the one to ask about it if I have questions?
In Eph which baptism are they refering to?
1. Water where sins are washed away?
2. The Holy Ghost when JESUS fills someone they will speak in tongues?
Please use scripture to back it up.
3. Has JESUS filled you with the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4.
You were discussing re who killed Jesus.
I don't know what the above has to do with that.
I like to believe that since Jesus died for all mankind...
then all mankind is responsible for His death since we all sinned.
1 John 2:2
2 and He Himself is the [a]propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
I mentioned that the Sanhedrin brought Jesus to trial...
an unlawful trial at that....
THEY handed Jesus over to the Roman government because they could not put Him to death
due to the Passover.
I don't see a response to this but a scripture that you believe SEEMS to not support your claim,,,but does not,,,
UNLESS you could explain it.
The pastors are preaching the truth.
Usually adults go to church....it's unfortunate if they cannot hear the truth.
IF mankind HAD NOT SINNED....
Jesus' death would have been unnecessary.
For as the one man brought death....ADAM
The last man brough life.....JESUS
1 corinthians 15:45
God does not leave His creation without hope.
ALL men are able to come to belief in God....not only the Hebrews, Israelites, Jews.
Romans 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
HOW are is the Gentile saved?
Man has always been saved by faith.
So this is about Sola Fide...why not just state that??
I agree with you re the gospel.
The gospel is the good news of salvation.
Sinful man will be saved through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Through BELIEF in Him.
Jesus said what is needed to be saved:
John 3:3,5
3 Jesus responded and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born [c]again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Do we need to obey Jesus AFTER salvation?
If so, what, if anything, did Jesus command?
Maybe He didn't command anything.
Was He mistaken when He said we are to feed the hungry?
Was He mistaken when He said we must be lawful...which means to follow His law?
Matthew 25
Matthew 7
Please post the ad hominum.
Thanks.
JESUS was objective.
Here is what Jesus taught:
We are to behave in a certain way:
Matthew 5:7-9
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
13 “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how [d]can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by people.
16 Your light must shine before people in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness far surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be answerable to the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘[k]You good-for-nothing,’ shall be answerable to [l]the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the [m]fiery hell.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves to be sons of your Father who is in heaven;
That's only Matthew 5
There's much more.
And here is what Jesus stated would happen to those that DO NOT ACT on His words:
Matthew 7:26-27
26 And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not [v]act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 And the rain fell and the [w]floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and its collapse was great.”
Those who do NOT ACT on the words of Jesus are like foolish men.
Their house is built on sand an NOT ON THE ROCK.
The floods came and the house fell.
And great was its fall.
IF you ever have anything to say that refers to theology...
I will reply.
BTW,,,
We MUST obey God.
Revelation 21:27
27 and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those [t]whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
The unclean do not obey God.
They are lawless.
Jesus said that He does not know the lawless:
Matthew 7:23
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
Jesus will tell the LAWLESS: Get away from Me,,,,I never knew you.
Jesus makes the rules...
not you
not me
Yes.
I've noticed the following:
A presence of persons that are unable to use scripture to support their position.
They attack a person instead of refuting their statement.
Tiny comments that are irrelevant and of no consequence in a serious dicussion.
Yes,,,children playing with theology.
